Two books about him and now a film. He's Poker's Katie Price. FWIW I don't think he's good for a live show, only my opinion but the the risks far outweigh the benefits. Anyway he has live TV form as it were (I'm referencing a live tourney in Monte Carlo quite a few years ago, plenty of colourful language and a nice Hulk Hogan style reveal of his own website which did annoy the sponsors of said show, think they're not in business anymore though). He's decent for an interview piece just because of his history in the game in the UK and his popular presence in Europe. However after the event Sim detailed I personally couldn't have less interest about what he's got to say. People go on about his Twitter account, I can't remember TBH if I still follow him but it's basically a poor man's 'Stuff My Dad Says.' Posted by TommyD
In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : I think the only person who can answer whether his comments where racist is sim, not someone that lives in a microcosm in darkest donny! There are loads of colourful characters in poker, I would rather see liv boeree personally for obvious reasons. Posted by ACEGOONER
I'm not questioning what happened in that incident, but he's not the devil, pardon the pun.
He's not openly racist, he hasnt beaten up any black blokes for being black, or started a hate campaign against ethnic minorities, or owt like that, he's just borderline and that's what makes him entertaining and that's why people will watch.
You don't have to like the guy to enjoy the show. I bet you would watch!!
It's on after 9pm after all, as long as he behaves himself, get him on!!
In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : I'm not questioning what happened in that incident, but he's not the devil, pardon the pun. He's not openly racist, he hasnt beaten up any black blokes for being black, or started a hate campaign against ethnic minorities, or owt like that, he's just borderline and that's what makes him entertaining and that's why people will watch. You don't have to like the guy to enjoy the show. I bet you would watch!! It's on after 9pm after all, as long as he behaves himself, get him on!! 2 words.... John Mccrirrick Posted by DOHHHHHHH
The way I look at it is if sim interpreted devilfish's comments as overtly racist he should not be allowed near 865.
Devilfish would turn up drunk anyway, he was on poker night live a few years ago and didnt look very sober!
In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : The way I look at it is if sim interpreted devilfish's comments as overtly racist he should not be allowed near 865. Devilfish would turn up drunk anyway, he was on poker night live a few years ago and didnt look very sober! Posted by ACEGOONER
The drunker the better, Sim was probably correct seemed slightly racest but is silly to say if sim judges it to be racest then thats enough for you, I think it was probs more like an Attemt to annoy someone to put them on tilt gone wrong.
I think trashing a well know personalities name on a public forum is dangerous. Sim says xxxx, I'm not saying this did not happen but can he substantiate this accusation? Is this on film? Does he have independent witnesses? Is this the society we now live in where someone makes a statement accusing someone who to the best of my knowledge has no previous record of racism and so it must automatically be true. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, late night poker and the Devilfish winning season one were a big part of how this whole poker boom began, it was certainly where my interest in poker started and the Devilfish was the star attraction.
If the Devilfish takes these accusations seriously and proof is not readily available this could get very expensive, libel/slander cases don't come cheap.
Im from Hll, i dont think its fair to say that, its only a reputation that is has its really not that bad!
Iv met devilfish a few times (only in a club in hull in passing) and he always had time for a good chat with everyone. The comments made to sim were obviously unacceptable and totally wrong. But thats devilfish, i think hed be an interesting one on the show, but a big risk, i think hed bring similar attributes to the show that schwartz did
Devilfish is from Hull, enough said Posted by rancid
Nothing wrong with Hull. Great City put down by people that have often never stepped foot in it!
FWIW ive met Devilfish and found him to be a top bloke. Is he racist? Judging by the company he was in when I met him id say not.
The bloke has done most of us could only dream of both in the Old School poker world and the modern day game. To have a bloke like him on the show analysing hands would be fantastic IMO.
I think trashing a well know personalities name on a public forum is dangerous. Sim says xxxx, I'm not saying this did not happen but can he substantiate this accusation? Is this on film? Does he have independent witnesses? Is this the society we now live in where someone makes a statement accusing someone who to the best of my knowledge has no previous record of racism and so it must automatically be true. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, late night poker and the Devilfish winning season one were a big part of how this whole poker boom began, it was certainly where my interest in poker started and the Devilfish was the star attraction. If the Devilfish takes these accusations seriously and proof is not readily available this could get very expensive, libel/slander cases don't come cheap. Posted by stien
Sim hasn't committed a defamation. If you look at the post he recalls an incident which he found 'offensive' and he details his recollection of the incident. At no point is there an accusation of racism by Sim in that post, just his opinion of the incident. Personal opinion is not a libel either, in legal terms there is a world of difference between 'I think you are X' and 'You are X,' but as even this hasn't occurred the point is moot.
I agree a few other people have gotten a little over the line since in this thread and people should calm it down a bit, especially about Hull (never been myself to be honest).
