how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney

biggunsme

blind		7000.00	7000.00	534835.00
Fitz833	Big blind		14000.00	21000.00	120692.00
	Your hole cards	10 K
biggunsme	Call		14000.00	35000.00	133473.00
texastom07	Fold
Fitz833	Check
Flop
		7 K 4
Fitz833	Check
biggunsme	Bet		14000.00	49000.00	119473.00
Fitz833	Call		14000.00	63000.00	106692.00
Turn
		7
Fitz833	Check
biggunsme	All-in		119473.00	182473.00	0.00
Fitz833	All-in		106692.00	289165.00	0.00
biggunsme	Unmatched bet		12781.00	276384.00	12781.00
Fitz833	Show	7 10
biggunsme	Show	10 K
River
		8
Fitz833	Win	Three 7s	276384.00		276384.00

PiAnOpLaYa

100% dont call, either raise or fold.

I dont even mind an all in.

Once you have called you need to bet the flop bigger

YOUNG_GUN

Raise or fold pre dont call, actually im shoving in this spot

Batkin88

Why would you move all in??? He has called your flop bet with something wether it be top pair (could be any kicker) or second pair (which your losing to) or a flush draw / str8 draw. So 2 out of three your behind in my eyes.
Raise pre if you want to play i dont like the shove because your getting called by any king with a better kicker and not much worse so you will be shoving knowing your behind if your called and at best racing against a low pp or a rag ace. (Although majority of players on this site will say a shove is good here, i just don't agree but thats my opinion)

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

Why would you move all in??? He has called your flop bet with something wether it be top pair (could be any kicker) or second pair (which your losing to) or a flush draw / str8 draw. So 2 out of three your behind in my eyes. Raise pre if you want to play i dont like the shove because your getting called by any king with a better kicker and not much worse so you will be shoving knowing your behind if your called and at best racing against a low pp or a rag ace. (Although majority of players on this site will say a shove is good here, i just don't agree but thats my opinion)
Posted by Batkin88

I do

K10 with 10 bigs on the button is standard shove really, they can only call with 15-20% of the hands so its profitable, if you run into Ace x its still not always a call depending on the villain. we are shoving primary to win the blinds and if your called your not going to be in too bad a shape with K10suited you wont find much better opportunities

DOHHHHHHH

easiest shove pre ever

jakally

Shove please.

Don't try and play poker 10BB's deep.

Batkin88

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : I do K10 with 10 bigs on the button is standard shove really, they can only call with 15-20% of the hands so its profitable, if you run into Ace x its still not always a call depending on the villain. we are shoving primary to win the blinds and if your called your not going to be in too bad a shape with K10suited you wont find much better opportunities
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i think you will find there not suited lol i understand the shove i just don't like it i still believe you can play normally until 6 - 8 bb's deep in tournaments but that is how i play as opposed to the consensus of the forum

jakally

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

Why would you move all in??? He has called your flop bet with something wether it be top pair (could be any kicker) or second pair (which your losing to) or a flush draw / str8 draw. So 2 out of three your behind in my eyes. Raise pre if you want to play i dont like the shove because your getting called by any king with a better kicker and not much worse so you will be shoving knowing your behind if your called and at best racing against a low pp or a rag ace. (Although majority of players on this site will say a shove is good here, i just don't agree but thats my opinion)
Posted by Batkin88

Say you only get called by any Ace, any pair, or a better King.... you are still about 38% against this range.

Plus you get a  lot of folds, where  you will pick up the blinds. (it's quite possible you will get some better hands to fold, as people often don't like to call it off with small pairs, rag aces, even KJ).

If you raise and one of the blinds shoves, what are you going to do? Fold?

debdobs_67

I was railing this after goin out in 9th (mini main event b/h) and imo and it seems most others as well ya really shoulda shoved pre here , fitz was a pretty tight player and went on to win this tourny so i reckon a shove pre woulda got him to fold , if so then who knows ya may of lasted longer , wp anyway it was a great final table xxx

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : Say you only get called by any Ace, any pair, or a better King.... you are still about 38% against this range. Plus you get a  lot of folds, where  you will pick up the blinds. (it's quite possible you will get some better hands to fold, as people often don't like to call it off with small pairs, rag aces, even KJ). If you raise and one of the blinds shoves, what are you going to do? Fold?
Posted by jakally

Spot on but worded soo much bettter then mine

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i think you will find there not suited lol i understand the shove i just don't like it i still believe you can play normally until 6 - 8 bb's deep in tournaments but that is how i play as opposed to the consensus of the forum
Posted by Batkin88

ok still dont make much difference suited or not mis-read ftw

DOHHHHHHH

Batkin I know it's your opinion n all that, but honestly how do you do so well in tournys on sky if you don't shove in spots like this?

