Spoke too soon. Wasn't having a great session last night but was keeping losses fairly low, then made a very tilty move on a loose player who had the goods for a change. Seems to be that Friday night's aren't my best night to play. Posted by harding10
variance, I find, is higher on friday/saturday nights especially from about 10pm - drink possibly plays a part as people come back from the pub. as new players join it won't take you long to see what they are like and adjust. but they do seem to hit some nights alot!lol!
Played a lot more hands than I've done before through the start of September, nearly doubled my highest monthly points in the first week. Quite comfortable 3 tabling now, if that keeps going well will try a fourth. The extra volume showed up a leak in my flop betting oop which I've hopefully put right having read DOHHHHHHH's nl4 guide, now those hands I'm losing aren't costing me as much. Also have cut down on the plain stupid mistakes. Posted by harding10
Awful run last night, starting to feel I'm turning into Don. )
Aces cracked twice aipf, AQ lost to KK when it all went in on a QQx flop and a K came on the river, and joy of joys JJ lost to 24os when it all went in on the flop and he 4 flushed me on the river with the 2.
Down 5 BI's in 2 nights, feel a bit like a schoolkid who's been told to go back to the beginning and start again.
Awful run last night, starting to feel I'm turning into Don. ) Aces cracked twice aipf, AQ lost to KK when it all went in on a QQx flop and a K came on the river, and joy of joys JJ lost to 24os when it all went in on the flop and he 4 flushed me on the river with the 2. Down 5 BI's in 2 nights, feel a bit like a schoolkid who's been told to go back to the beginning and start again. Posted by harding10
Don't worry at all mate I had the same this month at NL10 down 7 BI's in the first week feeling awful but have now slowly ground back and almost back to where I was. You just have to keep playing and don't give up (unless you go broke lol).
In Response to Re: NL4 for beginners : Don't worry at all mate I had the same this month at NL10 down 7 BI's in the first week feeling awful but have now slowly ground back and almost back to where I was. You just have to keep playing and don't give up (unless you go broke lol). Posted by Dudeskin8
just won £7 in 30 mins 3 tabling 4nl same as last time enter pot for 20p or fold occasional call in small blind and check in bb
In Response to Re: NL4 for beginners : just won £7 in 30 mins 3 tabling 4nl same as last time enter pot for 20p or fold occasional call in small blind and check in bb Posted by s6owls
LOL that was basically my exact strategy at NL4 and probably still is at NL10 but with it being 30p open.
Just lost £7.89 3 tabling read on a post that better standard 9 am (after kids gone to school)-definitely found that to be the case this morning- more re-raising and not flat calling. only one crying hand aipf £2.50 with aces got beat by jj-was already £5 down-seems to happen when already losing session(or is it you just remember losses more than winnings )
Couple of good sessions Sun & Tues evenings and have made back up the 5BI loss of the weekend. Posted by harding10
Quality. If you keep a graph of your sessions over time it may prove helpful ? It is good to have a positive overview. You can also annotate sections of it. Like sometimes you may experiment with different styles to the norm. Or remark on sections having +/- variance factors or number of tables played for example. Just a thought. I'm sure there are programs that do all this stuff for you but i'm a technophobe luddite type but still found a simple graph useful. Good thread man.
I started September with £100 in my account, with the targets of getting up to £120, playing enough to get a whole £5 cash for points for the first time, and playing at least 2 DTD's in the month.
On Sunday 24th I was at £125, had played 2 DTD's, and was over the 500 points. I should have stopped there!!!
I've had an awful week, beat after beat after beat. KK aipf cracked by rag aces, running straights, 4 flushed & underpairs hitting sets. Set over set twice, out kicked on flopped trips and AQ on a QQ7 flop undone by someone who'd called a 20p raise pre with Q7 sooted.
Account currently at £101. Couple of buy ins up for the month on nl4 cancelling out a small loss on mtts. By the end of last nights session I was playing not to lose instead of playing to win, so I'm having a short break. (going to be short of playing opportunities next week anyway)
Feels a bit as though the stts I've played up until now have been practice and the real stuff starts here. The account balance swings in cash take a bit of getting used to although until this last dip the trend has been upwards, and I still think I'll get there.
