I would be waiting for spots such as sitting in SB with two limps before or holding anything higher than k 10 tbh k 10 is not in my range in tournaments unless very deep and its a hand i always get into trouble with. Button shoves are look like steals so you are getting called lighter aswell e.g KQ KJ A T A9 or any ace suited. I prefer to steal from one before the button as it looks so much stronger than the button or hitting the blinds heavy with any two. For the record i wouldn't shove with 88 or any pp below either. You can steal them blinds here and yes you will have another 15%- 20% to your stack or you can pick the right spot get it in win 50% on top of your stack and not have to see a flop. (I am not waiting for hands i would be waiting for better value spots)
Poker is a very simple game as long as you stick to a few basic rules.
Rule 1) Preflop(with any hand) Raising= Good Folding=Good Limping= Bad. Rule 2) Always have a reason for everything that you do. With this hand your entire reasoning seems to be to hope that you hit the board well and anyone else in the hand to hit it as well but not quite as well as you and so will pay you off.
At these blind levels and with your stack size blind stealing needs to be a big part of your game with it being about a 15% increase available.A 2x or 3x raise pot commits you which really leaves you with min raise, shove or fold.Normally a minraise is a pointless and stupid thing to do but at high blind levels it comes into its own as a powerful move.
KT is a marginal hand to try to play down the streets whilst 10bb deep against an opponent who could have ATC.So in a nutshell raise or fold and never ever limp(unless trying to induce).
In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : A raise would remove these hands aswell and yes in some circumstances if the raise is the correct amount you can fold to a shove. Like i have stated i do understand the reason for shoving and that is what is encouraged on sky poker which isn't incorrect but it isn't the only way of playing and a player. And in this circumstance a raise would of removed this hand aswell. Posted by Batkin88
I'm ok with raising, and calling a shove, but it's pretty spewy to raise / fold with 10bb stacks. It's just burning chips.
But like you say, there isn't only one way of playing, and you are clearly having success with the way you play.
In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : I'm ok with raising, and calling a shove, but it's pretty spewy to raise / fold with 10bb stacks. It's just burning chips. But like you say, there isn't only one way of playing, and you are clearly having success with the way you play. Posted by jakally
Is that in general? or with this hand in this spot?
KTo isn't strong enough to induce with right, unless the BB is insanely agro, and even then it's not strong enough???
Just as an aside, what size stack would you induce and raise/fold with in this spot on sky without antes? When does it go from raise-fold/raise-call, to just open shove iyo?
What's the worst hand you would induce with against a competent BB in the above scenario, or even when folded you you in the BB?
In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : Is that in general? or with this hand in this spot? KTo isn't strong enough to induce with right, unless the BB is insanely agro, and even then it's not strong enough??? Just as an aside, what size stack would you induce and raise/fold with in this spot on sky without antes? When does it go from raise-fold/raise-call, to just open shove iyo? What's the worst hand you would induce with against a competent BB in the above scenario, or even when folded you you in the BB? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
If the bb is competent I think you should be shoving with 100% of your opening range to balance your range.
In regards to dohhhhh i would rather hit with 3 behind as your hand looks stronger than a button shove which is standard so to speak, i fully understand all the reasoning behind why your shoving here but 10bb's to me is a very playable stack i would happily sit with 10bb's and would not start these plays until 6-8 bbs as i am comfortable playing with these stack sizes. I guess thats what it comes down to in the end i don't really play cash unless really bored so i have tournament play i stick to but all advice is taken on board and very helpful i just don't feel shoving with K T is ever getting called by less than k T so if you do it 5 times and get away with it 3 times your still out of cashing in one tournament and if i make this move and get called by KQ KJ A T or better i wouldn't be happy with my play
In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : If the bb is competent I think you should be shoving with 100% of your opening range to balance your range. Posted by yb
Doesn't it depend on stacks though? You cant open shove 25xbb, you can't raise/fold or call 4xbb......
So what I'm asking is where's the cut off on sky without antes?
So obv ur either shoving everything or raise - call/folding everything......
The range of hands you do it with is still gonna be the same, just the stack size is the variable....?
