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Call or Raise?
Dudeskin8
Member Posts: 6,228
Multitables - Once seen just flat 5x raise pre w/QQ, Call minraise pre w/QJ, call flop and turn bets with TP, reraise river bet with same.
| UP4ITRUTWO | Small blind | £0.05 | £0.05 | £8.50 | |
| Zeextenr | Big blind | £0.10 | £0.15 | £4.17 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| x | Raise | £0.40 | £0.55 | £7.19 | |
| Dudeskin8 | Call | £0.40 | £0.95 | £9.72 | |
| Ratsioli | Fold | ||||
| HiItsDuke | Fold | ||||
| UP4ITRUTWO | Fold | ||||
| Zeextenr | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| x | Bet | £0.48 | £1.43 | £6.71 | |
| Dudeskin8 | |||||
Comments
I would flat
you have blockers to a nut straight so your only worried about flushing cards on turn
when he checks blank turn then take him to the town called value
I'm flatting, looking for a blank then potting it at turn. Likely opting for pot control or folding with a dirty card. We only have a pair of 8's
I would say no we don't want them to fold we want them to call so we can extract as much value as possible.
If they decide to make bad decisions and pay over the price then that's good for us.
Even if your giving them margianl odds to call then it's still good for us.
If they end up getting there then we can do nothing about that, all we can do is get value while we are ahead.
Should we raise here ? The best option for us is if worse calls the raise.
Worse may call a bet but less likely to call a raise, so making worse hands to fold is not good.
We could be behind so we are taking ourselves to value town.
We also open ourselves up for a raise/shove on us and with 88 this is not great, are we calling a shove.
Plus if oppo calls we are playing an inflated pot on the turn with a weak value hand.
If we raise here we are effectivley turning our hand into a semi bluff and IP then maybe it's not that bad as it may also get better to fold.
If your raising here then you need to be certain your going to follow through and call a shove or shove on a raise because raising then folding here is just bad IMO.
This.
We can trade being OOP for the betting lead however, tieing into Pods line.
You can raise, just for value though, not to find out where you are
Personally I think raising is too thin v the range that continues. Imo if you raise it has to be with the intention of getting it in without excellent reads that he flats worse
Pod, if you take down the pot with a mediocre hand here, you made the worse hand fold (usually a 6 outer) which is not good.
If he calls (and I wouldnt expect a call often) I wouldnt really know where I stood, and pot is big. Prob ahead and have to get it in but who knows and there arent many good cards for us
If he raises we are not sure where we are. His range beats us, but it might include a lot of hands we flip with and we have 6 outs v overpairs.
If we raise fold here we are turning a hand with good equity against villains range into a bluff
Now this is not the same as betting for info, your essentially just trying to protect your hand and take down the pot there and then. But with the bet to protect your are always b/f.
So would anyone suggest that betting to protect a vulnerable hand to an outdraw is fine.
This could be a classic time with 88 to bet to protect, but maybe not to raise and protect.
Very high risk raise protection line.
example:
you opt to call 3x raise IP with A2spades
flop comes down QQ2
checked to you, are you:
betting to protect (take down pot) ? betting for value ? checking behind with showdown value ? checking behind, betting blank turn ? betting as a semi bluff, if called going to fire again and rep a Q ?
Did flat in the end then get this.
My standard would be to flat again, this guy looks kinda bad passive though, I might fold