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Analysis Please?

GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Mini B/H 460 runners, was 90/130. Was new to table so no reads. Was aware str was poss but was getting short and a double-up was more important to me. I know I'm a serial limper but would 1200 got him off pre?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
milkman90 Small blind  150.00 150.00 11830.00
ODIERIP Big blind  300.00 450.00 7705.00
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • K
     
flydevil Fold     
Glenelg Raise  600.00 1050.00 3410.00
-LEON- Fold     
AM_HERE Call  600.00 1650.00 8375.00
milkman90 Fold     
ODIERIP Call  300.00 1950.00 7405.00
Flop
   
  • K
  • A
  • 10
     
ODIERIP Check     
Glenelg Bet  975.00 2925.00 2435.00
AM_HERE Call  975.00 3900.00 7400.00
ODIERIP Fold     
Turn
   
  • 4
     
Glenelg Check     
AM_HERE Bet  1200.00 5100.00 6200.00
Glenelg All-in  2435.00 7535.00 0.00
AM_HERE Call  1235.00 8770.00 4965.00
Glenelg Show
  • 10
  • K
   
AM_HERE Show
  • Q
  • J
   
River
   
  • 8
     
AM_HERE Win Straight to the Ace 8770.00  13735.00
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Comments

  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    Open shove FTW.

    As played shove turn, standard cooler.
  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited July 2011
    yeah with your stack it's a fold or a shove
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited July 2011
    I'd fold pre here tbh

    if your going to play shove, on flop your never getting away even if you know they have a straight
  • BigBlusterBigBluster Member Posts: 1,075
    edited July 2011
    Fold pre. Shoving pre is wrong. You have little fold equity against the other stacks and will get called almost certainly in a BH. I'd shove with it on the button or if folded round to SB but it just isn't strong enough from your position, in my opinion.
    You can still go a couple of rounds before you HAVE to shove. I find that people often move too soon in these situations.
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Analysis Please?:
    Fold pre. Shoving pre is wrong. You have little fold equity against the other stacks and will get called almost certainly in a BH. I'd shove with it on the button or if folded round to SB but it just isn't strong enough from your position, in my opinion. You can still go a couple of rounds before you HAVE to shove. I find that people often move too soon in these situations.
    Posted by BigBluster

    Thanks guys.  You're prob right about moving too soon.
  • CodexCodex Member Posts: 211
    edited July 2011
    i dont think its too soon - 11BB is getting low with the blinds coming soon - you will be under 10 next time you get the button - for me this partly depends on your image, if you have been tight, this could get through, if you've been shoving a fair bit already, prob best to pass this one - i know new to table, but generally speaking

    Its shove pre or fold tho imo

    BB has a little over double your stack so it will hurt him to call and lose - SB is wider but has to worry about BB so may not want to call too light - if you wait too long, people will snap call due to the small percentage of their chips at risk and the value of the bounty
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited July 2011
    ^^ that is very true if you havent played a hand for couple of rounds and you think your opponents have noticed then i would shove

    also agree you can wait another round really for a better open spot preferably in late position, would be a snap shove if on button for me here marginal CO, all depends on your image and your opponents
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    Increase stack by 11.25%, not even a decision for me. Folding here is playing scared money imo.
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited July 2011
    shove pre imo. Fold is good aswell. But once flop lands defo get it in. VUL
  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,410
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Analysis Please?:
    Increase stack by 11.25%, not even a decision for me. [b]Folding here is playing scared money imo.[/b]
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Complete nonsense.

    I fold pre most of the time. However min-raise/folding can be fine but only if your image is pretty tight and/or you don't think anyone is going to reshove w/o a strong hand. Despite the low SPR after raising there's still enough room to outplay your opponent.

    Shoving can also be fine if you have a table of good players and you have a pretty tight image.]

