The Twenny-Pence DYM trial blog...

Twenny_P · December 2011

So having played a variety of games on SkyPoker over the past few months, with varying degrees of failure (more than winning) I think I have found my game in the DYM's...

So to keep a record I have decided to blog my progress on building a bank roll in DYM's...

Starting from Today (well yesterday really 7th Dec 2011):

Played 4 games at mixed stakes with 3 wins and a final loss.

Starting funds were £5.00 deposited.

Game 1 - (7/12/11 - 22.18) - DYM £2.25 entry stake - Win - Profit = £1.75

Game 2 - (7/12/11 - 22.39) - DYM £1.15 entry stake - Win - Profit = £0.85

Game 3 - (7/12/11 - 23.23) - DYM £3.30 entry stake - Win - Profit = £2.70

Game 4 - (8/12/11 - 00.03) - DYM £2.25 entry stake - Lost - Loss = -£2.25

Total Profit on session = £3.05

Current Bank = £8.05 (£8.12 actually as had 7p left over before deposited starting cash)

So a decent start to begin with..
Will attempt to play a few games each night when possible (and try to stay out of playing the MTTs for a while)

Lets see if I can get up to a decent Bank Roll and even improve my game play a little more..

Please feel free to do any of the following:
1) Join me in a game
2) Comment on the blog
3) Offer any tips or advice
4) Don't blame me for that lucky River Card that lets me double up from short stack!
5) Say hello

Hope you enjoy the ride with me..

Regards

Twenny P

EvilPingu · December 2011

Think I was on your table earlier - was trying to do too many tables at once, I ended up getting it all in against one of the other guys KQ vs. Q10 on a Q 10 x flop and bubbled

I'll have a look through hand history and see if there's anything interesting in there that might help you improve

EvilPingu · December 2011

Found this hand where you limped with QQ, then called my all in on an A high flop. As you limped pre, there was no way I thought you had a better ace, only thing I thought you could maybe have and call me with is a set of 2's or 4's, and if I ran into them then c'est la vie. I was actually pretty surprised when you called and turned over QQ.

FWIW, I was playing too many tables at once (and lost my buy-in on all of them, sigh), so I don't know whether I played the hand optimally myself either.

(Card pics and button don't want to work properly when I copy and paste them lol)

Hand History #446973242 (22:36 07/12/2011)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
connorr92	Small blind		50.00	50.00	1212.50
EvilPingu	Big blind		100.00	150.00	1570.00
	Your hole cards	9♣ A♠
Twenny_P	Call		100.00	250.00	5347.50
(D) n0000dles	Fold
connorr92	Call		50.00	300.00	1162.50
EvilPingu	Check
Flop
		A♣ 4♥ 2♦
connorr92	Check
EvilPingu	Check
Twenny_P	Bet		200.00	500.00	5147.50
connorr92	Fold
EvilPingu	All-in		1570.00	2070.00	0.00
Twenny_P	Call		1370.00	3440.00	3777.50
EvilPingu	Show	9♣ A♠
Twenny_P	Show	Q♦ Q♠
Turn
		7♠
River
		4♠
EvilPingu	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 4s	3440.00		3440.00

67Bhoys · December 2011

Good luck with it Twenny_p

1. Not playing you with that starting record your obv not value

2. The blog is a good way of focusing the mind, as you know if you do something stupid like blow your roll one drunken evening, you have to come onto ths forum and admit your a daftie.

3. If your playing at £2.25, stay away from Dudeskins tables as he is on a DYM trial too, and is not to shabby if you know what I mean.

4. We all need a life raft on the river at times mate, nobody can blame you for climbing aboard.

5. Hello

devonfish5 · December 2011

hi twenny p,good luck buddy.i,ll probably see you on the tables at some point as i too have just started playing dym,s...well 3 weeks ago actually.yes it is definately possible to grind out a profit,which is i,m guessing what we are all striving to do.taking into account a few freeroll cashes(including 1 win..£7.50ish) ..and adding on £15 cash 4 points y,day, i am nearly £90 up 4 the 3 weeks play...which i am obviously "over the moon" with.i was playing 2p/4p and 5p/10p cash but with the rakes being in my limited sxperience too high and also the number of so called "bad beats" one has to suffer on a daily basis,it just got to the stage where i thought there must be an easier or better way of playing this great game which i think we all love,or at least pretend to.hence the change to dym,s!..advice...read "the abc of dym,s "by john conner i think it,s in the blog section if not on the forum page,that,s what i did anyway.it gives great advice and providing you can stick to it,which isn,t as easy as you might think...you should be able to grind out some sort of profit.also,how many tables are you playing as that will have a great bearing on how you do?i usually start an evening session at 7pm,load up the freeroll(again are you playing them?) then start loading dym,s...i play 6 tables in total(so when out of freeroll)6 dym,s until i,ve had enough..usually around11-12pm.you need to be diciplined in everything you do,take care on each decision you make and stay focussed,don,t forget every mistake or marginal call you get wrong will add up over time..and cost you money!also if i were you with only £8.05 to play with you can,t afford to lose too many,so see if you can stick to playing the same level each session..either 20p or 50p i would suggest as any higher you could be going broke any day soon!anyway...got to go as i should be playing in the 10am freeroll not chating to you...good luck again..chat soon

