If you have any questions about the 2009/10 SPT (Sky Poker Tour) Post them in THIS thread, please. All questions will be answered, though sometimes it may take a day or two. Fire away. Posted by Tikay10
I've just realised that the Luton dateclashes with the birth of my child & the DTD date is on my wedding anniversary. I'm sure my wife will understand.....
Hi I'll ask the question before anyone else. Why has the buy-in been nearly doubled and the number of seats reduced to only top 3. As i see it the qualifiers will have to be 1 in 10 at £10 a time(i know there will be less expensive satellites). This was the same numbers for the WSOP qualifiers and the consensus was that Sky were a little disappointed with the take up on those. I do hope that wont be the case with the SPT, and i will be trying again. col Posted by mr_mbro
O i didnt see the seats were worth £100... Personally the increase in value doesnt bother me personally, BUT PLEASE MAKE IT 1 IN 5 SATELITES Like Col says 1 in 10 is very tough and the reason why many people didnt do the vegas satelite (although i can understand thta the veags should be 1 in 10) But the SPT is not about the best players on the site to play its the community, This is going to be in high demand and will be alot of good players, so for the less experienced to qualify through a 1 in 10 will be VERY hard, and may put a bit of a dampner on it..
P.S top 3 winnign a seat to grand final seems abit harsh as well :-( I thought the top 10 seemed to work well. It still leaves 150 seats to be won through satelites/buyins
In Response to Re: SPT 2009/10 - Post your Questions here, please. : O i didnt see the seats were worth £100... Personally the increase in value doesnt bother me personally, BUT PLEASE MAKE IT 1 IN 5 SATELITES Like Col says 1 in 10 is very tough and the reason why many people didnt do the vegas satelite (although i can understand thta the veags should be 1 in 10) But the SPT is not about the best players on the site to play its the community, This is going to be in high demand and will be alot of good players, so for the less experienced to qualify through a 1 in 10 will be VERY hard, and may put a bit of a dampner on it.. Posted by FlashFlush
Hi Charles, I agree with every word you say m8, there has been a lot of unrest lately, on hear, so i see this as a way for Sky to win back the feelings of the players. Like you the price doesnt worry me but this has been waited for by everyone and we. the players who took part last year, have made such a song and dance about it, i really hope it goes well. col
Hi I'll ask the question before anyone else. Why has the buy-in been nearly doubled and the number of seats reduced to only top 3. As i see it the qualifiers will have to be 1 in 10 at £10 a time(i know there will be less expensive satellites). This was the same numbers for the WSOP qualifiers and the consensus was that Sky were a little disappointed with the take up on those. I do hope that wont be the case with the SPT, and i will be trying again. col Posted by mr_mbro
Hi Col,
Ok, bear with me, this is a bit lengthy, but I'd like to answer it properly.
Why has the buy-in doubled from £50 to £100?
I don't know, but I could hazard a few guesses.
There is no reason that because it was £50 last year, that should set in stone forever. It's just their second Tour, they are fine-tuning it. I guess they thought it would double the Prize Pools - no bad thing! - & it "fitted" our Target Market better.
It brings a little financial/commercial gain to Sky Poker, of course, but in relative terms, not much. In straight financial terms, ignoring the value of increased brand-awareness & profile raising, the Tour costs a hefty 5 figure sum to run. The bulk of that is pure (financisl) loss, or, put another way, it's part of the Annual, budgeted, Sky Poker Promotional spend. Which has increased by a double digit % in the current financial year, over last year.
But they are spending that Budget different ways this year. Everyone wants a slice of that Budgeted Promotional spend - the SPT, those who argue constantly for more Freerolls (ever worked out how much they cost?!), the TV Channel, Tourney Guarantees, Monthly Promotions, cash for Points, some new things which will be announced soon, & a hundred other things.
It's a subjective decision, & they may be wrong, & you may be right. But ultimately, a doubling of Seat Values means a doubling of Prize Pools. Which are contributed by, & belong to, the players.
Why "only" 3 Grand Final Seats per Event are being awarded to each leg this year? (It was 10 last year).
Same answer as above, really, it's just trying to find ways to slice the "promotional spend cake" as fairly, & as effectively, as possible, I would guess.
It's added value in my book, which is something I have campaigned hard for in the poker industry for some years now. Yes, it's less than last year, but the Promotional spend-per-player across Sky Poker has increased considerably. It's hard to keep everyone happy, even so. But added value is added value, & I can't knock them foir that, whether it goes up or down.
A good, & fair, question, Col, & I hope you find the answer satisfactory.
We (the Players, & Sky Poker) won't always agree on all these things, but the intent is good, so thats cool.