I started September with £100 in my account, with the targets of getting up to £120, playing enough to get a whole £5 cash for points for the first time, and playing at least 2 DTD's in the month. On Sunday 24th I was at £125, had played 2 DTD's, and was over the 500 points. I should have stopped there!!! I've had an awful week, beat after beat after beat. KK aipf cracked by rag aces, running straights, 4 flushed & underpairs hitting sets. Set over set twice, out kicked on flopped trips and AQ on a QQ7 flop undone by someone who'd called a 20p raise pre with Q7 sooted. Account currently at £101. Couple of buy ins up for the month on nl4 cancelling out a small loss on mtts. By the end of last nights session I was playing not to lose instead of playing to win, so I'm having a short break. (going to be short of playing opportunities next week anyway) Feels a bit as though the stts I've played up until now have been practice and the real stuff starts here. The account balance swings in cash take a bit of getting used to although until this last dip the trend has been upwards, and I still think I'll get there. Posted by harding10
Yh I was doing this towards end of my cash for points goal and it's a BAD was to play, you're almost hopeing for no good hands lol
In Response to Re: NL4 for beginners : Yh I was doing this towards end of my cash for points goal and it's a BAD was to play, you're almost hopeing for no good hands lol Posted by Dudeskin8
It wasn't the points, I already had 500 and was never going to make 1000.
It's more to do with not dropping back below £100 at the end of the month, although I've been below quite a bit early in the month. Daft really.
Bottling out of hands when there was a reasonable chance I would be ahead, set mining small pairs and still betting timidly when hitting, generally expecting to be behind every time. And the really stupid thing is I'd probably have done a couple more buy-ins if I hadn't been playing that way.
If the standard open raise at NL4 is 20p, should I be making it 40p at NL8 or would 24p or 32p be enough?
Going to have a pop at NL8 at the start of the month and see how it goes. I was a decent way towards getting through NL4, but a couple of mtt cashes have got me up to 27BI's for NL8.
I'm aware I haven't completely beaten nl4 so if I'm not comfortable and drop back below 25 BI's I'll go back to NL4 for a while.
Hi Harding, just to say really enjoying this thread! Keep it going. I'm fairly knew and only play Dym's, MTT &STT currently but I have cash in my sights. Your & Don's thread have some excellent advice & strategy. GL pad
I'm not sure I can keep grinding cash tables trying to get up to even 500 points for c4p, I think it will kill off my enjoyment of the game. I've not made a disastrous start to nl8 by any means, I'm just above break even, but I'm really struggling for the motivation to play. Maybe I'll feel differently later in the month, but at the mment I'll probably keep playing cash but at a lower volume than currently.
What my switch to the cash tables does seem to have done is to have improved my tournament game. The extra volume of multi tabling even low stakes cash has shown up some leaks in my game which I've done a bit of work on.
I've played 9 tournaments in the last 2 weeks with a 1st, 2nd, 8th and a min cash, and have returned over 5 times my buy-ins as profit. I know it would be nearly impossible to maintain this level long term, but hopefully this is more than just a heater.
Can't get my head around what's happening with my game regarding cash.
I've been using a mixture of DOHHHHHHH's low stakes cash guide and a post about low stakes cash from Dudeskin alongside my own game, which is fairly nitty.
The extra help from their tips has improved my mtt and stt results quite markedly, but I can't seem to make headway at micro cash playing that way.
Whether that's any more than variance I can't say, but I shall be having a break from cash for a while.
Can't get my head around what's happening with my game regarding cash. I've been using a mixture of DOHHHHHHH's low stakes cash guide and a post about low stakes cash from Dudeskin alongside my own game, which is fairly nitty. The extra help from their tips has improved my mtt and stt results quite markedly, but I can't seem to make headway at micro cash playing that way. Whether that's any more than variance I can't say, but I shall be having a break from cash for a while. Posted by harding10
Hi Harding, it can be very frustrating when you play Nitty at NL4 due to the fact that raises are not respected, the fact you are playing premium hands strongly is not noticed etc etc. No good raising big with your premiums and picking up 3 or 4 callers which obv. reduces your odds of still being in front by the river.
I know you have a solid game and can obviously read the texture of the board, therefore my advice to you would be to stick at it but widen your range, see more flops cheaply and then reassess. If you are playing against less experienced players, which at the micro levels you invariably are, you need to be getting involved in more hands not less.