devonfish5 · December 2011

just another thought,guessing you are playing just the 1 table,you should try playing 2 asap then 3 ,even 4.if you look at it logically,the more volume you play the more chances you are getting,also helps with cash 4 points.(i wrote 20p earlier should have been 25p dym)sorry! ps.the other day i won 9 out of 10 dym,s then stopped,remember it could of been the other way around and been 9 losses,so you definately shouldn,t be playing any higher than £1.oo dym with your b/roll,i think.anyway good luck with it,look forward to seeing how you get on over the next few sessions

pilgrim07 · December 2011

In Response to Re: The Twenny-Pence DYM trial blog...:

just another thought,guessing you are playing just the 1 table,you should try playing 2 asap then 3 ,even 4.if you look at it logically,the more volume you play the more chances you are getting,also helps with cash 4 points.(i wrote 20p earlier should have been 25p dym)sorry! ps.the other day i won 9 out of 10 dym,s then stopped,remember it could of been the other way around and been 9 losses,so you definately shouldn,t be playing any higher than £1.oo dym with your b/roll,i think.anyway good luck with it,look forward to seeing how you get on over the next few sessions
Posted by devonfish5

gl devonfish, I thought I hadn`t seen you on the nl4 tables for a while. I think you`ll do well at dym you`ve got a very steady game---unlike me---- when the red mist decends ..........

Twenny_P · December 2011

In Response to Re: The Twenny-Pence DYM trial blog...:

Found this hand where you limped with QQ, then called my all in on an A high flop. As you limped pre, there was no way I thought you had a better ace, only thing I thought you could maybe have and call me with is a set of 2's or 4's, and if I ran into them then c'est la vie. I was actually pretty surprised when you called and turned over QQ. FWIW, I was playing too many tables at once (and lost my buy-in on all of them, sigh), so I don't know whether I played the hand optimally myself either. (Card pics and button don't want to work properly when I copy and paste them lol) Hand History #446973242 (22:36 07/12/2011) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance connorr92 Small blind 50.00 50.00 1212.50 EvilPingu Big blind 100.00 150.00 1570.00 Your hole cards 9♣ A♠ Twenny_P Call 100.00 250.00 5347.50 (D) n0000dles Fold connorr92 Call 50.00 300.00 1162.50 EvilPingu Check Flop A♣ 4♥ 2♦ connorr92 Check EvilPingu Check Twenny_P Bet 200.00 500.00 5147.50 connorr92 Fold EvilPingu All-in 1570.00 2070.00 0.00 Twenny_P Call 1370.00 3440.00 3777.50 EvilPingu Show 9♣ A♠ Twenny_P Show Q♦ Q♠ Turn 7♠ River 4♠ EvilPingu Win Two Pairs, Aces and 4s 3440.00 3440.00
Posted by EvilPingu

Hi, Thanks for taking the time to look over my rubbish play.. :-(

I'm still learning the player reading and betting strengths.. Not sure what me style is, I am still a bit stuck in how I play live with mates.. Very mixed - tight/loose/random/chasing/bluffing... lol..

All comments and tips like this very much appreciated...

Bad run night tonight... :-(

Twenny_P · December 2011

In Response to Re: The Twenny-Pence DYM trial blog...:

