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Right call or calling station?
DrSharp
Member Posts: 1,213
I made the call at the end as you can see.
Basically, i am looking at myself as i am on a real losing streak at the moment. Some of it variance, some of it absolutely shocking from me. Confidence has taken a hit so i am just after a look at this please.
No reads.
How'd i do?
Do you call all the time on the river?
Basically, i am looking at myself as i am on a real losing streak at the moment. Some of it variance, some of it absolutely shocking from me. Confidence has taken a hit so i am just after a look at this please.
No reads.
How'd i do?
Do you call all the time on the river?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ANGLINGMAN | Small blind | 40.00 | 40.00 | 1945.00 | |
| asr147 | Big blind | 80.00 | 120.00 | 7835.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| marco2505 | Fold | ||||
| TiPe | Fold | ||||
| DrSharp | Raise | 200.00 | 320.00 | 5970.00 | |
| SUZ | Fold | ||||
| ANGLINGMAN | Fold | ||||
| asr147 | Call | 120.00 | 440.00 | 7715.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| asr147 | Check | ||||
| DrSharp | Bet | 220.00 | 660.00 | 5750.00 | |
| asr147 | Call | 220.00 | 880.00 | 7495.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| asr147 | Check | ||||
| DrSharp | Check | ||||
| River | |||||
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| asr147 | Bet | 560.00 | 1440.00 | 6935.00 | |
| DrSharp | Call | ||||
Comments
30 left outta 80ish, top 10 get paid.
bet flop bigger,
river call is fine,
Flop might bet bit more but not awful.
Turn fine.
River gotta call, he saw you check turn so might think his Qx is good.
2) If called, my hand has potential to win someones entire stack if i hit flop full in the face.
3) If called and i miss flop, i have a good chance of having position on everyone else aswell as being the pre flop aggressor which allows me to rep something.
4) If everything goes pete tong, i have'nt invested much.
Thats my thinking.
what did he have?
But I think as played I would call too, pretty much for the reasons Dudeskin says above, the check turn may convince him his Qx is good, personally wouldn't feel confident enough he doesn't have the FH or flush to raise/shove though, unless I had reads on him..
Like the bet size. Raise EP small, c-betting smaller on most flops. As it stands we connect, getting the opportunity to make our hand at a discount through streets.
Like it.
flatting the river is fine raising the river would be pointless as if he shoves over the top you have to fold and then basically just bled chips you didn't need to flat river lose min. if he has the flush played it perfect !
If there is a hand to be fearful of it is spades, but it doesnt seem like he has it.
But my main reason for flatting is the small ball strategy we discussed. If we are opting to take the small ball/nip & tuck line, then popping it goes against the grain. We've made our hand. We've made it cheaply and its disguised. We are either bluff catching or dominated here mostly. No need to turn it up a notch on this board.
But I really like the way you play the hand. Seems like at the turn your river 1pr hands will be good, as will be completing the staight. Your stack is healthy enough to take multiple lines here. You could bet the turn if you get the impression (from at table dynamic) he releases, but think a check is also fine. As he will also be c/fing alot of rivers also, balanced with making and not making your hand.
I like the pre flop bet size, I like the flop bet, especially if you were firing that size on virtually all boards. I think c/cing river is best line.
FWIW alot of players limp to call a raise here pre. You take control and give yourself multiple ways to take this pot down. But you equally keep firm control on the pot size, never putting youself in a needlessly bad spot.
1. Its a (Im assuming low stakes) sky bounty hunter, do you take it down pre often?
2. You have 75BB and SB has only about 25BB, so implied odds are limited. Also you wont hit flop better than a weak pair or draw too often against opponents who dont like folding
3. Yeah sure, but you are prob against guys that wont fold any pair/draw
4. Fair enough
Again I dont mind the open, I would just consider some of the above points when deciding whether to open or fold, I think its pretty dependent on villains
I would argue no.
I'd rather be raised than flatted when opening here pre.
I'd rather be raised by a real hand than flatted when opening here pre. EDIT (apologies, meant this rather than above.)
On one level I agree that with the SB being relatively short we could give this one a miss.
But on another level there are a huge number of reasons to get involved here. But as said, to lead same half pot bet on most flops. IMO we shouldnt be raising here, especially this amount, looking for folds from the blinds. I'm going to be far happier getting a call from one, seeing a c/f on most flops, or getting value on a connected board. It goes south, its a marginal loss. But there are advantages gained from the marginal loss in terms of dynamic and image.
Yeah obv we want 1 caller who c/f (This is what I meant about being weak postflop) , but how often does that happen is the key question. There are not many flops we can get value on imo unless we make 2 pair plus. Not sure how much worth it is to our image unless we get to showdown, which we prob wont too often when we lose
As I said I think the open is ok, and I usually open myself in this kind of spot without thinking too much about it. I feel this may be a leak though as the tendencies of villains behind will have a big impact on whether opening is good (and also whether it makes much difference that its 65s instead of 83o or something)
The rest of what you say implies that the oop caller connects, and connects strongly enough to continue. Which we both know is more unlikely than likely.
If we come up against resistance we suffer a 2.5 - 6 bb loss from a stack of 75 bb's. Other than this we have position and betting lead, with a hand of potential, vs the blind who will c/f flop or turn enough for the blinds flat to be profitable. More profitable than the scenario where blinds fold pre
A couple of points raised on this thread i need to address.
Firstly, a couple of comments about my bet sizing on the flop. With this stack, i am playing small ball stuff and if i hit the nuts or miss the flop, its getting bet half pot regardless. I am just trying a different strategy at the moment.
Secondly, Dazler said i should maybe bet turn, now i may be right or wrong here, but my opinion on this is that i have a nice drawing hand on the flop so bet after being checked to i bet half pot (small ball stuff) and get flat called, villain checks the turn to me after i miss the draw, i feel my aggression on the flop has won me a free river card to see if i hit or even rep something if the conditions suit. If i bet turn and villain calls, its going to risk me more chips on the river to have a stab at winning the hand due to the inflated pot. Be interesting to hear your views Dazler on this way of thinking.
Thirdly, Grantorino, i hope my original reply to you did'nt come across as a bit mardy, it certainly was'nt intended that way. You asked for my reasons, and i put my thinking down. You have been a massive influence on my game, hope it didnt come across badly in any way.
Finally, i would have been happy to take the blinds without seeing a flop, but i also thought that with a hand like this, i had a back up plan or two if called. It gave me options, flushes, straights and 2 pair dont hit often but if the flop is reppable then i am confident i can get it through (if i am not repping villains hand lol) and it is also disguised if i do hit a big hand. Yes the small blind has a relatively small stack but the big blind has a nice stack and i cant remember what the button had.