22% is not a tight range ..... it's more than 1 in 5 hands you're involved in, which is quite a solid amount, if anything it's more on the loose side than tight, there's something up with your knowledge if you think it's too tight
i didn't say just open the BTN, i said fold marginals (i.e. J10JQ etc.) in early position, whereas you can open up with hands like that on the BTN and CO ... checking the BB doesn't contribute to your VPIP so yeah ... but just don't listen and keep your 44% VPIP ......
wow 22% is not a tight range ..... it's more than 1 in 5 hands you're involved in, which is quite a solid amount, if anything it's more on the loose side than tight, there's something up with your knowledge if you think it's too tight i didn't say just open the BTN, i said fold marginals (i.e. J10JQ etc.) in early position, whereas you can open up with hands like that on the BTN and CO ... checking the BB doesn't contribute to your VPIP so yeah ... but just don't listen and keep your 44% VPIP ...... Posted by percival09
Ok calm down, no need for the hissy fit!
I was being self deprecating, you know...... Ironic.
wow 22% is not a tight range ..... it's more than 1 in 5 hands you're involved in, which is quite a solid amount, if anything it's more on the loose side than tight, there's something up with your knowledge if you think it's too tight i didn't say just open the BTN, i said fold marginals (i.e. J10JQ etc.) in early position, whereas you can open up with hands like that on the BTN and CO ... checking the BB doesn't contribute to your VPIP so yeah ... but just don't listen and keep your 44% VPIP ...... Posted by percival09
If you only played broadway cards and any pair you would be on an 18% range so 22% is pretty tight certainly for 2p 4p.
Throw in your 67, 78 and 89 suited type hands and you have your 22%
In Response to Re: Cash help needed pleasssse : If you only played broadway cards and any pair you would be on an 18% range so 22% is pretty tight certainly for 2p 4p. Throw in your 67, 78 and 89 suited type hands and you have your 22% Posted by salazar
why do you want to be loose at 4NL ? i thought it'd be the opposite ! i don't mind playing those hands on the BTN at 4NL but in all seriousness i'd muck in every other position, maybe that's just me ...
In Response to Re: Cash help needed pleasssse : why do you want to be loose at 4NL ? i thought it'd be the opposite ! i don't mind playing those hands on the BTN at 4NL but in all seriousness i'd muck in every other position, maybe that's just me ... Posted by percival09
Compared to the total junk everyone else will be playing at 2p 4p 22% is fine, if Chaper wants to miss the suited connectors out, an 18% range is fine by me at 2p 4p. I think the main thing is to make those fish pay pre flop, if they want to play any junk pre flop, make them pay to play it. go with the 4,5,6x pre and do what percival said, add one for every limper
IMO 22% is way too tight at NL4. The main problem that a lot of NL4 players have is the fact that thay do not have a raise button therefore an experienced player can use this to his advantage and see a lot of flops cheaply. Therefore , knowing the lack of experience at the table, a decent player can pick up some big pots. Someone on here started athread a while ago about calling with any 2 at this level because it is so easy to get paid when you hit, but cheap to get away when you dont.
IMO 22% is way too tight at NL4. The main problem that a lot of NL4 players have is the fact that thay do not have a raise button therefore an experienced player can use this to his advantage and see a lot of flops cheaply. Therefore , knowing the lack of experience at the table, a decent player can pick up some big pots. Someone on here started athread a while ago about calling with any 2 at this level because it is so easy to get paid when you hit, but cheap to get away when you dont. Posted by pomfrittes
Yes, the majority of players at 4NL are fish, therefore they call you down with anything ... so i don't see how playing more hands is or can be profitable, for you to say 22% is way too tight baffles me, so you're saying playing 3 hands an orbit would be good? at no level would that be profitable, never mind one where it's definitely best to play tight imo ! the bit i highlighted is worrying, to me that's the mentality of a fish (i'm not calling you a fish btw lol).. calling w/ any2 is incredibly spewy and you will definitely lose money, you hit 1/3 times and even when you hit you're unlikely to be good playing any 2
IMO 22% is way too tight at NL4. The main problem that a lot of NL4 players have is the fact that thay do not have a raise button therefore an experienced player can use this to his advantage and see a lot of flops cheaply. Therefore , knowing the lack of experience at the table, a decent player can pick up some big pots. Someone on here started athread a while ago about calling with any 2 at this level because it is so easy to get paid when you hit, but cheap to get away when you dont. Posted by pomfrittes
Yeah danny be doing this at NL4 just danny, really just danny ever do this.