Don't play by the book, use it as a guide If you can see a flop cheaply, which is always possible at NL4 - do so with cards that flop and draw to the nutz or 2nd nutz You will stack a lot of players when you hit high end straights and flushes as everyone is in there with any 2 Widen your range but play them according to the situation For example K3s, A4s, fine to limp in - if you catch flush draw then if someone comes along your going to stack them with your bigger hand Mix it up a bit, you can at NL4 because no one raises ) Posted by rancid
Yeah, as long as you do the exact opposite of this you'll be fine.
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Awful run last night, starting to feel I'm turning into Don.
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Aces cracked twice aipf, AQ lost to KK when it all went in on a QQx flop and a K came on the river, and joy of joys JJ lost to 24os when it all went in on the flop and he 4 flushed me on the river with the 2.
Down 5 BI's in 2 nights, feel a bit like a schoolkid who's been told to go back to the beginning and start again.
same as last time enter pot for 20p or fold
occasional call in small blind and check in bb
read on a post that better standard 9 am (after kids gone to school)-definitely found that to be the case this morning- more re-raising and not flat calling.
only one crying hand
aipf £2.50 with aces got beat by jj-was already £5 down-seems to happen when already losing session(or is it you just remember losses more than winnings )
Good thread man.
On Sunday 24th I was at £125, had played 2 DTD's, and was over the 500 points. I should have stopped there!!!
I've had an awful week, beat after beat after beat. KK aipf cracked by rag aces, running straights, 4 flushed & underpairs hitting sets. Set over set twice, out kicked on flopped trips and AQ on a QQ7 flop undone by someone who'd called a 20p raise pre with Q7 sooted.
Account currently at £101. Couple of buy ins up for the month on nl4 cancelling out a small loss on mtts. By the end of last nights session I was playing not to lose instead of playing to win, so I'm having a short break. (going to be short of playing opportunities next week anyway)
Feels a bit as though the stts I've played up until now have been practice and the real stuff starts here.
The account balance swings in cash take a bit of getting used to although until this last dip the trend has been upwards, and I still think I'll get there.
It's more to do with not dropping back below £100 at the end of the month, although I've been below quite a bit early in the month. Daft really.
Bottling out of hands when there was a reasonable chance I would be ahead, set mining small pairs and still betting timidly when hitting, generally expecting to be behind every time. And the really stupid thing is I'd probably have done a couple more buy-ins if I hadn't been playing that way.
If the standard open raise at NL4 is 20p, should I be making it 40p at NL8 or would 24p or 32p be enough?
Going to have a pop at NL8 at the start of the month and see how it goes. I was a decent way towards getting through NL4, but a couple of mtt cashes have got me up to 27BI's for NL8.
I'm aware I haven't completely beaten nl4 so if I'm not comfortable and drop back below 25 BI's I'll go back to NL4 for a while.
Hi Harding,
just to say really enjoying this thread! Keep it going. I'm fairly knew and only play Dym's, MTT &STT currently but I have cash in my sights. Your & Don's thread have some excellent advice & strategy.
GL
pad
I'm not sure I can keep grinding cash tables trying to get up to even 500 points for c4p, I think it will kill off my enjoyment of the game. I've not made a disastrous start to nl8 by any means, I'm just above break even, but I'm really struggling for the motivation to play. Maybe I'll feel differently later in the month, but at the mment I'll probably keep playing cash but at a lower volume than currently.
What my switch to the cash tables does seem to have done is to have improved my tournament game. The extra volume of multi tabling even low stakes cash has shown up some leaks in my game which I've done a bit of work on.
I've played 9 tournaments in the last 2 weeks with a 1st, 2nd, 8th and a min cash, and have returned over 5 times my buy-ins as profit. I know it would be nearly impossible to maintain this level long term, but hopefully this is more than just a heater.
I've been using a mixture of DOHHHHHHH's low stakes cash guide and a post about low stakes cash from Dudeskin alongside my own game, which is fairly nitty.
The extra help from their tips has improved my mtt and stt results quite markedly, but I can't seem to make headway at micro cash playing that way.
Whether that's any more than variance I can't say, but I shall be having a break from cash for a while.