Watched this last night. nearly fell asleep tbh. not a great deal of entertainment or exciting hands. only exciting person to watch was Reds and thats cos his a bit looser than the other nits. i think they should of sat abit deeper imo. hope episode 2 is more exciting Posted by Crunchybob
I am curious on a technical point, I noticed that there were no cameras in the table to view the player's cards like in other televised poker shows. So how did Sky display their hole cards on the screen?
Also, why was the buy-in so tiny? I am used to watching £100K BI games on TV, so this just looked like a few mates on a kitchen table - just being honest.
I am curious on a technical point, I noticed that there were no cameras in the table to view the player's cards like in other televised poker shows. So how did Sky display their hole cards on the screen? Also, why was the buy-in so tiny? I am used to watching £100K BI games on TV, so this just looked like a few mates on a kitchen table - just being honest. Cheers FH Posted by Fullhaus
The cards have tiny chips in them which sensors above the table pick up. Tikay mentioned it in the commentary (and I think in a post on another thread a while back).
Yeah thats a clever idea about the cards having tiny chips in them, I'm sure that'll become the norm now on most poker shows rather than those intrusive cameras.
I too have a similar issue with the sound as one of the other posters noted; I had to stick my telly upto 40 at 2am in the morning (Sky+'d it) to try and pick up what the players were saying. Rich and TK were very aware during their commentary that people would like to hear the players' banter and kept respectfully quiet most of the time, so I hope that the sound will be adjusted for the second show edit?
There was a lot of table-talk about the WSOP 2010 highly emotional exit but they couldn't remember the player's name. It was Matt Affleck. HERE it is (link opens in new window).
There's been some really interesting comments made on this thread - thanks a lot for those. I just wanted to offer my own personal opinion on the format of the show and why, for me at least, it was a good one to choose.
Regarding playing higher stakes: It was something we could have considered doing but in my opinion I would rather watch a Sky Poker show which relates to the players we have on this site and cash levels we can aspire to play. Sure you don't get to see a million pound pot in this show, but isn't Sky Poker a bit more of a Community focused thing than that? It was great see some of our TSP members in there mixing it with some of the biggest names in UK poker, imo, and credit should be given to them. Cranking the blinds up to £25/50 or £50/100 would have excluded the opportunity for some Sky Poker players, I believe.
Some of you mention that you found the show a little dull at times. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, and I can understand why some would rather watch 'crash, bang, wallop!' poker.
I actually think it was more interesting for showing as many of the hands as possible. If we go the other route and edit out the 'dull' hands and only show the action ones, it's taking the game and skewing it. Imagine if we saw a hand where Wayne had got a guy to stack off pre- with TT. We know Wayne's image on the whole is quite tight, so we'd up in arms saying "how can that guy stack off vs Wayne like that?". In the show he got off to quite a frisky start - editing out those hands which set his table image up like that would risk understanding and appreciating the bigger hand.
When you're playing live cash, the vast majority of the hands are quite dull and uneventful. The skill is noticing the betting patterns, how the image of each of the players evolves and where you're at in this particular moment.
Watching this show kinda felt like I was doing the same thing. Reds was definitely the most aggro player at the table, but did you see how that came about. Didn't do too much early doors, then seemed (in my opinion) to tangle with Jamie a little more than the others. Not sure why that would be the case - or if it was true at all - but was certainly how I perceived it. I found that bit to be fun.
Then there was Wayne and his 'straddling'. This was at the very start of the session and there was some disagreement amongst players and production as to whether the software 'liked' straddling. It sometimes looked like he was raising UTG rather than straddling and that meant Tikay and Orford followed the graphics. A very tricky one to tell apart, and it was resolved later in the recording so you should find this becomes less of an issue.
As an aside, I thought Wayne actually did min-raise a couple of pots and I was in the studio at the time! I might be wrong, I might also be falling in the same trap as the commentary, but I am 90% sure he did get a bit jiggy. It was hard to tell at times, honestly. If I'm wrong I am sure GB will come and slap me around the head, either on the thread or in person!
Feedback on graphics and so on will be noted by Claire and her team. They do appreciate constructive criticism and feedback, so keep it coming and that gives them even more to work with
Finally, I'd like to say that none of us - viewers, players or production alike - should forget this was our first ever attempt at this format. Live poker has some interesting challenges which were being tackled for the first time (such as getting Nik Persaud a cup of tea!), and I thought the effort was a very admirable one on all sides. The players were consummate and worked with the crew when needed to stop some of the action, straighten out sound or lighting, etc. When you're just wanting to play cards, it can be a little jarring. Not one of the players made an objection throughout the two days. Props for that.
The show is an ambitious project by Sky Poker but one I think, with a little tweak here and a play around there, could be one of the best ones to air on Channel 865.
Right, enough from me. The above is my opnion and take on it, and certainly no better than any other views. I'm just chucking them out there for discussion points and to help some of the understanding of what making the UK Cash Game took.
