Black mass is just trying to get a bite! shush! :P
I only help players who play alot lower than me (and 'friends') That's all I'm qualified to help anyway. There aren't many levels I've beaten, nl4 is one of them!!!!
Also I've said that helping others helps me to help myself, so it's quite selfish also! :P
Haha no not at all. haven't even played a hand of proper poker yet so nowhere near drunk. Again, I can give you a list of names, better than me, with worse records, and worse than me, with better records. And see if you agree. I'm positive you will agree. It'll be quite obvious really when you see the list of names. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I can picture your list but you're trying to compare apples and pears.
It's like slalom and downhill, flat racing and steeplechase, marathons and middle distance. Some exponents can be good at both, but most are good at one or the other.
I assume you mean good cash players who have a poor mtt record but that has nothing to do with donks winning tournaments. You're not trying to tell me they always meet the lucky donk who wins the tournament. Look in on the major mtt's on Sky or anywhere else and you will see the same players featuring in the final stages week in week out.
I'm well aware that some will slate this post but a serious question. Does anyone else feel in an MTT that certain players ( who seem to cash consistently ) tend to hit cards more often than most , or maybe that bigger stacks will 90% outdraw smaller stacks. Just out of open - to very good player and regular casher , who i wont name but trust me is a very well known player with huge sucsess , blinds 10 / 20 , i raise to 80 with A A , he makes it 240 , i make it 800 , he calls. flop comes 8 6 5 , i shove expecting him to have K K or Q Q etc , he snaps with 5 5 and to rub salt into wound turns quads!!!! 1. preflop with 1800 stack he calls 800 with 5 5 , really ???? Surely that is shove or fold , and the fact i raised and then re-raised his re raise must tell him he is behind. If he feels im on AK,AQ etc or total rubbish he just shoves surely???? 2. i have experienced similar againts 3 other regular cashers in last 3 or 4 tourneys , am i just being silly or do some players seem to catch pretty much everything they chase? I know as i said at the start that a number of people will say im being ridiculous, but im certain more will agree. Either way let me know your thoughts please Many thanks Posted by acerag83
In the last 3 weeks i've been outdrawn SOOOOOOO often, and in those instances i've nearly always had more chips than the other guy.
Some people maybe luckier than others, but to say they always hit or the big chip stack always beats the smaller chip stack is a little naive imo. Isn't the open a rebuy this evening ? If it is then calling with 5/5 in that situation is well worth it. Posted by AcidMan27
How is 5/5 worth it in a situation when he is obviously dominated?
@ Elsadog, if he would be down to 1800 if he folded he could just rebuy then anyway and have 3800.
In this scenario 80ish% of the time he will have to rebuy for £11 and will have only 2000 chips 20ish% will not have to rebuy and will have 4000 chips, Surely on average he is throwing away £8 every time he makes this play?
In all seriousness have you considered this. Say you are considering playing a £10 tourney so it will cost £11. Click onto Sky Vegas select roulette. Say you decide to put £5 red or black. Then maybe £3 odd or even. That leaves £3 which could be 3 individual £1 bets on 3 specific numbers. Over time this may well offer you a better return on your money. Think of the time you will save too. No waiting around for 2 hours just to get sucked out on by some ditz that decides K-rag represents +ev and winning absolutely nothing. As long as you are disciplined and only invest money earmarked for tourneys you avoid all the frustration and boredom that tourney play causes and be better off financially. I strongly suggest that any average or below poker player gives this some thought. The whole operation will take less than 30 seconds. Job's a good'un. No bad beat stories too. Just a simple honest punt for your cash In the time you save you can read books or watch films. Over a year you will be a lot wiser and happier. (Obv. tailor your roulette bets maybe better, i just made it up off the top of my head.) Posted by BLACK_MASS
You must be joking about advising people to play roulette right???
In Response to Re: A little help here : You don't play many rebuys do you? Posted by elsadog
BTW that wasn't supposed to be sarcastic but an honest question. But surely 80% of the time he is simply throwing away £11 when he could just fold and rebuy to get 3800 chips anyway?
80% he loses and rebuys £11 for 2000 chips 20% he wins, pays nothing and has 4000 chips If he folds he could pay £11 and have 3800 chips 100% of the time.