hi twenny p,good luck buddy.i,ll probably see you on the tables at some point as i too have just started playing dym,s...well 3 weeks ago actually.yes it is definately possible to grind out a profit,which is i,m guessing what we are all striving to do.taking into account a few freeroll cashes(including 1 win..£7.50ish) ..and adding on £15 cash 4 points y,day, i am nearly £90 up 4 the 3 weeks play...which i am obviously "over the moon" with.i was playing 2p/4p and 5p/10p cash but with the rakes being in my limited sxperience too high and also the number of so called "bad beats" one has to suffer on a daily basis,it just got to the stage where i thought there must be an easier or better way of playing this great game which i think we all love,or at least pretend to.hence the change to dym,s!..advice...read "the abc of dym,s "by john conner i think it,s in the blog section if not on the forum page,that,s what i did anyway.it gives great advice and providing you can stick to it,which isn,t as easy as you might think...you should be able to grind out some sort of profit.also,how many tables are you playing as that will have a great bearing on how you do?i usually start an evening session at 7pm,load up the freeroll(again are you playing them?) then start loading dym,s...i play 6 tables in total(so when out of freeroll)6 dym,s until i,ve had enough..usually around11-12pm.you need to be diciplined in everything you do,take care on each decision you make and stay focussed,don,t forget every mistake or marginal call you get wrong will add up over time..and cost you money!also if i were you with only £8.05 to play with you can,t afford to lose too many,so see if you can stick to playing the same level each session..either 20p or 50p i would suggest as any higher you could be going broke any day soon!anyway...got to go as i should be playing in the 10am freeroll not chating to you...good luck again..chat soon
Posted by devonfish5

Thanks Devonfish,
I did read over JC's blog yesterday, but it was late and the head was mostly frazzled from a long day/week already at work.. but some of it did go in!! lol... I will no doubt make a copy of it to study later when i'm in a more relaxed frame of mind..

I was thinking should I stick with one value only buy in range to start with, but as I'm just staring out I thought i'd try a mix and see how I go initially... Yes I admit the £5 start is not much, (and actually is just to start off before I put my full months allowance in the pot - awaiting pay day next week)

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to look over and comment, much appreciated..

Tonights awful results to post now... Please don't bother reading!!! lol...

Oh by the way, I can't do more than 1 table at a time (at present anyway) as I like to study the game as I play and gauge the other players ranges and styles.. maybe will get on to 2 and then 3+ once i've got a handle on my play...

Cheers

Twenny..

Twenny_P · December 2011

OK, so tonight wasn't my night... :-(

Just wasn't getting any cards to start with and when I did have something I wasn't that good...

Anyway..

Todays games (8th Dec 2011):

Played 5 games at mixed stakes with 3 wins and a final loss.

Starting funds were £5.00 deposited.

Game 1 - (8/12/11 - 21.43) - DYM £2.25 entry stake - Lost - Loss = -£2.25

Game 2 - (8/12/11 - 21.59) - DYM £1.15 entry stake - Win - Profit = £0.85

Game 3 - (8/12/11 - 22.16) - DYM £1.15 entry stake - Lost - Loss = -£1.15

Game 4 - (8/12/11 - 22.28) - DYM £2.25 entry stake - Lost - Loss = -£2.25

Game 5 - (8/12/11 - 22.55) - DYM £1.15 entry stake - Lost - Loss = -£1.15

Total Loss on session = -£5.95

Current Bank = £2.17

Not a good night as you can see.. Terrible play for one reason or another..

Lesson learnt, and will need to be better next time or the BR will be spent before I start..

Going to try the smaller tables for a while to limit the damage..

Twenny Pence

devonfish5 · December 2011

thanks pilgrim07,good luck yourself buddy...cheers ...the devonfish

devonfish5 · December 2011

hi twenny p,keep trying buddy you don,t get there overnight..it,s a long long process,trust me!at least you,ve learnt something about bank roll management and the importance of playing at the correct level from y,day,s session,i hope!you also say that you are not sure about your playing style,again that,s more to do with your character as much as anything.if you are happy to gamble say £5 on the flip of a coin 50/50,then you are a gambler(my brother for example would take that bet where i wouldn,t),would you?also chasing runs & flushes etc is ok,sure you get paid when you hit especially in no limit cash games,but in dym,s you are only starting with 2000 chips remember,so you really can,t afford to be losing any.these little things don,t seem that important do they?but trust me ...they are everything!anyway keep plugging away at it,like we all do.gl

Dudeskin8 · December 2011

Was gonna post a few days ago but it might to late now....

Basically starting with a £5 BR all you can play are the 30p DYM's considering nayhting higher is just crazy, I saw you played a £3.30 near the start, that likes 2/3's of your total roll which is bad.

With just £2.17 in there now I'd advise seriously topping up like you mentioned in a previous post as you will go broke. When you do though choose a level where you have at least 20 buy ins and stick to it, not moving up to get back losses etc this is bad.

I've got a similar diary going on right now, start with £50 and £2.25 level, and as you can see it isn't all plain sailing and variance will definitely test you.

Good luck though, and run good early !

Twenny_P · December 2011

So, an update of the past couple days:
Not a good night last night.. felt a very bad run...
Had loaded an additional £10 stake money..
Stuck to 30p stake games.. but obviously not my game or night..
I was feeling under the weather with a cold, so maybe frame of mind wasn't in it?