I could ask that of like 10 names off the top of my head, they always go deep, and have good records, but some of the stuff I see them do makes me feel like crying.

Does the lack of antes really make THAT MUCH difference????

Maybe I need to change my strategy!!!!!

biggunsme

thanks all, debdobs u see on final table wen the fella in the bottom left shoved with his last 52k and tex called well i folded and i had pocket 2s would of hit quads if id of just called there id of 600k lol my bad think i shud of called even to c flop

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

thanks all, debdobs u see on final table wen the fella in the bottom left shoved with his last 52k and tex called well i folded and i had pocket 2s would of hit quads if id of just called there id of 600k lol my bad think i shud of called even to c flop
Posted by biggunsme

Post hand please and we shall discuss if thats ok

biggunsme

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : Post hand please and we shall discuss if thats ok
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

ok fella

Batkin88

I just don't see why you would need to shove, just think back to how many times u have been dumped out of a tournament when your trying to steal blinds.
I prefer to be the player picking off hese players who shove with any 2 in these posistions and double up, and i don't think that 10bb's isn't enough to play with i could comfortably sit for a few more orbits on 10bb's and pick the best hand and perform a few squeezes or posistion shoves where i know i won't get called and slowly build back up chip stack

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

I just don't see why you would need to shove, just think back to how many times u have been dumped out of a tournament when your trying to steal blinds. I prefer to be the player picking off hese players who shove with any 2 in these posistions and double up, and i don't think that 10bb's isn't enough to play with i could comfortably sit for a few more orbits on 10bb's and pick the best hand and perform a few squeezes or posistion shoves where i know i won't get called and slowly build back up chip stack
Posted by Batkin88

Are you going to find a better opportunity to 'position shove' than this?

The lower your stack, the more likely you are to get called, so this is a better spot to shove KTo w/10xbb than wait 2 orbits and shove with 8xbb??

Also this looks like it's 3 handed? what kinda hand are you waiting for??

Batkin88

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : Say you only get called by any Ace, any pair, or a better King.... you are still about 38% against this range. Plus you get a  lot of folds, where  you will pick up the blinds. (it's quite possible you will get some better hands to fold, as people often don't like to call it off with small pairs, rag aces, even KJ). If you raise and one of the blinds shoves, what are you going to do? Fold?
Posted by jakally

A raise would remove these hands aswell and yes in some circumstances if the raise is the correct amount you can fold to a shove. Like i have stated i do understand the reason for shoving and that is what is encouraged on sky poker which isn't incorrect but it isn't the only way of playing and a player. And in this circumstance a raise would of removed this hand aswell.

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

I just don't see why you would need to shove, just think back to how many times u have been dumped out of a tournament when your trying to steal blinds. I prefer to be the player picking off hese players who shove with any 2 in these posistions and double up, and i don't think that 10bb's isn't enough to play with i could comfortably sit for a few more orbits on 10bb's and pick the best hand and perform a few squeezes or posistion shoves where i know i won't get called and slowly build back up chip stack
Posted by Batkin88

Level right? its unopened button, im jamming Q10/J10 in this spot. I agree as no antes 10 isn't always the magic number on sky but generally its still the same especially at the end of tournaments when people try to ladder you want to be pushing them around and what not. ok no need to be silly but K10 is well above the avearge hand and we are shorthanded have 10 bigs ideal opportunity to shove.

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney:

In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : A raise would remove these hands aswell and yes in some circumstances if the raise is the correct amount you can fold to a shove. Like i have stated i do understand the reason for shoving and that is what is encouraged on sky poker which isn't incorrect but it isn't the only way of playing and a player. And in this circumstance a raise would of removed this hand aswell.
Posted by Batkin88

Raise fold with 12bb< is very bad!!