I feel I gave a fair evaluation of Dave Ulliot as a guest. To reiterate I think he's a great interview (which you can edit) but a worry on a live show purely down to the previous appearances I have seen him make on live shows (PNL and that Monte Carlo tournament). I agree he is an icon of UK and Europe poker and vital to it's history. This doesn't automatically mean he'd be a great live guest though.
In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : Ya I agree, I can understand everyones support cos simuk decent guy an popular player. Posted by NODEAL
It's NOTHING to do with supporting Sim in the slightest. Devilfish could have said this to a complete stranger and my opinion would be exactly the same.
As for the person who said it might be to tilt him, that makes it ok does it? Where do you drawn the line, what are you allowed to say to 'tilt someone'? It's outrageous.
I understand what Stein is saying but frankly, as I said at the start of the thread, I don't really like him anyway, I find him to be completely rude and obnoxious and I don't think it's acceptable for it be ok 'cos it's his image' and I don't think it's a case for liable as I very much doubt Sim is lying and it would be pretty easy to verify in any reputable pokerroom.
I think trashing a well know personalities name on a public forum is dangerous. Sim says xxxx, I'm not saying this did not happen but can he substantiate this accusation? Is this on film? Does he have independent witnesses? Is this the society we now live in where someone makes a statement accusing someone who to the best of my knowledge has no previous record of racism and so it must automatically be true. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, late night poker and the Devilfish winning season one were a big part of how this whole poker boom began, it was certainly where my interest in poker started and the Devilfish was the star attraction. If the Devilfish takes these accusations seriously and proof is not readily available this could get very expensive, libel/slander cases don't come cheap. Posted by stien
Magistrate Stien, We Have investigated your claims of said defamation regarding simuk and devilfish. We, Really meaning Me, Unfortunatly find that you Stien of Skypoker Is dead wrong.
Reasons for adjuducation... Failure to read said post correctly and an over all lack of savy. Due to this I have no option but to revoke your licence to practice U.C.C law.
You will also hand back to the local library your referance law book Twelve angry men along with your investigators hand book enid blytons famous 5 1st edition.
I hoe this will be the end of this rather unsavory matter.
If not, I suggest that simuk should appear on the skypoker at the same time as devilfish and should air any greviences. Tikay could be the backstage councellor, Just incase tears flow in a kind of jerry springer typ deal.
I think trashing a well know personalities name on a public forum is dangerous. Sim says xxxx, I'm not saying this did not happen but can he substantiate this accusation? Is this on film? Does he have independent witnesses? Is this the society we now live in where someone makes a statement accusing someone who to the best of my knowledge has no previous record of racism and so it must automatically be true. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, late night poker and the Devilfish winning season one were a big part of how this whole poker boom began, it was certainly where my interest in poker started and the Devilfish was the star attraction. If the Devilfish takes these accusations seriously and proof is not readily available this could get very expensive, libel/slander cases don't come cheap. Posted by stien
I have just seen this comment. Absolutely ridiculous.
First of all, if I were to take this seriously, or if DF wanted to put some sort of slander case on me then yes I would have witnesses. The guy he said it to for one... At least 4 other people on the table would definitely remember it and it would not be hard to find out the table seating for such a massive tourney as the UKIPT main event.
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i also think analysis on that show would be pretty good.
If the Devilfish takes these accusations seriously and proof is not readily available this could get very expensive, libel/slander cases don't come cheap.
FWIW ive met Devilfish and found him to be a top bloke. Is he racist? Judging by the company he was in when I met him id say not.
The bloke has done most of us could only dream of both in the Old School poker world and the modern day game. To have a bloke like him on the show analysing hands would be fantastic IMO.
I agree a few other people have gotten a little over the line since in this thread and people should calm it down a bit, especially about Hull (never been myself to be honest).
I feel I gave a fair evaluation of Dave Ulliot as a guest. To reiterate I think he's a great interview (which you can edit) but a worry on a live show purely down to the previous appearances I have seen him make on live shows (PNL and that Monte Carlo tournament). I agree he is an icon of UK and Europe poker and vital to it's history. This doesn't automatically mean he'd be a great live guest though.
As for the person who said it might be to tilt him, that makes it ok does it? Where do you drawn the line, what are you allowed to say to 'tilt someone'? It's outrageous.
I understand what Stein is saying but frankly, as I said at the start of the thread, I don't really like him anyway, I find him to be completely rude and obnoxious and I don't think it's acceptable for it be ok 'cos it's his image' and I don't think it's a case for liable as I very much doubt Sim is lying and it would be pretty easy to verify in any reputable pokerroom.
Reasons for adjuducation... Failure to read said post correctly and an over all lack of savy.
Due to this I have no option but to revoke your licence to practice U.C.C law.
You will also hand back to the local library your referance law book Twelve angry men along with your investigators hand book enid blytons famous 5 1st edition.
I hoe this will be the end of this rather unsavory matter.
If not, I suggest that simuk should appear on the skypoker at the same time as devilfish and should air any greviences. Tikay could be the backstage councellor, Just incase tears flow in a kind of jerry springer typ deal.