I did enjoy watching it and have watched it 2 and half times since (fell asleep one time but was 2am start P)
I agree it was dull on occasions but i prefer to watch every hand rather then miss out some standard play, it gives a fairer idea of how they all play and also we can all learn from it IMO
Redmond was awesome as ever can you post HH of 82 hand because each time i keep missing did he take it down? vs AK & AJ
I also wanted to mention i think Nick Persuad was a great guest(if i spelt his surname correct?) just in general he was quite entertaining not playing side but instigated most conversations etc.
Being one of those that greatly benefitted from the launch of the new UK cash game - thanks again for ther sky roller entry (sorry i couldnt do better than 26th out of 41).
I tuned in to the prog and was confused by the logo in the corner saying "replay" or something similar. i was not sure whether we were supposed to be watching what was being shown or was I watching a prog put on because of a technical fault. Having stuck with it for a while I realised (or guessed) that was the scheduled programme. It was a facinating insight into how the great and good minds work - but i tend to agree with most that the graphics (and the logo? saying replay - or something like that - stopped me getting involved in the way that I wished i could.
I agree it is a brilliant idea - and always good to see "live" players at work - and I hope the glitches are soon ironed out.
Enjoyed the show and loved the conversation myself and Wacko were having in the chatbox of a MTT during it. I think everyone understands that there are a couple of production issues to iron out, no biggies (someone leaving on the reply graphic from the previous show, sound levels etc) but this is totally understandable and excepted for a new show.
Regarding Dave's comment about playing higher, completely agree with you that these are great blind limits to watch. I don't think anyone wants to see them play higher, rather they'd like to see everyone play deeper. This will naturally happen through the shows (unless anyone hits and runs of course ) so again, no biggie. Just a personal preference that the starting stack could have been up to 200 or even 300 BB rather than the 100 we were told.
There was too much time between hands we had to watch the dealer shuffle and cut the deck.
Its good seeing every hand but that doesnt mean you have to show the dealer shuffling. I was watching on sky plus and was fast forwarding 30 seconds between every hands.
Why is it on so late at night? :S Posted by DOHHHHHHH
This seemed to be the best time to get it out on the channel as you get those who are online already plus people returning from a night out. The show is repeated at around 9pm the following week. Checking the TV schedule for all the latest repeat times
using a "sandwich" technique... i think it will become a really good show. it was great to see how they play. the only suggestion is that it would be good to upgrade the graphics. resizing the display showing six hands to five and resizing again to four is distracting, disorientating and unnecessary. furthermore, the position and style of these graphics is catering too much for those who have 4:3 televisions and consequently are too big, clumsy and central for 16:9 viewers. the red tickertape at the bottom interferes with the displayed graphics at all times. and the definition of the graphics is quite furry. it was good to watch. great stuff. Posted by aussie09
Hi aussie09
Unfortunately due to OfCom rules and regulations all on screen graphics have to be 4:3 safe. Its driven me up the wall as visually not the nicest.
This first series has been a major learning curve for myself and the team here at the channel, so when we shoot series 2 we will be looking at all the feedback
Episode 2 is on air tomorrow night at 23:00 (Friday 1st July). Mr Neil Channing will be joining the table during this show so expect lots of banter and some long stories.
As the shows go on over the next couple of weeks I can guarantee the action gets better and the post bigger. It took some time for all the players to be comfortable so understand that show 1 was not that strong.
Some issues as the 'repeat' bug on screen is out of my hands, but I have sent A nagging email to the relevant department
The more feedback you send in the better as we would love to shoot a similar show again and there is ALWAYS room for improvement
Hi All Episode 2 is on air tomorrow night at 23:00 (Friday 1st July). Mr Neil Channing will be joining the table during this show so expect lots of banter and some long stories. As the shows go on over the next couple of weeks I can guarantee the action gets better and the post bigger. It took some time for all the players to be comfortable so understand that show 1 was not that strong. Some issues as the 'repeat' bug on screen is out of my hands, but I have sent A nagging email to the relevant department The more feedback you send in the better as we would love to shoot a similar show again and there is ALWAYS room for improvement Thanks Posted by Sky_Claire
Looking forward to the 2nd episode tonight, I have purchased extra cans for it!. I was actually hoping the 'pots' might get bigger not your posts (no offence) )
In Response to Re: UK Cash Game - Official Show Discussion Thread : Looking forward to the 2nd episode tonight, I have purchased extra cans for it!. I was actually hoping the 'pots' might get bigger not your posts (no offence) ) Posted by MAXALLY
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Also, why was the buy-in so tiny? I am used to watching £100K BI games on TV, so this just looked like a few mates on a kitchen table - just being honest.
Cheers
FH
I too have a similar issue with the sound as one of the other posters noted; I had to stick my telly upto 40 at 2am in the morning (Sky+'d it) to try and pick up what the players were saying. Rich and TK were very aware during their commentary that people would like to hear the players' banter and kept respectfully quiet most of the time, so I hope that the sound will be adjusted for the second show edit?
