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What do you do in this spot and why?
AyrGraeme
Member Posts: 271
| hardman07 | Small blind | £0.25 | £0.25 | £69.81 | |
| essentia12 | Big blind | £0.50 | £0.75 | £61.32 | |
| Jibbz | Sit out | ||||
| Your hole cards |
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| honestdave | Call | £0.50 | £1.25 | £16.35 | |
| genie444 | Call | £0.50 | £1.75 | £25.43 | |
| AyrGraeme | Raise | £2.50 | £4.25 | £47.50 | |
| hardman07 | Fold | ||||
| essentia12 | Call | £2.00 | £6.25 | £59.32 | |
| honestdave | Call | £2.00 | £8.25 | £14.35 | |
| genie444 | Call | £2.00 | £10.25 | £23.43 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| essentia12 | Check | ||||
| honestdave | Check | ||||
| genie444 | Check | ||||
| AyrGraeme | |||||
Comments
b/c or value. Im trying to think if I ever b/f here but probably not.
I think it's a check all day long for the following reasons:
1. Either way ahead or way behind
2. Control the pot v anyone with 5
3. I think I can only get 2 streets of value v KJ K/10 K/9 and more likely to get the 2 streets if you show weakness on the first (and you only need 2 streets anyway to get all the chips off the shorter stacks)
4. I can prob only get one street of value v pp and possibly 2 if I show weakness
5. I lets rag hands catch up a bit and very few rag hands are going to catch up and beat me on that board. 2 pair hands can't catch me excpet the Kx hands where x is 6+ and they are likely to call anyway on flop. The only risks are runner runner hands for straights flushes or a pp spiking the house with 2 outer
6. The potential profits letting someone catch up is +EV compared to potential losses being runner runnered
The reasons given so far I see no reason not to leave it to the turn and get the same outcome.
2. meh, maybe, certainly wouldnt be my biggest concern
3. possibly, depends on villain and dynamic. If they are limpcalling these hands you might well get 3 streets, and I think if you lead you nearly always get 2 streets from Kx
4. Probably true. However if you check you might miss value if a bigger card comes
5,6 are true
There is certainly merit to checking, especially ip when 2 of villains are shorty limpcallers. I like it a lot less in a hu pot, as I find people love to spew on these boards, and they are more likely to do it on flop. Also the shorties may shove stuff like 77 if you bet flop
Think a check here is just asking to be outdrawn by anyone of these rag aces )
If someone has come along with a 5 then whatever
You still may get a lot of value from a KQ - BET BET BET )
In Response to Re: What do you do in this spot and why?:
1. Agreed - but points 5 + 6 lean me towards saying it is on this occasion2. It's not a concern I'm calling any turn and river bets
3. I can still get 2 streets the only way I want 3 streets is if the bigger stak has the KQ KJ K10. Possibly but not probable.
4. I agree with this but there are more smaller cards so I am playing the % and fair chance you can still get one street of value if something like a 10 falls
If the shorties are going to shove 77 on flop they will also and possible more likely shove on turn
Thanks for the post some very good points
Can't be outdrawn by a rag ace bud - check my hole cards again
I can still get all the chips from KQ form 2 out the 3 players by checking.
If you bet - Kings will call
If you check - Kings will bet, underpairs may bet
I guess either is ok, but I am just betting here thinking I can easily get value from another player who is holding a K or underpair if there pre action is so dam STATION !
Good post
what dudeskin said!
its a b/ call off for me, vs two shorties anyway
Im not saying i wont ever check this board, because sometimes i might. But vs poor players im always betting.