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LOL - Can someone please explain??

phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
edited October 2009 in Poker Chat
I never post beats but this does take the biscuit!

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
CHADINO Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £18.25
GEE_BURT Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £76.92
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
BRETTY427 Call  £0.50 £1.25 £48.58
jenars Fold     
bollie Fold     
phil12uk Raise  £1.50 £2.75 £47.75
CHADINO Raise  £2.25 £5.00 £16.00
GEE_BURT Fold     
BRETTY427 Fold     
phil12uk Raise  £5.00 £10.00 £42.75
CHADINO Call  £4.00 £14.00 £12.00
Flop
   
  • 9
  • 6
  • 2
     
CHADINO All-in  £12.00 £26.00 £0.00
phil12uk Call  £12.00 £38.00 £30.75
Turn
   
  • 9
     
River
   
  • 10
     
CHADINO Show
  • 3
  • 4
   
phil12uk Muck
  • A
  • A
   
CHADINO Win Flush to the 10 £36.20  £36.20
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  • Hale72Hale72 Member Posts: 1,000
    edited October 2009
    Got to be a first mate, even for here. 3 4 off, just beyond comprehension.

    All in on a gut shot or running flush.

    The initial raise beggars belief but after the flop he surely was buying, hoping you had AK or AQ and had completely missed.

    Never mind mate, these players soon lose their roll and end up reloading.

    See it as he is saving your cash for you till next time!
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  • dav1964dav1964 Member Posts: 2,526
    edited October 2009
    In Response to LOL - Can someone please explain??:
    I never post beats but this does take the biscuit! Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance CHADINO Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £18.25 GEE_BURT Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £76.92   Your hole cards A A       BRETTY427 Call   £0.50 £1.25 £48.58 jenars Fold         bollie Fold         phil12uk Raise   £1.50 £2.75 £47.75 CHADINO Raise   £2.25 £5.00 £16.00 GEE_BURT Fold         BRETTY427 Fold         phil12uk Raise   £5.00 £10.00 £42.75 CHADINO Call   £4.00 £14.00 £12.00 Flop     9 6 2       CHADINO All-in   £12.00 £26.00 £0.00 phil12uk Call   £12.00 £38.00 £30.75 Turn     9       River     10       CHADINO Show 3 4       phil12uk Muck A A       CHADINO Win Flush to the 10 £36.20   £36.20 Prev Close window Next
    Posted by phil12uk
    URE RIGHT THAT BEGGERS BELIEF VERY SOZ FOR U M8,TROUBLE IS THIS IS APPENIN LOADS LATELY AND ITS HARD 2 KNOW WHAT A GD HAND IS ANYMORE.GL M8
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  • loonytoonsloonytoons Member Posts: 4,270
    edited October 2009
    listen - i will say this only once - you were beaten by a better player
    listen - i will say this only once - you were beaten by a better player
    listen - i will say this only once - you were beaten by a better player
    listen - i will say this only once - you came 2nd lol
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited October 2009
    Nothing wrong with his post-flop play although his pre-flop play was a tad "creative".
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  • Hale72Hale72 Member Posts: 1,000
    edited October 2009
    A tad creative, LOL.

    Need to remember that when it happens to me.

    They always say any 2 cards etc. etc. but this guy must bleed cash if he plays this hand like that more often than once a year.
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  • anjie1970anjie1970 Member Posts: 410
    edited October 2009
    In Response to LOL - Can someone please explain??:
    I never post beats but this does take the biscuit! Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance CHADINO Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £18.25 GEE_BURT Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £76.92   Your hole cards A A       BRETTY427 Call   £0.50 £1.25 £48.58 jenars Fold         bollie Fold         phil12uk Raise   £1.50 £2.75 £47.75 CHADINO Raise   £2.25 £5.00 £16.00 GEE_BURT Fold         BRETTY427 Fold         phil12uk Raise   £5.00 £10.00 £42.75 CHADINO Call   £4.00 £14.00 £12.00 Flop     9 6 2       CHADINO All-in   £12.00 £26.00 £0.00 phil12uk Call   £12.00 £38.00 £30.75 Turn     9       River     10       CHADINO Show 3 4       phil12uk Muck A A       CHADINO Win Flush to the 10 £36.20   £36.20 Prev Close window Next
    Posted by phil12uk
    that is horrible phil, so sick it makes you wanna scream.
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  • SolarCarroSolarCarro Member Posts: 2,273
    edited October 2009
    OMG!

    Speechless, I was done by the mighty 2 5 off last night.
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  • IRISHROVERIRISHROVER Member Posts: 7,606
    edited October 2009
    pure sick sick and more sick i feel your pain m8 ,

    but he wont get that lucky again 2 soon ,

     no way hes in profit in the long game ul again ,

     but keep your game the same and move on .
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited October 2009
    Aw, come on folks, if this is the worst beat that Phil has had recently then he has had a charmed life.

    The 34 was 22.22% after the flop so it's hardly astronomical odds.
    OK, it looks sick because it was a runner runner terrible flush but it's all included in the 22.22%.