How's the good loady? Make sure she qualifies, I need to chat with her!
In Response to Re: SPT 2009/10 - Post your Questions here, please. : O i didnt see the seats were worth £100... Personally the increase in value doesnt bother me personally, BUT PLEASE MAKE IT 1 IN 5 SATELITES Like Col says 1 in 10 is very tough and the reason why many people didnt do the vegas satelite (although i can understand thta the veags should be 1 in 10) But the SPT is not about the best players on the site to play its the community, This is going to be in high demand and will be alot of good players, so for the less experienced to qualify through a 1 in 10 will be VERY hard, and may put a bit of a dampner on it.. P.S top 3 winnign a seat to grand final seems abit harsh as well :-( I thought the top 10 seemed to work well. It still leaves 150 seats to be won through satelites/buyins Posted by FlashFlush
Yes - 10 seats worked well - but cost a shed-load of money!
The Tour HAS to be financially sustsainable, & I'd rather they spent their money sensibly, than say "OK, we can't afford to give the guys everything, let's cancel the Tour".
1 in 5 SAtellites? - that's one for Sky Bernie, sorry, I can't answer that. But Bernie knows the score.
I'm gonna go play the 7pm Deepie, the 7.30 Deepie, & the 9pm jobbie, so I won't be able to answer any more questions for a few hours, or even, possibly, until tomorrow.
Please keep the questions coming, but be patient.
Thanks.
PS - If it's possible, (this is to all players, generally, not Col) keep the questions to this Thread please, rather than grill me via the Poker Table Chat Box - I can answer better, & more folks see the replies, on here. Thanks.
I'm gonna go play the 7pm Deepie, the 7.30 Deepie, & the 9pm jobbie, so I won't be able to answer any more questions for a few hours, or even, possibly, until tomorrow. Please keep the questions coming, but be patient. Thanks. PS - If it's possible, (this is to all players, generally, not Col) keep the questions to this Thread please, rather than grill me via the Poker Table Chat Box - I can answer better, & more folks see the replies, on here. Thanks. OK, I'm off to play some pokerrrrrrrrrr! Posted by Tikay10
Thanks for the quick responses as always Tikay :-) ... I will start a thread for a plea to Mr Bernie for 1 in 5 seats ...
Well done on your cash at DTD great to see you sat AT the tables not around it with a microphone!!! Goodluck tonight, hope your luck continues
In Response to Re: SPT 2009/10 - Post your Questions here, please. : Hi Col, Ok, bear with me, this is a bit lengthy, but I'd like to answer it properly. Why has the buy-in doubled from £50 to £100? I don't know, but I could hazard a few guesses. There is no reason that because it was £50 last year, that should set in stone forever. It's just their second Tour, they are fine-tuning it. I guess they thought it would double the Prize Pools - no bad thing! - & it "fitted" our Target Market better. It brings a little financial/commercial gain to Sky Poker, of course, but in relative terms, not much. In straight financial terms, ignoring the value of increased brand-awareness & profile raising, the Tour costs a hefty 5 figure sum to run. The bulk of that is pure (financisl) loss, or, put another way, it's part of the Annual, budgeted, Sky Poker Promotional spend. Which has increased by a double digit % in the current financial year, over last year. But they are spending that Budget different ways this year. Everyone wants a slice of that Budgeted Promotional spend - the SPT, those who argue constantly for more Freerolls (ever worked out how much they cost?!), the TV Channel, Tourney Guarantees, Monthly Promotions, cash for Points, some new things which will be announced soon, & a hundred other things. It's a subjective decision, & they may be wrong, & you may be right. But ultimately, a doubling of Seat Values means a doubling of Prize Pools. Which are contributed by, & belong to, the players. Why "only" 3 Grand Final Seats per Event are being awarded to each leg this year? (It was 10 last year). Same answer as above, really, it's just trying to find ways to slice the "promotional spend cake" as fairly, & as effectively, as possible, I would guess. It's added value in my book, which is something I have campaigned hard for in the poker industry for some years now. Yes, it's less than last year, but the Promotional spend-per-player across Sky Poker has increased considerably. It's hard to keep everyone happy, even so. But added value is added value, & I can't knock them foir that, whether it goes up or down. A good, & fair, question, Col, & I hope you find the answer satisfactory. We (the Players, & Sky Poker) won't always agree on all these things, but the intent is good, so thats cool. How's the good loady? Make sure she qualifies, I need to chat with her! Posted by Tikay10
H Tony The good loady is laughing her head off at the mo. She wont to be able to make most of them, as she works most Saturdays, but i do hope she can get to one with me, as long as she doesnt kick my bum lol. Thanks for the detailed reply. col
Am I right in thinking that you can not buy into a regional game, but you will be able to buy into the grand final? Or a meringue? Posted by gazscoop
I don't know, as I stated yesterday, to be honest.