In Response to Re: Cash help needed pleasssse : Why would you want to vary your pre flop raise size and give players a clue to what hands you've got? You raise the same amount every time so people don't know if you've got 67 or AA. 22% is a pretty tight range anyway, perfect for 2p 4p. Never vary your pre flop raise size, that's the worst thing you can do Posted by salazar
Well a lot of the 4Nl players here advocate doing it, I wouldnt personally. But I dont think having an opening range that includes 67s and opening all of it for 6bb can be optimal, given how often you are likely to be called, villains are often short and you are not going to be able to bluff them off flop often. If you are going to use big raise sizing I think you need a tight opening range.
In Response to Re: Cash help needed pleasssse : Why would you want to vary your pre flop raise size and give players a clue to what hands you've got? You raise the same amount every time so people don't know if you've got 67 or AA. 22% is a pretty tight range anyway, perfect for 2p 4p. Never vary your pre flop raise size, that's the worst thing you can do Posted by salazar
Gotta agree with ya here mate pretty much same strategy works for me well enough xx
Are they from pokerstove doh? Who thinks K7s is a better hand to play than 44?
I think that range you advocate is prob about right for opening, can prob add in some weaker As at 4nl. Think you can prob limp along in multiway pots with some weaker hands depending on table conditions. As you move up the levels you would prob take out some weaker broadways, As and add in some small scs. Also VPIP doesnt include hands seen for free in BB which would prob be a significant number at 4Nl here (Not sure what stats op is using)
In general though the more skilled you are the more hands you can open, as the wider you open the tougher postflop is. As this thread is from a guy who it pretty much beginning he should prob open tight, something like 22+,AT+, KJ+ and maybe add in suited broadways from btn. Once he gets more confident he can widen his range
Yeh they r from PS, I just typed in 22%, but looking back how is A3 stronger than 55??
I did the 2nd lot myself, that's what I'd be opening.
I think the number of tables you play should make a massive difference to how you play at nl4 though, I don't think people give enough consideration to that.
One point I picked up from DOH about muti-tabling. If you are multi-tabling you would have less chance of playing bad cards. My reasons for this are 1-you have not reads on players. 2-you do not get bored. Does this make sense.
Great advice gave me a lot to think about. One point I picked up from DOH about muti-tabling. If you are multi-tabling you would have less chance of playing bad cards. My reasons for this are 1-you have not reads on players. 2-you do not get bored. Does this make sense. Posted by chaper
Loads of excellent advice, already posted. I would just play tight, close down you opening range and play mostly in position. Don't get drawn in to hands with mediocre holdings just because it's cheap. Don't be fooled in to thinking it's only 4p, i'll see the flop!! It will end up costing you a lot more.
Apart from getting board playing 1 or 2 tables, this is why you should be multi-tabling..
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As long as you NEVER open 3x you'll be ok.
I was being self deprecating, you know...... Ironic.
Blimey!
IMO 22% is way too tight at NL4. The main problem that a lot of NL4 players have is the fact that thay do not have a raise button therefore an experienced player can use this to his advantage and see a lot of flops cheaply. Therefore , knowing the lack of experience at the table, a decent player can pick up some big pots.
Someone on here started athread a while ago about calling with any 2 at this level because it is so easy to get paid when you hit, but cheap to get away when you dont.
I think that range you advocate is prob about right for opening, can prob add in some weaker As at 4nl. Think you can prob limp along in multiway pots with some weaker hands depending on table conditions. As you move up the levels you would prob take out some weaker broadways, As and add in some small scs. Also VPIP doesnt include hands seen for free in BB which would prob be a significant number at 4Nl here (Not sure what stats op is using)
In general though the more skilled you are the more hands you can open, as the wider you open the tougher postflop is. As this thread is from a guy who it pretty much beginning he should prob open tight, something like 22+,AT+, KJ+ and maybe add in suited broadways from btn. Once he gets more confident he can widen his range
One point I picked up from DOH about muti-tabling. If you are multi-tabling you would have less chance of playing bad cards. My reasons for this are 1-you have not reads on players.
2-you do not get bored.
Does this make sense.
Apart from getting board playing 1 or 2 tables, this is why you should be multi-tabling..
Good luck
Mac