1 lose, 1 win & another lose.. so decided as the concentration wasn't good I should walk away..

Tonight, again, 30p games, didn't start too well.. 2 loses in a row..
Then got lucky with 2 wins.. then lose, win, lose..

Wasn't another 30p game showing, so decided to step up again to the £1.15 game..

Well, that must be my level, the cards ran better, the flops fell right.. and 3 consecutive wins!!

So all in all, so far played 23 games with 12 loses and 11 wins..

From total investment so far of £15.07
I'm only down £2.50..
Bank Roll currently £12.57

So not a disaster yet.. and looking promising to get a few win runs together once I can manage to keep tighter on the first few levels.. (must stop making the odd chase bets!!)

Full running tally of all games so far in next post...

Twenny

Twenny_P · December 2011

If This Spreadsheet works?

£0.30£10.32£0.30£10.02£0.30£10.22£0.30£10.42£0.30£10.12£0.30£10.32£0.30£10.02£1.15£10.87£1.15£11.72£1.15£12.57

Total Games	23	Deposits	£15.00
Wins	11	Profit/Loss	-£2.50
Loses	12

Date & Time	Product	Description	Amount	Stake	Bank Roll
07 Dec '11 at 22:15	Payments	Deposit	£5.00	£0.00	£5.07
07 Dec '11 at 22:18	Poker	Double Your Money	£1.75	£2.25	£6.82
07 Dec '11 at 22:39	Poker	Double Your Money	£0.85	£1.15	£7.67
07 Dec '11 at 23:23	Poker	Double Your Money	£2.70	£3.30	£10.37
08 Dec '11 at 00:03	Poker	Double Your Money	-£2.25	£2.25	£8.12
08 Dec '11 at 21:43	Poker	Double Your Money	-£2.25	£2.25	£5.87
08 Dec '11 at 21:59	Poker	Double Your Money	£0.85	£1.15	£6.72
08 Dec '11 at 22:16	Poker	Double Your Money	-£1.15	£1.15	£5.57
08 Dec '11 at 22:28	Poker	Double Your Money	-£2.25	£2.25	£3.32
08 Dec '11 at 22:55	Poker	Double Your Money	-£1.15	£1.15	£2.17
08 Dec '11 at 23:46	Poker	Double Your Money	-£1.15	£1.15	£1.02
09 Dec '11 at 19.27	Payments	Deposit	£10.00	£0.00	£11.02
09 Dec '11 at 19.35	Poker	Double Your Money	-£0.30	£0.30	£10.72
09 Dec '11 at 19.47	Poker	Double Your Money	£0.20	£0.30	£10.92
09 Dec '11 at 20.21	Poker	Double Your Money	-£0.30	£0.30	£10.62
10 Dec '11 at 19:56	Poker	Double Your Money	-£0.30
10 Dec '11 at 20:34	Poker	Double Your Money	-£0.30
10 Dec '11 at 20:54	Poker	Double Your Money	£0.20
10 Dec '11 at 21:29	Poker	Double Your Money	£0.20
10 Dec '11 at 21:54	Poker	Double Your Money	-£0.30
10 Dec '11 at 22:45	Poker	Double Your Money	£0.20
10 Dec '11 at 23:13	Poker	Double Your Money	-£0.30
10 Dec '11 at 23:33	Poker	Double Your Money	£0.85
11 Dec '11 at 00:15	Poker	Double Your Money	£0.85
11 Dec '11 at 00:56	Poker	Double Your Money	£0.85

-Typhoon- · December 2011

Hi Twenny p
Like yourself and many others, i moved into to playing mainly DYM which for me was as a result of John Connors thread.

Started about 3 weeks ago, prior to which i was souly playing cash. But, my laggy play was not working, so on to dyms for 2 reasons. Try and increase my BR and put some discipline back into my game. Well it' seems to have worked on both counts.

Started off about 3weeks ago with £25 and i'm now over the £160 mark, (I have JC to thank for that) so it can be done.

The hardest thing i found was keeping track of my wins and losses so have setup a spread sheet of my own not to dis similar to yours.

The pm's don't seem to be working but if anyone wants a copy i'll gladly email them. Give me a shout on only1typhoon@gmail.com.