    So yeh it depends!
  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited July 2011
    dude gets slapped down!!!
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Analysis Please?:
    In Response to Re: Analysis Please? : Complete nonsense. I fold pre most of the time. However min-raise/folding can be fine but only if your image is pretty tight and/or you don't think anyone is going to reshove w/o a strong hand. Despite the low SPR after raising there's still enough room to outplay your opponent. Shoving can also be fine if you have a table of good players and you have a pretty tight image.] So yeh it depends!
    Posted by F_Ivanovic
    Okaaay, so raise/folding with a 13 BB stack is good play, yh good luck with that lol.
  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited July 2011
    Shove flop obv IF ya play the hand but im actually foldin here with no info of table , larger stacks than me and too many to try and get it past.
  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited July 2011

    I find it so odd that noone on skypoker feel 10bb is a playable stack!
    Its a fold pre as your only getting called by better and if your lucky QJ calls, if your going to steal blinds then do it in better posistion (On the button or in blinds this deep)
    You can play your stack so shallow in BB's in BH as players call so light just wait if you drop to 6-8 bb then start shoving

  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    fold or shove
    min raise with K10 is pointless, you may aswell have limped with your stack :s

    the buttons just passed you so you may aswell just of shoved any two on the button.

    Not loving the shove with K10 from the position, fine c/o or button
    If you shoving with K10 from here then obviously you want them to fold so any two does that same thing )
    If your called you will be in bad shape for sure unless somehow you get lucky and they got a underpr and at best your racing.

    The question is Glen can you wait for a better hand to put your MTT on, 11 BB would say you could wait one orbit and see and if not just ship late opens and SB. With 9-10 BB you still have enough fold equity. If you do double up though with 9-10 BB then you will still have to double up again so......

    as played shove flop, no hesitation just slam in the lamb

  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Analysis Please?:
    I find it so odd that noone on skypoker feel 10bb is a playable stack! Its a fold pre as your only getting called by better and if your lucky QJ calls, if your going to steal blinds then do it in better posistion (On the button or in blinds this deep) You can play your stack so shallow in BB's in BH as players call so light just wait if you drop to 6-8 bb then start shoving
    Posted by Batkin88
    10bb is a shoving stack
    anything less you have less fold equity plus even if you double up with 6-7-8 BB's then your basically in the same spot - struggling to remain average chips - plus the lower you let yourself slip the worse your shoving range so people will call lighter -
    Essentially if a double up puts you on average chips then you need to get it in whatever you number of blinds
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Analysis Please?:
    I find it so odd that noone on skypoker feel 10bb is a playable stack! Its a fold pre as your only getting called by better and if your lucky QJ calls, if your going to steal blinds then do it in better posistion (On the button or in blinds this deep) You can play your stack so shallow in BB's in BH as players call so light just wait if you drop to 6-8 bb then start shoving
    Posted by Batkin88
    It's not just on sky poker........

    How on earth can u play poker with 10xbb?

    Make it 2.2xbb pre, make a standard 3xbb c bet then fold to a shove leaving 4.5xbb behind?

    Flat a 2.2xbb open, float his 3xbb c bet on the flop with the intention of taking the pot away on the turn with your remaining 4.5xbb when you see weakness?
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Analysis Please?:
    In Response to Re: Analysis Please? : It's not just on sky poker........ How on earth can u play poker with 10xbb? Make it 2.2xbb pre, make a standard 3xbb c bet then fold to a shove leaving 4.5xbb behind? Flat a 2.2xbb open, float his 3xbb c bet on the flop with the intention of taking the pot away on the turn with your remaining 4.5xbb when you see weakness?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    Reading this back Batkin might mean playable as in shovable but hey ho see what he says
    I think someone did mention min raising with 11 BB, so this is aimed at them )

    Also would be nice if peeps give there opnion on my first hand I posted, fat lot of use you lot are :P
    I have not slept for three days because of this hand :P :D
  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited July 2011

    You can steal from the blinds you can  shove the button or and SB you can stop and go, you can call a min raise from the BB and fold to an empty flop, You can play down to 6-8 bb

    (Remember that thread a while back when i said KT always bad on here lol)

  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Analysis Please?:
    In Response to Re: Analysis Please? : Okaaay, so raise/folding with a 13 BB stack is good play, yh good luck with that lol.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    you can minraise/fold with the right table and image imo, with this hand in this position folding is prolly best option
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