In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : Is that in general? or with this hand in this spot? KTo isn't strong enough to induce with right, unless the BB is insanely agro, and even then it's not strong enough??? Just as an aside, what size stack would you induce and raise/fold with in this spot on sky without antes? When does it go from raise-fold/raise-call, to just open shove iyo? What's the worst hand you would induce with against a competent BB in the above scenario, or even when folded you you in the BB? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I don't raise call, but what I mean is, if that is Batkin's way of playing I can llive with it.
I wouldn't try and induce with any hand from a 10BB stack. If I start varying raise sizes, in relation to hand strength, I may as well turn my cards face up.
In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : Doesn't it depend on stacks though? You cant open shove 25xbb, you can't raise/fold or call 4xbb...... So what I'm asking is where's the cut off on sky without antes? So obv ur either shoving everything or raise - call/folding everything...... The range of hands you do it with is still gonna be the same, just the stack size is the variable....? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
oh i thought you were asking what hands would you raise/call and what hands would you just open shove with 10bb's. When I'm on the button I normally start to raise/fold with like 14/15 bb's.
In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : oh i thought you were asking what hands would you raise/call and what hands would you just open shove with 10bb's. When I'm on the button I normally start to raise/fold with like 14/15 bb's. Posted by yb
Ok so if you have 14/15xbb, whats the worst hand you will raise/call off with against a competent big blind, if the BB has...
a)15xbb
b)40xbb
c)80+xbb
......?
Thats what I meant by raising to induce, raising with the intention of calling a shove....?
shove pre. I dont think you can raise/fold with a K in your hand. I dont hate just raising a normal size though, especially if you havent shoved yet with this kind of stack
In Response to Re: how should i of played this hand at this stage or tourney : Ok so if you have 14/15xbb, whats the worst hand you will raise/call off with against a competent big blind, if the BB has... a)15xbb b)40xbb c)80+xbb ......? Thats what I meant by raising to induce, raising with the intention of calling a shove....? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
idk some reads would be nice, but assuming the BB is good then I'd have a calling range of something like 33+,A2+,KJo+,KTs+ to a 3bet shove assuming I minraised, but I don't play many tournies at all so this could be really bad. whenever I've played on sky though the blinds are normally pretty nitty so you could raise/fold something like A6o with 15bb's and feel pretty happy about it.
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I prefer to steal from one before the button as it looks so much stronger than the button or hitting the blinds heavy with any two. For the record i wouldn't shove with 88 or any pp below either. You can steal them blinds here and yes you will have another 15%- 20% to your stack or you can pick the right spot get it in win 50% on top of your stack and not have to see a flop.
(I am not waiting for hands i would be waiting for better value spots)
Rule 1) Preflop(with any hand) Raising= Good Folding=Good Limping= Bad.
Rule 2) Always have a reason for everything that you do. With this hand your entire reasoning seems to be to hope that you hit the board well and anyone else in the hand to hit it as well but not quite as well as you and so will pay you off.
At these blind levels and with your stack size blind stealing needs to be a big part of your game with it being about a 15% increase available.A 2x or 3x raise pot commits you which really leaves you with min raise, shove or fold.Normally a minraise is a pointless and stupid thing to do but at high blind levels it comes into its own as a powerful move.
KT is a marginal hand to try to play down the streets whilst 10bb deep against an opponent who could have ATC.So in a nutshell raise or fold and never ever limp(unless trying to induce).
In regards to dohhhhh i would rather hit with 3 behind as your hand looks stronger than a button shove which is standard so to speak, i fully understand all the reasoning behind why your shoving here but 10bb's to me is a very playable stack i would happily sit with 10bb's and would not start these plays until 6-8 bbs as i am comfortable playing with these stack sizes. I guess thats what it comes down to in the end i don't really play cash unless really bored so i have tournament play i stick to but all advice is taken on board and very helpful i just don't feel shoving with K T is ever getting called by less than k T so if you do it 5 times and get away with it 3 times your still out of cashing in one tournament and if i make this move and get called by KQ KJ A T or better i wouldn't be happy with my play