Good luck at the tables and with your challenge

Typhoon

Twenny_P · December 2011

In Response to Re: The Twenny-Pence DYM trial blog...:

Hi Twenny p Like yourself and many others, i moved into to playing mainly DYM which for me was as a result of John Connors thread. Started about 3 weeks ago, prior to which i was souly playing cash. But, my laggy play was not working, so on to dyms for 2 reasons. Try and increase my BR and put some discipline back into my game. Well it' seems to have worked on both counts. Started off about 3weeks ago with £25 and i'm now over the £160 mark, (I have JC to thank for that) so it can be done. The hardest thing i found was keeping track of my wins and losses so have setup a spread sheet of my own not to dis similar to yours. The pm's don't seem to be working but if anyone wants a copy i'll gladly email them. Give me a shout on only1typhoon@gmail.com. Good luck at the tables and with your challenge Typhoon
Posted by -Typhoon-

Cheers Typhoon,
What stake you playing at? Maybe see you on the tables sometime...

Twenny

Twenny_P · December 2011

**** you learning curve!!

Well, I feel i've improved my play in certain areas, and am starting to play a lot lot tighter early stages, and not so gung ho in later stages, my last couple games were actually going real well, and am starting to get a hang of bet sizing and fold ranges and folds against re-raises etc.. But when you get a beat against you you get a beat..

Maybe pair 2's was not best cards to play at this stage!!

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xxxx	Small blind		200.00	200.00	2315.00
00	Big blind		400.00	600.00	3680.00
	Your hole cards	2 2
MT	Fold
Twenny_P *	Raise		1200.00	1800.00	1640.00
xxxx	All-in		2315.00	4115.00	0.00
00	Fold
Twenny_P	Call		1315.00	5430.00	325.00
xxxx	Show	J J

But as they say thems the breaks...
Just need to smarten up on these bits...

Any way, Think I will continue with the plan as can't just give up now... plenty to work on and will eventually get the better game plan soon..

Currently stands:

Played: 32
Won: 13
Lost: 19

I do put some of the weekends bad play down to illness and lack of proper concentration, so when I'm 100% again I may get a reverse streak and string some wins together..

Next stage is further and improved 'notes!'... :-)

Twenny P

Dudeskin8 · December 2011

With 2's at 200/400 you have to be shoving or folding, you 100% can not be raise/folding ANYTHING especially a pair which is pretty big at this stage.

In this spot though you have 2800 at 4-handed and are VERY safe, well at least in terms of knowing the blinds passing through take you to 2200 which is still a perfect stack to scare other players from calling light, so IMO open folding is the best play as you're not the shortest stack so not under the most pressure.

Twenny_P · December 2011

Hi People,
Not updated for a while. Been playing as often as posible.
Mixed results, but getting better. Although, overall I'm still more loses than wins.

Total Games	64	Deposits	£40.00	per Game
Wins	31	Profit/Loss	-£11.55	-£0.18
Loses	33		-29%

BANK ROLL - £28.52

Deposited an additional £25.00 on 15th to get a decent starting sum in place.

Was going to work on playing up levels each day, start at 30p and if won that move to 60p and so on up to max £3.30 level, but if I lost i would drop back down a level - but didn't work out that way.

I actually played a £5.50 game other day - and WON!! which was good to boost the funds back up.
But didn't play another one. lol..

I have now decided to play in level where I have minimum 30 buy ins, so this is currently £28.52/30p = 95p so playing 60p games. (means I need a positive 17 wins to move up to £1.15 level - but may decide on going to 25 buy ins if I can get a few good runs at 60p for now)

Have set out my Strategy to a fixed plan as well - Very Tight early stages and opening up a little mid-late stages - Seems to be working ok.

There are the odd silly mistake still and the odd bad luck runs, but it is poker after all so having Aces against 6 3 off suit for them to hit 4 5 7 can't be helped!!

Since my £25 deposit i'm showing a £3.30 profit - which has to be good. (13 loses - 18 wins)

Well that's it for now.

Just have a question for anyone who is interested:
What do you think to Bounty Hunters?
Would it be possible to run a similar strategy of regular play in the BH's and run a profit?
Could you builder a better/bigger Bank Roll in them as opposed to against DYM's?

Cheers all

Twenny-P

devonfish5 · December 2011

hi Twenny P,

good that u r in profit like u say "has to be good"
u,ve got 2 remember that there a lot of cash players especially,
who would like to be able to say that!

so,if i were u i,d just stick with it
the only thing with dym,s is the more games you are able to play in any one session
the more chance of winning you have,i believe.
so again i can,t stress enough the importance of multi-tableing.

if u r playing either 1 or 2 tables,try playing 3 then 4,
you soon get used 2 it and i think you will see an overall improvement.

as 4 bounty hunter,s
not sure,i personally don,t like them
but my brother loves them and i know he has had some good results
from them.

could u build a better/bigger bank roll from them?

why not try playing a few low stake ones
and see how you get on,
i,d be interested.

bye 4 now
devon

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Hand History #446973242 (22:36 07/12/2011)