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Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
I am chip leader top 5 overall, might have been 1st or 2nd.  - blinds 1250/2500 - last 15 or something
Coatsing along nicely when this hand comes along
Been bugging me, hindsight is a great thing and going back I want to fold but surely I can't ?
I feel it's pretty standard but need some cuddles or punches in my arm )
Nearest stack near me is half my stack
Guy goes all in and I just know he is weak so I shove !
Raising is pointless so I feel all is good, only four hands can call me right AA/KK/QQ/AK
Is this correct thinking given situation, or do i just fold em like it's 26o as I don't have to get invovled
By the way this happens a lot to me ) So any help would be good

Also do you think AK can fold there ? I don't blame him for calling but hey ho should he call ?

jdan24 Small blind   1250.00 1250.00 34557.25
X
 Big blind   2500.00 3750.00 47187.50
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • Q
     
Y All-in   22490.00 26240.00 0.00
rancid All-in   121515.00 147755.00 0.00
jdan24 Fold        
X
 All-in   47187.50 194942.50 0.00
rancid Unmatched bet   71827.50 123115.00 71827.50
X Show
  • A
  • K
     
Y Show
  • Q
  • J
     
rancid Show
  • A
  • Q
     
Flop
   
  • 5
  • 5
  • 4
     
Turn
   
  • 6
     
River
   
  • 8
     
x Win Pair of 5s 123115.00   123115.00
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited July 2011
    Played perfect imo, just unlucky he woke up with that.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited July 2011
    With your stack i can let this go but then again im a wimp and i hate A Q ;))
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader:
    With your stack i can let this go but then again im a wimp and i hate A Q ;))
    Posted by debdobs_67
    I completely disagree, i dont fold AQ to less than a 10bb shove.
     ;)
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    Standard, next hand please.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader:
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader : I completely disagree, i dont fold AQ to less than a 10bb shove.  ;)
    Posted by iBLUFF
    Neither would i IF i was the LAST one to act but with a huge stack still to come ive found foldin is better ;)
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    fistpump shove, nh
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader:
    fistpump shove, nh
    Posted by grantorino
    fistpump for me and x ? ) Or do you think it's a hard call for him
    shove - re shove - holding AK - easy call right ? think he had 18 BB's - last 15 - easy call ?


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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    Its not a fistpump for the other guy, Im not sure what he should do, I would call though unless you are really nitty or he feels he can steal very easily.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader:
    Its not a fistpump for the other guy, Im not sure what he should do, I would call though unless you are really nitty or he feels he can steal very easily.
    Posted by grantorino
    I was all in to isolate the UTG shove, so no steals :s He had to call off his whole stack of 18 BB's behind me.
    And yeah I am a nit, hear that - a nit - I always have it ! So he should of folded :)
    I hate AQ so the more replies I get saying it's the correct move given the sitaution then I am ok with it - I think :)
    These kinda hands can alter the course of the MTT for you, so looking back it's horrible for me.
    I had 48 BB's at the start of the hand, seriously can I fold.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    You finish hand with 29 bigs, whats the problemo ?
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader:
    You finish hand with 29 bigs, whats the problemo ?
    Posted by Dudeskin8

    I want the world ) 29 bigs is no problem but 48 bigs is like wonderland )
    I don't like giving up wonderland to go fight in the streets

    My point being I could have so easily just passed this as I do not need to get involved unless I got AA/KK :)
    I am thinking over this situation from the point of view - i actually do not have to play every playable hand -
    If I was playing live I'll be outside having a cig and a drink thinking how life is so great with 48 bigs

    So I think I can fold pre here with 48 bigs, and just use my stack to bully the table
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    Having 48 bigs/big stack allows you to make these plays as you can survive hits. :)
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader:
    Having 48 bigs/big stack allows you to make these plays as you can survive hits. :)
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    very true, but this happens to me a lot and even though my standard thinking is I am doing the
    same thing time and time again then maybe I could pass these spots and imagine I am at the bar )
    Might sound daft but I am giving it some serious thought.

    I was watching some big TV pokerstars final table thingy and this german guy binkerman or something is kinda short 21 bb or something. Guy raises from early and he folds or 3 bet folds AK - that was weird and tight but it got me thinking you can fold if you want. The guy who won it,  well he done some terribly angle shoot  - Fretz or something  his name was - he said raise and put only enough chips in for a call -- haha o yeah binkerman came 2nd so ................... folding can be good

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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    results based thinking ftw
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader:
    results based thinking ftw
    Posted by grantorino
    yeah yeah I know - sometimes you gotta turn the rule book upside down to understand it from another angle

    yadayada i know - but really would folding be so bad ?

    It would be nit - but hey being a nit is not that bad is it ?

    If I was sitting there with 20 BB then hey it goes in but with 48 - I can nit up can't I or is everyone going to
    hit me :)
    I bet Greghogg agrees with me === ?



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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    From a few times seen on NL4 you are not a nit my friend at least not a nit on my level.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader:
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader : yeah yeah I know - sometimes you gotta turn the rule book upside down to understand it from another angle yadayada i know - but really would folding be so bad ? It would be nit - but hey being a nit is not that bad is it ? If I was sitting there with 20 BB then hey it goes in but with 48 - I can nit up can't I or is everyone going to hit me :) I bet Greghogg agrees with me === ?
    Posted by rancid
    LOOK back at my 1st post and i say fold , why?? cos in 2 yrs of playin over 1400 mtts i have learned to fold HERE xxx
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader:
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader : LOOK back at my 1st post and i say fold , why?? cos in 2 yrs of playin over 1400 mtts i have learned to fold HERE xxx
    Posted by debdobs_67
    yeah maybe you are right in this kinda situation - big chip leader - and all that - it's ok to fold
    But these situations are very rare tbh, plus the table dynamic and postion etc... MAYBE YOU CAN FOLD
    nearly all the time it's always a shove - you may even fold out AK sometimes )

    Same situation again then I will probably do the samd thing so hey ho ) Or just maybe I will be making a cup of tea )




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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader:
    In Response to Re: Is this a standard isolate - mini Primo Chip leader : yeah maybe you are right in this kinda situation - big chip leader - and all that - it's ok to fold But these situations are very rare tbh, plus the table dynamic and postion etc... MAYBE YOU CAN FOLD nearly all the time it's always a shove - you may even fold out AK sometimes ) Same situation again then I will probably do the samd thing so hey ho ) Or just maybe I will be making a cup of tea )
    Posted by rancid
    2 Sugars for me xxx
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited July 2011
    should be fist pump shoves for both you and the BB tbh.

    if you think he has a hard decision to make then you're probably playing too tight.
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