    If the other guy had KhKd and sucked out with a two-outer king would we be so disgusted?
    The KhKd would have been 8.38% after that flop so, odds-wise, a much worse beat.
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  • Hale72Hale72 Member Posts: 1,000
    edited October 2009
    Not so much the percentage of his hand, not disputing that at all.

    It's just purely the cards he chose to commit his stack to that is beyond comprehension.

    You know yourself that long term, no way is 4 3 off profitable. Surely 60% of the time you will end up playing the board.

    let me know with 3 4 off what are the odds of playing the board?
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  • darichdarich Member Posts: 969
    edited October 2009
    That's inexplicable poker. Mere will try and defend most plays. I can't be as placid as that, even though I should be. That was rotten poker, and he does not win in the long run, simple as that
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  • darichdarich Member Posts: 969
    edited October 2009
    I don't think it's the bad beat element of this that Phil is griping about, it's the wholly illogical play of his opponent
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited October 2009
    as said flop is standard.  in fact he played flop well considering there is a chance he has some FE if you're holding AK.

    but yeah I know the villain in the hand, he plays lol all the time like that so just note it up...
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice Member Posts: 4,364
    edited October 2009
    OK, I'll play devil's advocate.

    None of the comments above are made by people who know what the table dynamics were.
    Let's say Phil has been raising a fair bit, then a minimum re-raise of his opening raise is used by many people to indicate extreme strength. (I'm not saying that it is great play but a lot of people do it). The opponent may have hoped that Phil would fold although we all known that this is extremely unlikely. Once Phil 4-bets then we can probably all agree that fold is the best option - but we don't always choose the best option. He may have decided that Phil is on AK/AQ and that he's going to see a flop and if there are no high card on it, he's going to push (which is what he did).



    I just want to add, in order to make myself even more unpopular, that it is very wrong to post hands like this without the opponent's name being removed.
    The result of this is to clearly try to embarrass the opponent and this is absolutely unacceptable in my book. Before anyone says that this thread wasn't meant to be critical of the opponent, look at the title "LOL - Can someone please explain??".
    We all make dubious plays and many of us seem quick to criticise other players.

    I'm not going to post any more on this thread because it really doesn't merit it.
    My hope is that the moderators will remove it.
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: LOL - Can someone please explain??:
    I don't think it's the bad beat element of this that Phil is griping about, it's the wholly illogical play of his opponent
    Posted by darich
    so why moan about it?  thats why we have BRs so we can ride the variance when our AA gets beat by 34 runner runner flush.

    i mean tis not even a big pot either in BB terms.

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  • phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
    edited October 2009
    Thanks guys for feeback.  I posted it in a kinda shocked state, not on the loss because as Scotty said, its not for a huge amount.  Mere - it's only the 2nd hand Ive ever posted and it's not mean to embarass the guy - I never even thought about changing his alias.  I agree that post flop its gonna get through if I have AK/AQ but I was just flabberghasted with the reraise pre and then the call of the re-reraise pre.  The runner runner flush was simply the icing on the cake!

    At the end of the day, we want these calls all day long when holding Aces so it's not a gripe as such.  Just a sick, sick outcome :)

    Now to try and win it back today!!!
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  • JingleMaJingleMa Member Posts: 1,319
    edited October 2009

    I have to largely agree with Mere and Scotty.

    Although it looks terrible at first glance, what people should not forget, is that this is cash.

    If the above play had been carried out by Hansen or Antonius, we would all be discussing their "higher level" of thinking.

    For example, that monster hand recently between Antonius and the online pro where Antonius ended up calling on the river with king high (and winning), could only have been played between either two of the best or worst players in the world. (Incidently, that pot was over $300k).

    Now I accept it is almost certain that the villain here is not a pro, however the above still stands.

    This is the difference between cash and tournament poker. Many more "creative" (experts will even call them sophisticated) plays can be justified, and if you play cash, you have to accept that you will run into them more frequently than in tournaments, and thus the suck outs will look that much worse when they do happen like above.


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  • JingleMaJingleMa Member Posts: 1,319
    edited October 2009

    Oh yeah, and you've got nothing to worry about Phil, I'm sure you're going to win it back and then some. 8- />
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  • Hale72Hale72 Member Posts: 1,000
    edited October 2009

    Hi Merenovice, I did actually put in my original post that the all in push was to represent strength hoping Phil has a big ace and had totally missed.

    I still cannot see how or why he tried to protect his small blind with a hand like 4 3 off and am still looking at you for what the probabilities are that with 3 4 off you are playing the board.

    The ratio of playing the board would actually tell me whar percentage a hand like this is impossible to win with as by playing the board, the best he can possibly hope for is a split pot.

    Information like this can actually prove useful to anyone here for future reference as during bubble play on a DYM I myself have found myself in the BB with hands like this after a shove by a relative shortie. Now my usual thinking is any 2 cards etc. but if the odds are highly stacked that I would only end up playing the board then Is it worth even putting a few chips into a pot to try and get rid of a micro stack?

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  • JingleMaJingleMa Member Posts: 1,319
    edited October 2009

    Hi Hale, I don't think he was trying to "protect" his small blind.

    He just tried out a funky play with the min raise which in his position would look like super strength, it just so happened that Phil had the pilots.

    Totally imo of course. 8- />
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