The OP raises 3x - standard raise. The villain re-raises to 240 from 1800 stack. The OP re-reraises to 800. The villain still has 1k and can rebuy up to 3000 if the flop is bad. Standard rebuy tactics. A lot depends on how much £11 means to you. Many good players play to win and rightly or wrongly believe that a good starting stack is imperative to that. Also depending on what other games he may be in he will understand that some mtts will be throwaways each evening. If he is a winning player who can take down the big prize-money then he will probably set himself a limit to his rebuys in any mtt and work up to that limit.
Go and watch any mid to high stakes rebuy on PS and you will see this kind of play again and again. The villain did nothing wrong IMO - standard rebuy tactics.
You are being a naughty cynic Pod1. I made a relative statement. Altho tbf Dohhhh is Don_90's personal coach.Don is lucky to have a better player guide/force him thru the hoops. I hope you are not mocking Dohhhhs philanthropic traits ? I think it's laudable. I personally wish i were better positioned to offer valuable insight. My failure. Also Dohhhh you are being naughty because i am not simply a wum as you can well calculate. On a serious note however.... As far as the mtt argument goes i am not in a position to say. There clearly is a perception bias at work here. Perhaps a master of both such as lolraise could surely inject some wisdom here. This debate shouldn't be a recipe for acrimony. As an outsider i find it interesting because i don't understand tourney play at all. I thought it was all about luck and poker basics. This clearly isn't the case and it's a concrete science. How so ? I really want to know because i have tried to work it out and failed. That irritates me. So are some successful mtters just the recipients of positive variance ? It's possible depending on the sample size. You don't get these ambiguities in long-term cash. That is the nature of the differing disciplines. Tom Dwan once remarked that to be successful in a mtt, " just run good ". Are there ways of breaking out of the 'inevitable maze' of tourney play elsadog, to change destiny within a tourney format, evade the cooler death-traps and turn it into a consistently winning strategy over time ?
Well there are hundreds of thousands of MTT players out there who are much better players than Phil Hellmuth, who have never won, and never will win a WSOP bracelet.
Yet that plonker is walking around with 12? is it? or 11? I dunno.
There's probz 100s of MTT players on sky much worse than me that have won 8pm main events.
Haha no not at all. haven't even played a hand of proper poker yet so nowhere near drunk. Again, I can give you a list of names, better than me, with worse records, and worse than me, with better records. And see if you agree. I'm positive you will agree. It'll be quite obvious really when you see the list of names. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Dohhh ya know i luvs ya so so much , please please send me the list yeah ??
I will even end this post without a debbydobby yeah ??
You are being a naughty cynic Pod1. I made a relative statement. Altho tbf Dohhhh is Don_90's personal coach.Don is lucky to have a better player guide/force him thru the hoops. I hope you are not mocking Dohhhhs philanthropic traits ? I think it's laudable. I personally wish i were better positioned to offer valuable insight. My failure. Also Dohhhh you are being naughty because i am not simply a wum as you can well calculate. On a serious note however.... As far as the mtt argument goes i am not in a position to say. There clearly is a perception bias at work here. Perhaps a master of both such as lolraise could surely inject some wisdom here. This debate shouldn't be a recipe for acrimony. As an outsider i find it interesting because i don't understand tourney play at all. I thought it was all about luck and poker basics. This clearly isn't the case and it's a concrete science. How so ? I really want to know because i have tried to work it out and failed. That irritates me. So are some successful mtters just the recipients of positive variance ? It's possible depending on the sample size. You don't get these ambiguities in long-term cash. That is the nature of the differing disciplines. Tom Dwan once remarked that to be successful in a mtt, " just run good ". Are there ways of breaking out of the 'inevitable maze' of tourney play elsadog, to change destiny within a tourney format, evade the cooler death-traps and turn it into a consistently winning strategy over time ? Posted by BLACK_MASS
In 2004 I used to get a young player railing my games. He would rail any decent mtt player and learn. He went on to be the world number one mtt player for a number of years. He didn't have some run good to achieve that - he was/is good. There are numerous mtt players on Sky who show an mtt ROI in excess of 50% over a number of years. I have been profitable in mtt play for 10 years - every year but one. Now was that 9 years of run good or one year of run bad?
Being continually successful in mtts means you have to overcome the high variance of mtts. It's not easy but it's very achievable. The way to overcome the ''cooler death traps'' is to have sufficient chips to live through them. An ability to not go into panic mode and the tenacity to rebuild again. To achieve that an ability to pick your opponent and the relevant chip stacks is paramount.