The position to my knowledge is....
1) For Legs 1 to 5, it is planned to be Qualification by Super-Satellites on SkyPoker.com only.
2) For the Grand Final, I don't know - it all depends on Venue Capacity, & how many Seats are won via Satellite I assume. I would assume - for now - that it's Online Qualification only.
The Tour Manager may know better than me on this, if so, once he gets his Forum Alias sorted, he will comment as appropriate.
In Response to Re: SPT 2009/10 - Post your Questions here, please. : Correct Posted by FlashFlush
Hi I'm not sure. There is nothing in the blog to suggest that it will be like last year and that you will be allowed into the final by buying in. My thoughts are that like last year Sky will wait until the last leg has sold out, to anounce that decision. Why, well put yourself in their shoes, if they say now you can buy into the final, how many of us would do any of the first 5 legs. col
Sorry **Puts sock in mouth** .. Just ASSUMED it would be same as last yr. Actually prefer online qualification for main event to stop such a large amount of non sky players entering... Maybe when the satelites start to 'dry up' when most players have qualified then the remaining seats (if any are left) could be bought.... Let wait and find out
hi Just to say i do agree with not releasing details of the final. Why, well im a great fan of the community feel of this site and we should take part in the first 5 legs and if the "better or more well off" players dont take part then we are losing out on things. I might go so far as to say that, after last year, when the field had a lot of no Sky players in it, i would make part of the qualification that you have had played on the site(not just register) and have taken part in at least one of the qualifiers(any satellittes). A bit draconion but hey ho. col
In Response to Re: SPT 2009/10 - Post your Questions here, please. : Hi I'm not sure. There is nothing in the blog to suggest that it will be like last year and that you will be allowed into the final by buying in. My thoughts are that like last year Sky will wait until the last leg has sold out, to anounce that decision. Why, well put yourself in their shoes, if they say now you can buy into the final, how many of us would do any of the first 5 legs. col Posted by mr_mbro
In Response to Re: SPT 2009/10 - Post your Questions here, please. : hi guys, this is all set up so hopefully we should see Rich on here soon. look out for 'SPT' - coming to a thread near you. Posted by Sky_Rich
hi Just to say i do agree with not releasing details of the final. Why, well im a great fan of the community feel of this site and we should take part in the first 5 legs and if the "better or more well off" players dont take part then we are losing out on things. I might go so far as to say that, after last year, when the field had a lot of no Sky players in it, i would make part of the qualification that you have had played on the site(not just register) and have taken part in at least one of the qualifiers(any satellittes). A bit draconion but hey ho. col Posted by mr_mbro
Thats very fair comment Col.
But let's look at that a little wider.
Yeah, we all want it to be just "us", of course we do.
But - and I'm being being purely hypothetical here - what if by "opening it up" to a degree, the Prize Pool was, say, doubled, & we got the chance to play with a few Pros, such as Julian Thew?
Julian - he only lives round the corner from DTD - would have played the DTD Grand Final this year had it not clashed with Vegas.
As an aside, we are also hoping - not wholly set up yet, but it's in the plan - to have a few Pros at each Leg.
Sky Poker take the view, & so do I, that it's kinda neat for our players to get the chance to play with a few of the big boys now & then.
These issues are rarely 100% clear-cut.
But Sky Poker will try to do what they think is right by their Players - it would not make commercial sense to do anyrthing else. But agreeing what the players want is an altogether different kettle of fish!
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col
I'm sure my wife will understand.....
P.S top 3 winnign a seat to grand final seems abit harsh as well :-( I thought the top 10 seemed to work well. It still leaves 150 seats to be won through satelites/buyins
I agree with every word you say m8, there has been a lot of unrest lately, on hear, so i see this as a way for Sky to win back the feelings of the players.
Like you the price doesnt worry me but this has been waited for by everyone and we. the players who took part last year, have made such a song and dance about it, i really hope it goes well.
col
Ok, bear with me, this is a bit lengthy, but I'd like to answer it properly.
Why has the buy-in doubled from £50 to £100?
I don't know, but I could hazard a few guesses.
There is no reason that because it was £50 last year, that should set in stone forever. It's just their second Tour, they are fine-tuning it. I guess they thought it would double the Prize Pools - no bad thing! - & it "fitted" our Target Market better.