Regarding playing higher stakes: It was something we could have considered doing but in my opinion I would rather watch a Sky Poker show which relates to the players we have on this site and cash levels we can aspire to play. Sure you don't get to see a million pound pot in this show, but isn't Sky Poker a bit more of a Community focused thing than that? It was great see some of our TSP members in there mixing it with some of the biggest names in UK poker, imo, and credit should be given to them. Cranking the blinds up to £25/50 or £50/100 would have excluded the opportunity for some Sky Poker players, I believe.
Some of you mention that you found the show a little dull at times. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, and I can understand why some would rather watch 'crash, bang, wallop!' poker.
I actually think it was more interesting for showing as many of the hands as possible. If we go the other route and edit out the 'dull' hands and only show the action ones, it's taking the game and skewing it. Imagine if we saw a hand where Wayne had got a guy to stack off pre- with TT. We know Wayne's image on the whole is quite tight, so we'd up in arms saying "how can that guy stack off vs Wayne like that?". In the show he got off to quite a frisky start - editing out those hands which set his table image up like that would risk understanding and appreciating the bigger hand.
When you're playing live cash, the vast majority of the hands are quite dull and uneventful. The skill is noticing the betting patterns, how the image of each of the players evolves and where you're at in this particular moment.
Watching this show kinda felt like I was doing the same thing. Reds was definitely the most aggro player at the table, but did you see how that came about. Didn't do too much early doors, then seemed (in my opinion) to tangle with Jamie a little more than the others. Not sure why that would be the case - or if it was true at all - but was certainly how I perceived it. I found that bit to be fun.
Then there was Wayne and his 'straddling'. This was at the very start of the session and there was some disagreement amongst players and production as to whether the software 'liked' straddling. It sometimes looked like he was raising UTG rather than straddling and that meant Tikay and Orford followed the graphics. A very tricky one to tell apart, and it was resolved later in the recording so you should find this becomes less of an issue.
As an aside, I thought Wayne actually did min-raise a couple of pots and I was in the studio at the time! I might be wrong, I might also be falling in the same trap as the commentary, but I am 90% sure he did get a bit jiggy. It was hard to tell at times, honestly. If I'm wrong I am sure GB will come and slap me around the head, either on the thread or in person!
Feedback on graphics and so on will be noted by Claire and her team. They do appreciate constructive criticism and feedback, so keep it coming and that gives them even more to work with
Finally, I'd like to say that none of us - viewers, players or production alike - should forget this was our first ever attempt at this format. Live poker has some interesting challenges which were being tackled for the first time (such as getting Nik Persaud a cup of tea!), and I thought the effort was a very admirable one on all sides. The players were consummate and worked with the crew when needed to stop some of the action, straighten out sound or lighting, etc. When you're just wanting to play cards, it can be a little jarring. Not one of the players made an objection throughout the two days. Props for that.
The show is an ambitious project by Sky Poker but one I think, with a little tweak here and a play around there, could be one of the best ones to air on Channel 865.
Right, enough from me. The above is my opnion and take on it, and certainly no better than any other views. I'm just chucking them out there for discussion points and to help some of the understanding of what making the UK Cash Game took.
Who's up for Episode 2?
I did enjoy watching it and have watched it 2 and half times since (fell asleep one time but was 2am start P)
I agree it was dull on occasions but i prefer to watch every hand rather then miss out some standard play, it gives a fairer idea of how they all play and also we can all learn from it IMO
Redmond was awesome as ever can you post HH of 82 hand because each time i keep missing did he take it down? vs AK & AJ
I also wanted to mention i think Nick Persuad was a great guest(if i spelt his surname correct?) just in general he was quite entertaining not playing side but instigated most conversations etc.
PS- i'd love to have a go if someone staked me :P
I tuned in to the prog and was confused by the logo in the corner saying "replay" or something similar. i was not sure whether we were supposed to be watching what was being shown or was I watching a prog put on because of a technical fault. Having stuck with it for a while I realised (or guessed) that was the scheduled programme. It was a facinating insight into how the great and good minds work - but i tend to agree with most that the graphics (and the logo? saying replay - or something like that - stopped me getting involved in the way that I wished i could.
I agree it is a brilliant idea - and always good to see "live" players at work - and I hope the glitches are soon ironed out.
Here you go (courtesy of Claire)
Thursday 30th @ midnight
Friday 1st July @ 21:00
The first show was a little slow but hopefully it will liven up as they all relax more!!
Maybe you should of fed them all with booze to liven them up??
Unfortunately due to OfCom rules and regulations all on screen graphics have to be 4:3 safe. Its driven me up the wall as visually not the nicest.
This first series has been a major learning curve for myself and the team here at the channel, so when we shoot series 2 we will be looking at all the feedback
Thanks
Episode 2 is on air tomorrow night at 23:00 (Friday 1st July). Mr Neil Channing will be joining the table during this show so expect lots of banter and some long stories.
As the shows go on over the next couple of weeks I can guarantee the action gets better and the post bigger. It took some time for all the players to be comfortable so understand that show 1 was not that strong.
Some issues as the 'repeat' bug on screen is out of my hands, but I have sent A nagging email to the relevant department
The more feedback you send in the better as we would love to shoot a similar show again and there is ALWAYS room for improvement
Thanks