Its a shame. I was quite looking forward to the SPT this yr. I have seen better structures in casinos with half that buy in and 120 ish players with a start time of 8pm running weekly.
Being as it is a `tour` I wouldve expected a much slower structure so people can get a feel of playing a bigger tourney
Its a shame. I was quite looking forward to the SPT this yr. I have seen better structures in casinos with half that buy in and 120 ish players with a start time of 8pm running weekly. Being as it is a `tour` I wouldve expected a much slower structure so people can get a feel of playing a bigger tourney Posted by OMahonyO
I would say the new ammended structure is fine. It was proven last year that it left for plenty of play and finished generally spot on the predicted time of between 12pm and 1am. Yes there may be better "structures" in casino games, but i bet they are not 30 min blinds 5k starting chips or else you will be starting at 8 and finishing at 5am
In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts : I would say the new ammended structure is fine. It was proven last year that it left for plenty of play and finished generally spot on the predicted time of between 12pm and 1am. Yes there may be better "structures" in casino games, but i bet they are not 30 min blinds 5k starting chips or else you will be starting at 8 and finishing at 5am Posted by FlashFlush
Every tuesday at my local casino they do £20 f/o 8k chips, 25 min levels. It finishes at about 4am which doesnt bother me. I understand ppl prefer an earlier finish though
Its a shame. I was quite looking forward to the SPT this yr. I have seen better structures in casinos with half that buy in and 120 ish players with a start time of 8pm running weekly. Being as it is a `tour` I wouldve expected a much slower structure so people can get a feel of playing a bigger tourney Posted by OMahonyO
Designing Tournament structures is governed by various factors.
I can design, as can SPT Rich, any structure which fits the criteria. I've also played "better" structured (= slower, faster, whatever tickles your fancy) Live Poker Tournaments, almost nightly for 10 years until the last year or so.
The design criteria here from Up Above was concise.
1) It needs to finish at a "sensible" time, as our Player-Base are regular working people, who are not used to playing poker until 5am.
2) It needs to recognize that the Team who run it - SPT Rich, the Staff, the TV Crew, myself, cannot reasonably be expected to work non-stop from 11am until 6am.
3) To create the best possible structure within that remit means starting in the afternoon.
So, it's been designed to start at 2pm, & finish not long after Midnight.
It's not possible - 100% GUARANTEED - to design a better structure within those critera. That's a fact, not an opinion.
If the Criteria are wrong, fine, the Structure could be different, but for now, those were the design criteria.
FWIW, the SPT is not ALL about the Main Event. It was witnessed by almost everyone who attended last year's SPUKT, (& I attended every Leg) that there was more mirth, fun, laughter, & "feel-good" about the One Table PTP SNG's, which the Presnters played back-to back, for as long as 12 hours at a time. So room need to be created for those, too.
This year, after play in the Main Event finishes, (by which time the Staff would have done 16 hours straight, without a break), we will be playing PTP SNG's, & Tighty SNG's, until about dawn, I imagine.
It's about giving the most number of people the best possible day. And we plan to do that.
In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts : Designing Tournament structures is governed by various factors. I can design, as can SPT Rich, any structure which fits the criteria. I've also played "better" structured (= slower, faster, whatever tickles your fancy) Live Poker Tournaments, almost nightly for 10 years until the last year or so. The design criteria here from Up Above was concise. 1) It needs to finish at a "sensible" time, as our Player-Base are regular working people, who are not used to playing poker until 5am. 2) It needs to recognize that the Team who run it - SPT Rich, the Staff, the TV Crew, myself, cannot reasonably be expected to work non-stop from 11am until 6am. 3) To create the best possible structure within that remit means starting in the afternoon. So, it's been designed to start at 2pm, & finish not long after Midnight. It's not possible - 100% GUARANTEED - to design a better structure within those critera. That's a fact, not an opinion. If the Criteria are wrong, fine, the Structure could be different, but for now, those were the design criteria. FWIW, the SPT is not ALL about the Main Event. It was witnessed by almost everyone who attended last year's SPUKT, (& I attended every Leg) that there was more mirth, fun, laughter, & "feel-good" about the One Table PTP SNG's, which the Presnters played back-to back, for as long as 12 hours at a time. So room need to be created for those, too. This year, after play in the Main Event finishes, (by which time the Staff would have done 16 hours straight, without a break), we will be playing PTP SNG's, & Tighty SNG's, until about dawn, I imagine. It's about giving the most number of people the best possible day. And we plan to do that. Posted by Tikay10
I`m not knocking it Tikay, I understand criteria have to be met, it was just a shame on a personal basis for me, prob because it doesnt suit my game.
However, I did not realise there was going to be so much side action going on so may be worth turning up without playing in the main tourney.
Quick question, will the final at dtd have a bigger starting stack being as its a 2 dayer, or will it be the same?
In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts : I`m not knocking it Tikay, I understand criteria have to be met, it was just a shame on a personal basis for me, prob because it doesnt suit my game. However, I did not realise there was going to be so much side action going on so may be worth turning up without playing in the main tourney. Quick question, will the final at dtd have a bigger starting stack being as its a 2 dayer, or will it be the same? Posted by OMahonyO
Sorry, I thought by your 11.41 Post, you said it was not very good, & "a shame".