It brings a little financial/commercial gain to Sky Poker, of course, but in relative terms, not much. In straight financial terms, ignoring the value of increased brand-awareness & profile raising, the Tour costs a hefty 5 figure sum to run. The bulk of that is pure (financisl) loss, or, put another way, it's part of the Annual, budgeted, Sky Poker Promotional spend. Which has increased by a double digit % in the current financial year, over last year.
But they are spending that Budget different ways this year. Everyone wants a slice of that Budgeted Promotional spend - the SPT, those who argue constantly for more Freerolls (ever worked out how much they cost?!), the TV Channel, Tourney Guarantees, Monthly Promotions, cash for Points, some new things which will be announced soon, & a hundred other things.
It's a subjective decision, & they may be wrong, & you may be right. But ultimately, a doubling of Seat Values means a doubling of Prize Pools. Which are contributed by, & belong to, the players.
Why "only" 3 Grand Final Seats per Event are being awarded to each leg this year? (It was 10 last year).
Same answer as above, really, it's just trying to find ways to slice the "promotional spend cake" as fairly, & as effectively, as possible, I would guess.
It's added value in my book, which is something I have campaigned hard for in the poker industry for some years now. Yes, it's less than last year, but the Promotional spend-per-player across Sky Poker has increased considerably. It's hard to keep everyone happy, even so. But added value is added value, & I can't knock them foir that, whether it goes up or down.
A good, & fair, question, Col, & I hope you find the answer satisfactory.
We (the Players, & Sky Poker) won't always agree on all these things, but the intent is good, so thats cool.
How's the good loady? Make sure she qualifies, I need to chat with her!
The Tour HAS to be financially sustsainable, & I'd rather they spent their money sensibly, than say "OK, we can't afford to give the guys everything, let's cancel the Tour".
1 in 5 SAtellites? - that's one for Sky Bernie, sorry, I can't answer that. But Bernie knows the score.
I'm gonna go play the 7pm Deepie, the 7.30 Deepie, & the 9pm jobbie, so I won't be able to answer any more questions for a few hours, or even, possibly, until tomorrow.
Please keep the questions coming, but be patient.
Thanks.
PS - If it's possible, (this is to all players, generally, not Col) keep the questions to this Thread please, rather than grill me via the Poker Table Chat Box - I can answer better, & more folks see the replies, on here. Thanks.
OK, I'm off to play some pokerrrrrrrrrr!
Well done on your cash at DTD great to see you sat AT the tables not around it with a microphone!!! Goodluck tonight, hope your luck continues
The good loady is laughing her head off at the mo. She wont to be able to make most of them, as she works most Saturdays, but i do hope she can get to one with me, as long as she doesnt kick my bum lol.
Thanks for the detailed reply.
col
Or a meringue?
The position to my knowledge is....
1) For Legs 1 to 5, it is planned to be Qualification by Super-Satellites on SkyPoker.com only.
2) For the Grand Final, I don't know - it all depends on Venue Capacity, & how many Seats are won via Satellite I assume. I would assume - for now - that it's Online Qualification only.
The Tour Manager may know better than me on this, if so, once he gets his Forum Alias sorted, he will comment as appropriate.
I'm not sure. There is nothing in the blog to suggest that it will be like last year and that you will be allowed into the final by buying in. My thoughts are that like last year Sky will wait until the last leg has sold out, to anounce that decision.
Why, well put yourself in their shoes, if they say now you can buy into the final, how many of us would do any of the first 5 legs.
col
this is all set up so hopefully we should see Rich on here soon.
look out for 'SPT' - coming to a thread near you.
Just to say i do agree with not releasing details of the final.
Why, well im a great fan of the community feel of this site and we should take part in the first 5 legs and if the "better or more well off" players dont take part then we are losing out on things.
I might go so far as to say that, after last year, when the field had a lot of no Sky players in it, i would make part of the qualification that you have had played on the site(not just register) and have taken part in at least one of the qualifiers(any satellittes).
A bit draconion but hey ho.
col
But let's look at that a little wider.
Yeah, we all want it to be just "us", of course we do.
But - and I'm being being purely hypothetical here - what if by "opening it up" to a degree, the Prize Pool was, say, doubled, & we got the chance to play with a few Pros, such as Julian Thew?
Julian - he only lives round the corner from DTD - would have played the DTD Grand Final this year had it not clashed with Vegas.
As an aside, we are also hoping - not wholly set up yet, but it's in the plan - to have a few Pros at each Leg.
Sky Poker take the view, & so do I, that it's kinda neat for our players to get the chance to play with a few of the big boys now & then.
These issues are rarely 100% clear-cut.
But Sky Poker will try to do what they think is right by their Players - it would not make commercial sense to do anyrthing else. But agreeing what the players want is an altogether different kettle of fish!