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Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4

The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
edited September 2011 in The Poker Clinic
FAO to opponent if u want your name taken out please say.

Reg is one of the regulars in clinic. Not sure on this hand at all.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
rancid Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £5.20
7lucky7 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £1.56
 Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 9
   
chrispip Fold     
UKCW Raise  £0.20 £0.26 £3.98
The_Don90 Call  £0.20 £0.46 £3.78
rancid Call  £0.18 £0.64 £5.02
7lucky7 Fold     
Flop
  
  • 5
  • 6
  • 4
   
rancid Bet  £0.68 £1.32 £4.34
UKCW Fold     
The_Don90 Call  £0.68 £2.00 £3.10
Turn
  
  • 7
   
rancid Bet  £1.50 £3.50 £2.84
The_Don90 Call  £1.50 £5.00 £1.60
River
  
  • 9
   
rancid All-in  £2.84 £7.84 £0.00
The_Don90 All-in  £1.60 £9.44 £0.00
rancid Unmatched bet  £1.24 £8.20 £1.24
rancid Show
  • 5
  • 4
   
The_Don90 Show
  • 9
  • 9
   
The_Don90 Win Three 9s £7.58  £7.58
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Comments

  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited August 2011

    you are drunk or very brave calling that turn and river!

  • delaney09delaney09 Member Posts: 1,145
    edited August 2011

    when you call the flop call the turn and then hit the 9 on the river even though the board is so draw heavy i think you just have to get it in there and hope your good cant see any reason to fold river when you call 2 streets

    on the turn it brings the SFD if you think you are still good there i probably just get it in there instead of flatting and leaving £1.60 behind for the river but imo i fold the turn i just can not think im ever ahead on this type of board

    edit: re read what i first wrote and it didnt make much sense so re wrote

  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited August 2011
    im actually pretty drunk tbh. But also that QJ hand playing alot in my head.
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    Don't like the flat on the flop. Do you think you're ahead? If so, get some more value and don't let him hit cheap. A good system at 4NL is not to play against good people like Rancid, there's plenty of others out there to get your money off, just fold the flop. If you don't I definitely find a fold on the turn... in Tikay's words it's a soaking flop with a terrible turn. Rancid is a regular and anyone who's a regular knows not to bluff at this level so I can't see there's any way you're ahead here until you get lucky on the river.

    P.S. Shocked by your call pre Rancid...higher levels I can understand but not at this level.
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2011

    Fold turn for me.
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4:
    im actually pretty drunk tbh. But also that QJ hand playing alot in my head.
    Posted by The_Don90
    oh my god Don, leave the QJ hand behind. Just stand up, sober up, and don't sit at any more cash tables.
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4:
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4 : oh my god Don, leave the QJ hand behind. Just stand up, sober up, and don't sit at any more cash tables.
    Posted by Lambert180
    erm find a player me and say that ;)
  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4:
    Fold turn for me.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    this

    what hands do you think he donks the flop with and what are you still ahead of by the turn?
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4:
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4 : this what hands do you think he donks the flop with and what are you still ahead of by the turn?
    Posted by yb
    not alot tbh, but i had a 1 outer if i was behind, lol. no excuses, thats why i posted this hand
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited August 2011
      Don if i were you i would take a serious look at this hand again. Remove the result from the end and imagine it was you giving the advice about how to play this hand.

      I dont think that you would ever recommend calling all the way down here so ask yourself why you were doing it. Despite winning the hand this example shows a major leak in your game. Think it through because you got over half your stack into the middle with just 1 pair on the wettest board imaginable hoping to hit a miracle card which wouldnt have given you the nuts anyway.

       This is the sort of play (despite winning this time) that destroys bankrolls. The turn was the critical part of this hand because this was where you pot committed yourself with very little in the way of a hand. The river plays itself but i really think that you should not have even seen the river card to have this decision.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4:
    P.S. Shocked by your call pre Rancid...higher levels I can understand but not at this level.
    Posted by Lambert180
    emmmmm implied odds are your friend hence the donk lead to get over pair or drawing hands over the line 
    45s premium hand to crack better starting hands with, it's not ABC poker but hey )

    Don the other table was fun ) Hope you noted that crazy guy, EZ money
    He always had a hand v me though - :(

    this hand well i think it's a fold on the turn, which will be profitable long term








  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    TBH I might just fold the flop facing a pot bet from a REG who clearly isn't betting A6/K6 there and should know he HAS to bet 2pr/set hands for value.

    If I did call turn is snap fold.

    EDIT : @ rancid - Calling 5x raises OOP wiv 54s ain't good mate, it's 45-1 to flop 2pair and even if you flop draw you're never odds on to hit it, most the time you hit bottom pair no kika.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4:
    TBH I might just fold the flop facing a pot bet from a REG who clearly isn't betting A6/K6 there and should know he HAS to bet 2pr/set hands for value. If I did call turn is snap fold. EDIT : @ rancid - Calling 5x raises OOP wiv 54s ain't good mate, it's 45-1 to flop 2pair and even if you flop draw you're never odds on to hit it, most the time you hit bottom pair no kika.
    Posted by Dudeskin8

    I hear you Dude !

    I would like to hear what other players think about my pre call with 45s

    Bad/good

     

    I am either stacking someone or not so… speculative yes – bad I am not so sure as long as you fold flops where your not hitting 2pr/SD/FD

  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    I don't like it myself. Against better players I definitely like playing suited connectors like this because you are more likely to get their stack because your hand is disguised...but at this level, you can quite often get someone's stack when you play AK and hit an A or a K so I just don't think it's worth the long shot, when alot of people stack off so light.
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4:
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4 : erm find a player me and say that ;)
    Posted by The_Don90
    I was tempted to Find a Player you before you'd said anything but despite you making a few basic errors there are people who are a million times worse than you at this level. Which is why I honestly can't understand why you can't beat it. Obviously we can't look at just you're last 2 sessions, see they're losing sessions, and say you're a losing player aty 4NL. It's no big deal to have 2 losing sessions and to be fair both times you lost very little, so just stick at it and I'm sure you could have your BR up to £50 within a week or so.
  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4:
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4 : I hear you Dude ! I would like to hear what other players think about my pre call with 45s Bad/good   I am either stacking someone or not so… speculative yes – bad I am not so sure as long as you fold flops where your not hitting 2pr/SD/FD
    Posted by rancid
    Well as ya know dude is a very solid player and i would expect him to fold 45s virtually every single time BUT i play my cash poker (profitably as well) a bit like ureself rancid and very much like to vary my range of hands to stop players from reading my startin hands and dont mind ya call at all as long as ya dont do it too often ;))

    As for don's hand its a clear fold on the turn every time in this sort of spot xx
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited August 2011
    i think flop is probably a fold w/o more reads

    def fold 45s pre

    unsure if i like turn bet either!
  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Top set Very Wet board v reg. NL4:
    i think flop is probably a fold w/o more reads def fold 45s pre unsure if i like turn bet either!
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    Hi lol_raise , are ya sayin thats at this specific level OR at all levels ? i play nl10 mostly BUT have had a few sessions at nl20 / nl30 lately and i see this type of hand played pretty often xx
  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited August 2011
    you def have to fold the turn - he's never overbet donking into two players weak - you could fold the flop readless
  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited August 2011

    raise button pre to isolate original raiser is a must imo!!, as played fold turn.

    edit: just realized oppo raise 5x suppose you can just flat, But for me i stick to what i said, raise on that button all day long! with a strong hand aiming to play a donk heads up!

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