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Can we raise river as played?
ilove2h8pr
Member Posts: 148
Sorry for putting up a live hand here but its seriously bugging me. Will give as much detail as possible.
Playing a 25/50p cash game at my local. I've been on a serious heater, never seen anything like it. Am connecting massively with every hand. I think I flopped about 7 sets and a few straights.
Normally I'm pretty rocky, but table has gone from 8 handed to 4 handed and everyone is about 300bb's deep.
Because of the heater I limp the button with Kd8d, SB raises 4x (pretty solid, mainly just plays his hands, BB calls (normally a good Lag but is tilting). I call.
I flop top two, on a Kc 8c 3d flop. SB quickly checks. BB leads potish, something like £5 into £6. I make it £16.25, loking for action from a bigger K or club draw. Initial pre flop raiser cold calls my raise, as does the BB who opponed the flop.
I think there's about £40 in there. Kc 8c 3d 5h. Seems like a afe turn. SB checks, as does the BB. I dont get the SB line at all. Can only think he has A's K's or AK, slowplaying. I bet £22 which they both Call.
Around £100 in pot, everyone has about £100 or so in their stack.
Kc8c3d5h Js. Now the SB leads out for £33, which the SB calls quickly. I dont think he'd ever call with a plain one pair hand.
Read wise the SB doesnt usually play like this. I thought there was a reasonable shot he'd play K's this way, but also maybe KJ. I'm not overly worried about the BB calling the river lead from the SB. I decide to just call with the concealed two pair, winning vs AK (SB) and Jc5c (club draw backing into two pr).
I know the limp pre is bad, just playing the heater. But as played is just calling river awful?
At the time I didnt think that the players would call a shove by me on river with a worse hand, but I dont see how SB leads out then folds to a shove, or that the BB releases his bad two pair.
Playing a 25/50p cash game at my local. I've been on a serious heater, never seen anything like it. Am connecting massively with every hand. I think I flopped about 7 sets and a few straights.
Normally I'm pretty rocky, but table has gone from 8 handed to 4 handed and everyone is about 300bb's deep.
Because of the heater I limp the button with Kd8d, SB raises 4x (pretty solid, mainly just plays his hands, BB calls (normally a good Lag but is tilting). I call.
I flop top two, on a Kc 8c 3d flop. SB quickly checks. BB leads potish, something like £5 into £6. I make it £16.25, loking for action from a bigger K or club draw. Initial pre flop raiser cold calls my raise, as does the BB who opponed the flop.
I think there's about £40 in there. Kc 8c 3d 5h. Seems like a afe turn. SB checks, as does the BB. I dont get the SB line at all. Can only think he has A's K's or AK, slowplaying. I bet £22 which they both Call.
Around £100 in pot, everyone has about £100 or so in their stack.
Kc8c3d5h Js. Now the SB leads out for £33, which the SB calls quickly. I dont think he'd ever call with a plain one pair hand.
Read wise the SB doesnt usually play like this. I thought there was a reasonable shot he'd play K's this way, but also maybe KJ. I'm not overly worried about the BB calling the river lead from the SB. I decide to just call with the concealed two pair, winning vs AK (SB) and Jc5c (club draw backing into two pr).
I know the limp pre is bad, just playing the heater. But as played is just calling river awful?
At the time I didnt think that the players would call a shove by me on river with a worse hand, but I dont see how SB leads out then folds to a shove, or that the BB releases his bad two pair.
Comments
So you dont think flatting river is that bad then? Can I ask why? I finished massively up and felt this was a spot I missed out on.
But at the same time, if I shove here on river, I think they both would have called then the game would have been done. I managed to play for an hour or so more, continuing to run super hot.
Even if other people say that flatting is bad, do you think it can be a case of "shearing a sheep" many times?
Always amuses me when someone latches on to one element of a post to be rude. Even when you have no idea of my table image, opponents played against or dynamic, or my reasons for limping the button. As though its just plain dumb to limp in every spot, always. Some individuals are so arrogant, believing that they always think their way is the right thing, when they just have no idea about the context of a table.
Snap judgment for the win!!
rather than cryin about it, think about why i said it
For as many reasons to raise, there are reasons to limp in certain spots. But I'm sure that reading part of one hand out of a a 4 hour session makes you qualified to be right.
Just laughable, really is, the egomania. In the OP I even say it aint great limping in. Trust some egomaniac to just jump on it anyway.
In this spot am happy to raise or limp for a wide variety of reasons. Its funny how ppl auto demean from the armchair dynamics they have never seen.
Don't know what dynamic would make you limp button with that hand ?
call river
TwennyP
open limpin the button is BAD, there are no "dynamics", there is no "blinkered view", and there is not a "wide variety of reasons" to ever open limp button in this spot, its just BAD!...
im not an egomaniac, im not a pro, ill never be a pro, & i dont wanna be a pro. i play the game as a hobby & if i make a bit of dosh along the way then great! im pretty new to the game but ive done ok for myself so far, cant complain & tbh the game interests me, i like discussin it & if any of the stuff i write here helps players a bit then great! if ppl think im talkin rubbish then cool, obviously i want to learn alot more myself!...but im not the type of guy to sugarcoat stuff, ill basically just say stuff how i see it, if it upsets ya then go grow a set! tough love ftw imo
if you actually noticed other ppl who have posted in this thread (opinions from players who i think you should listen too) have said exactly the same thing as me & tbh i promise 99% of the players who have read this will think exactly the same, some may sugarcoat it, others wont bother replyin, & maybe somebody will write an essay for ya on whilst open limpin the button is bad but its all the same thing. my view is your playin nl50, your talkin about reads, lines, dynamics etc i honestly shouldnt have to explain to you why open limpin the button sucks.
rather than thinking "this guy is a complete tool, who the **** does he think he is" think about why i have said it, it will be alot more valuable to you! if you honestly think that there are valid reasons for limpin the btn, cool, carry on! i honestly could care less, but your just deludin yourself...if you genuinely dont realise & wanna know my reasons for limpin the btn is bad then ill happily drop you a pm.
gl at the tables anyway sir, you have my word i wont comment on any future hands you post.
I understand the thought process, but it be more profitbale raising button than limping even on a heater )
May aswell go down the local bingo hall
or maybe just explain what dynamic would make limping the button more profitable in the short term let alone long term