The OP raises 3x - standard raise. The villain re-raises to 240 from 1800 stack. The OP re-reraises to 800. The villain still has 1k and can rebuy up to 3000 if the flop is bad. Standard rebuy tactics. A lot depends on how much £11 means to you. Many good players play to win and rightly or wrongly believe that a good starting stack is imperative to that. Also depending on what other games he may be in he will understand that some mtts will be throwaways each evening. If he is a winning player who can take down the big prize-money then he will probably set himself a limit to his rebuys in any mtt and work up to that limit. Go and watch any mid to high stakes rebuy on PS and you will see this kind of play again and again. The villain did nothing wrong IMO - standard rebuy tactics. Posted by elsadog
I completely missed the fact that he could fold a bad flop, thanks for great reply.
lol blackmass,jj knows im jesting.he has helped me out many a time. what i love about your posts is there is a least 1 word in each and everyone i have to look up to double check the meaning.do you go to bed reading a dictionary? is your real name "collins" the plot thickens!
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It's like slalom and downhill, flat racing and steeplechase, marathons and middle distance. Some exponents can be good at both, but most are good at one or the other.
I assume you mean good cash players who have a poor mtt record but that has nothing to do with donks winning tournaments. You're not trying to tell me they always meet the lucky donk who wins the tournament. Look in on the major mtt's on Sky or anywhere else and you will see the same players featuring in the final stages week in week out.
@ Elsadog, if he would be down to 1800 if he folded he could just rebuy then anyway and have 3800.
In this scenario 80ish% of the time he will have to rebuy for £11 and will have only 2000 chips
20ish% will not have to rebuy and will have 4000 chips, Surely on average he is throwing away £8 every time he makes this play?
But surely 80% of the time he is simply throwing away £11 when he could just fold and rebuy to get 3800 chips anyway?
80% he loses and rebuys £11 for 2000 chips
20% he wins, pays nothing and has 4000 chips
If he folds he could pay £11 and have 3800 chips 100% of the time.
Please explain as I am really confused...
A lot depends on how much £11 means to you. Many good players play to win and rightly or wrongly believe that a good starting stack is imperative to that. Also depending on what other games he may be in he will understand that some mtts will be throwaways each evening. If he is a winning player who can take down the big prize-money then he will probably set himself a limit to his rebuys in any mtt and work up to that limit.
Go and watch any mid to high stakes rebuy on PS and you will see this kind of play again and again. The villain did nothing wrong IMO - standard rebuy tactics.
I hope you are not mocking Dohhhhs philanthropic traits ? I think it's laudable. I personally wish i were better positioned to offer valuable insight. My failure.
Also Dohhhh you are being naughty because i am not simply a wum as you can well calculate.
On a serious note however....
As far as the mtt argument goes i am not in a position to say. There clearly is a perception bias at work here. Perhaps a master of both such as lolraise could surely inject some wisdom here. This debate shouldn't be a recipe for acrimony. As an outsider i find it interesting because i don't understand tourney play at all. I thought it was all about luck and poker basics. This clearly isn't the case and it's a concrete science. How so ? I really want to know because i have tried to work it out and failed. That irritates me.
So are some successful mtters just the recipients of positive variance ? It's possible depending on the sample size. You don't get these ambiguities in long-term cash. That is the nature of the differing disciplines.
Tom Dwan once remarked that to be successful in a mtt, " just run good ".
Are there ways of breaking out of the 'inevitable maze' of tourney play elsadog, to change destiny within a tourney format, evade the cooler death-traps and turn it into a consistently winning strategy over time ?
I will even end this post without a debbydobby yeah ??
debraaaaaaaaaaa xx
In 2004 I used to get a young player railing my games. He would rail any decent mtt player and learn. He went on to be the world number one mtt player for a number of years. He didn't have some run good to achieve that - he was/is good. There are numerous mtt players on Sky who show an mtt ROI in excess of 50% over a number of years. I have been profitable in mtt play for 10 years - every year but one. Now was that 9 years of run good or one year of run bad?
Being continually successful in mtts means you have to overcome the high variance of mtts. It's not easy but it's very achievable. The way to overcome the ''cooler death traps'' is to have sufficient chips to live through them. An ability to not go into panic mode and the tenacity to rebuild again. To achieve that an ability to pick your opponent and the relevant chip stacks is paramount.