In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts : I`m not knocking it Tikay, I understand criteria have to be met, it was just a shame on a personal basis for me, prob because it doesnt suit my game. However, I did not realise there was going to be so much side action going on so may be worth turning up without playing in the main tourney. Quick question, will the final at dtd have a bigger starting stack being as its a 2 dayer, or will it be the same? Posted by OMahonyO
Yes, the Grand Final has a totally different Structure, because the Design Criteria is different.
The Grand Final is a 2 day affair, with 10,000 chips & an achingly beautiful slow structure. Last year we began early afternoon on Day One, started again at 2pm on Day Two, & finished - exactly as planned - at about 11pm on Day Two.
Well done SPT Rich for amending that, & to GlumBra for looking out last year's Structure. I was to blame for not forwarding it to SPT Rich in the first place, & accept responsibility. I, in turn, will blame Orford. Anyway, it's amended now, so all is good. Posted by Tikay10
No problem that's what friend's are for. As for me, finally having a night out tonight, first time in ages. So enjoy the DYM club.
I think it's the same or similar, to last year. I confess I may be the culprit if it's wrong. I designed the Structure for the SPUKT last year, it worked well, so we decided to use it again this year. So SPT Rich asked me to find it - but I was unable to. Last year, I Blogged it, e-Mailed it, sent it to all the Cardrooms, but now I can't trace it anywhere. SPT Rich kept chasing me for it - quite correctly - but I eventullly fessed up & told him I could not find it. So he designed it, sent it to me, I said it looked about right, & he went with it. So, blame me if it's wrong. We would review it after Leg One if it was too fast, or slow, of course, but the Sky Poker Players seem quite comfy most structures. Posted by Tikay10
its a bit slow for me tk could we not have it as a velocity structure? lol
As long as there's plenty of play in it, I would hate it to be 'all in or fold' after several levels. Can anyone compare it to the tournaments on here, ie wil it be similar to Scary, Speed or Guaranteed tournaments ? Posted by ZZCop
Its probably most similar to a reg GTD trny, I wouldn't describe it as a deepstack as 30 mins and 5k chips is sort of a standard structure, the main event would deffo be described as a deepstack with 45 min blinds and 10k chips.
Same as most GTD trnys, get off to a good start and you can relax, but if you drop some chips at the start can be a hard battle getting back into it
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Well done SPT Rich for amending that, & to GlumBra for looking out last year's Structure.
I was to blame for not forwarding it to SPT Rich in the first place, & accept responsibility. I, in turn, will blame Orford.
Anyway, it's amended now, so all is good.
Being as it is a `tour` I wouldve expected a much slower structure so people can get a feel of playing a bigger tourney
I can design, as can SPT Rich, any structure which fits the criteria. I've also played "better" structured (= slower, faster, whatever tickles your fancy) Live Poker Tournaments, almost nightly for 10 years until the last year or so.
The design criteria here from Up Above was concise.
1) It needs to finish at a "sensible" time, as our Player-Base are regular working people, who are not used to playing poker until 5am.
2) It needs to recognize that the Team who run it - SPT Rich, the Staff, the TV Crew, myself, cannot reasonably be expected to work non-stop from 11am until 6am.
3) To create the best possible structure within that remit means starting in the afternoon.
So, it's been designed to start at 2pm, & finish not long after Midnight.
It's not possible - 100% GUARANTEED - to design a better structure within those critera. That's a fact, not an opinion.
If the Criteria are wrong, fine, the Structure could be different, but for now, those were the design criteria.
FWIW, the SPT is not ALL about the Main Event. It was witnessed by almost everyone who attended last year's SPUKT, (& I attended every Leg) that there was more mirth, fun, laughter, & "feel-good" about the One Table PTP SNG's, which the Presnters played back-to back, for as long as 12 hours at a time. So room need to be created for those, too.
This year, after play in the Main Event finishes, (by which time the Staff would have done 16 hours straight, without a break), we will be playing PTP SNG's, & Tighty SNG's, until about dawn, I imagine.
It's about giving the most number of people the best possible day. And we plan to do that.
However, I did not realise there was going to be so much side action going on so may be worth turning up without playing in the main tourney.
Quick question, will the final at dtd have a bigger starting stack being as its a 2 dayer, or will it be the same?
Apologies if I misconstrued that.
The Grand Final is a 2 day affair, with 10,000 chips & an achingly beautiful slow structure. Last year we began early afternoon on Day One, started again at 2pm on Day Two, & finished - exactly as planned - at about 11pm on Day Two.
On a serious note, i think the structure is just fine as it is... Like tikay explained it suits the criteria perfectly...
Can anyone compare it to the tournaments on here, ie wil it be similar to Scary, Speed or Guaranteed tournaments ?
Same as most GTD trnys, get off to a good start and you can relax, but if you drop some chips at the start can be a hard battle getting back into it
See you there Graham!