wel if i call im out so im guessin it does make it a good fold Posted by mrlogic
I think most people would agree that this is incorrect, and perhaps little naive.
Its the kind of menatilty that is hard to put across. Either you get it or you dont. Winning the tourney is immaterial. Great for you that you went on to win though sir!
When your talking of overall poker strategy, there needs to be consistency. Having your game be correct, is prefferable to the variance of winning the odd s+g. Rational thinking play will equal more gains, short term gains regardless.
Perhaps you are beat on this flop. But we need to considor opponents range here. Which you are likely crushing. But more importantly is the bet sizings. 3 betting this portion of your stack to fold on such a connected board, when isolated pre, is just never going to work out long run.
Again, very happy for you that you took it down. But there is some really worthwile posts in this thread that you may want to think about. Everyone is on a curve bud.
Mr sikas, most peoples point is he has invested nearly 50% of his stack and to fold with Trips at this stage of the tourney is never going to be good.
It could be a very good fold and ultimately he still won so thats the main thing he could have dodged a bullet but made it harder for himself in doing so
Indeed when he gets raised on the flop he can’t then raise fold putting in half his stack.
He should imo be folding to the raise or shoving
Oppo’s range is what – KK/QQ/JJ - flush draw –
If vill has an ace then that’s just a cooler, 55 is very possible but how do you fold trip aces at this stage on an MTT and feel happy that it was good.
Can you say long term it’s the right thing to do.
It’s only a good fold when it’s correct so … how many times this will be a correct fold if we consider folding to the first raise on the flop ?
i know im gonna get flamed...but i think this is a v.good fold...although i dont know if i could make it myself Villain 4bets flop all in he/she defo has an A or 55.... now mrlogic only beats A2,A3,A4, and is behind to A5 + A7-AK Posted by sikas
If he's going to fold trips, fold after he gets min raised. If you think there is a possibility you might be behind, don't 3b/fold the flop, flat the raise and allow him to continue with any bluffs.
fwiw its worth i think the decision in this instance may have been a good one, BUT i dont much like to preflop/ post-flop bet-sizing
also i wouldnt have taken this line...i would lead out-call, check raise shove turn as villain could 3bet any Pair, flush draw, or even be 3bettin light, but when he 5bet shoves i think his range is polarised to Ax or 55
fwiw its worth i think the decision in this instance may have been a good one, BUT i dont much like to preflop/ post-flop bet-sizing also i wouldnt have taken this line...i would lead out-call, check raise shove turn as villain could 3bet any Pair, flush draw, or even be 3bettin light, but when he 5bet shoves i think his range is polarised to Ax or 55 Posted by sikas
the point is the whole thought process of 3betting then deciding what to do when we get 4bet is just wrong, the only reason he should be 3betting here is to get stacks in and so he should be snap calling a shove.
"the point is the whole thought process of 3betting then deciding what to do when we get 4bet is just wrong, the only reason he should be 3betting here is to get stacks in and so he should be snap calling a shove."
quote from grantorino
"yeah he is often behind when villain 4bets. But readless you cant 3b/f this strong a hand, its bluffing with a strong hand and better never folds"
Two very good points.
Can you talk us through your thought process on the flop please. Not a dig at op just might be easier to explain why this happened and what your thoughts were at the time.
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Its the kind of menatilty that is hard to put across. Either you get it or you dont. Winning the tourney is immaterial. Great for you that you went on to win though sir!
When your talking of overall poker strategy, there needs to be consistency. Having your game be correct, is prefferable to the variance of winning the odd s+g. Rational thinking play will equal more gains, short term gains regardless.
Perhaps you are beat on this flop. But we need to considor opponents range here. Which you are likely crushing. But more importantly is the bet sizings. 3 betting this portion of your stack to fold on such a connected board, when isolated pre, is just never going to work out long run.
Again, very happy for you that you took it down. But there is some really worthwile posts in this thread that you may want to think about. Everyone is on a curve bud.
your postfop line is terrible, and your raise size pre is too big also
It could be a very good fold and ultimately he still won so thats the main thing he could have dodged a bullet but made it harder for himself in doing so
Indeed when he gets raised on the flop he can’t then raise fold putting in half his stack.
He should imo be folding to the raise or shoving
Oppo’s range is what – KK/QQ/JJ - flush draw –
If vill has an ace then that’s just a cooler, 55 is very possible but how do you fold trip aces at this stage on an MTT and feel happy that it was good.
Can you say long term it’s the right thing to do.
It’s only a good fold when it’s correct so … how many times this will be a correct fold if we consider folding to the first raise on the flop ?
this is clearly in the wrong section since op isn't taking onboard what people said.
3 bet folding this flop is laughable.