Is this a call??

Batkin88

Obv a very strong player playing well over ten tables at the time so cant really think he is at it here, but is there a correct play here?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
offshoot	Small blind		£0.50	£0.50	£109.40
Batkin88	Big blind		£1.00	£1.50	£97.50
	Your hole cards	8 8
lolufold	Raise		£4.00	£5.50	£217.13
GliterBabe	Fold
ezryder	Fold
varney	Fold
offshoot	Call		£3.50	£9.00	£105.90
Batkin88	Call		£3.00	£12.00	£94.50
Flop
		5 5 7
offshoot	Check
Batkin88	Check
lolufold	Bet		£9.00	£21.00	£208.13
offshoot	Fold
Batkin88	Raise		£24.00	£45.00	£70.50
lolufold	All-in		£208.13	£253.13	£0.00
Batkin88

potattoooo

why did you raise the flop?

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: Is this a call??:

why did you raise the flop?
Posted by potattoooo

this

rancid

In Response to Re: Is this a call??:

In Response to Re: Is this a call?? : this
Posted by SHANXTA

that

Batkin88

to shut hand down and didnt want him betting into me on the turn (which would happen) when likely there would be over cards

beaneh

In Response to Re: Is this a call??:

to shut hand down and didnt want him betting into me on the turn (which would happen) when likely there would be over cards
Posted by Batkin88

if there are overcards and he doesn't have them but he's still betting that's good for us no?

by raising you are just folding out all worse and having him put in all better right? if so thats pants. don't do it.

if you think he thinks you can be raising for info/raising and folding alot raise and do a call. but have an idea as to whether you want to stack off before you raise.

Batkin88

yeah i thought i was ahead and when i made the raise i had very intention of getting it in but when he came back over the top it just didnt seem right knowing he was on so many tables

potattoooo

In Response to Re: Is this a call??:

In Response to Re: Is this a call?? : if there are overcards and he doesn't have them but he's still betting that's good for us no? by raising you are just folding out all worse and having him put in all better right? if so thats pants. don't do it. if you think he thinks you can be raising for info/raising and folding alot raise and do a call. but have an idea as to whether you want to stack off before you raise.
Posted by beaneh

plz post more

potattoooo

In Response to Re: Is this a call??:

yeah i thought i was ahead and when i made the raise i had very intention of getting it in but when he came back over the top it just didnt seem right knowing he was on so many tables
Posted by Batkin88

by raising you are allowing him to bluff you very easily

mickgil75

UR 88 looks good,but i reckon he had jj.when u have a pkt pair on ur table,usually 2 others have aswell,thats why there,s loadsa all ins in mtt,in my xperience,it was a good fold.ul

mickgil75

PS.I don,t think u were bluffed.

nug82

I would say he is rep A,Q suited or above. I think a call would have been the correct play as above the raise invited the all in bluff. I personally would have called and re-**** on the turn.

LnarinOO

u cant c/r fold ever i dont think.. but heres some math to see if call is plus EV against a fair range.

i stoved 8c8d against this range 99+,AJs+,KJs+,QJs,AQo+... which i think is a fair range on this board texture for lolufold shoving range.. its hard for any overs to be dead and obv any pair is also 3 bet shoving flop.. 

our equity is 46% against this range.. so ..

EV = (0.46 x +116) + (0.54 x -70.5)

EV = (53.4) + (-38.1)

EV = £15.30

i think my math is correct, and if it is on average we will make £15.30 agaisnt £0 if we fold. its a +EV call agaisnt this range. 

does anyone think this range is too wide? 

DOHHHHHHH

I dunno how u do post flop ranges on stove but I assume your   ,AJs+,KJs+,QJs,  are only suited in hearts right????

And what is AQo+ doing in there???? 

LnarinOO

i think AKos and AQos can be in his range as BAtkin88 isn't repping much and basically i would look at his rangne as any 7x hand 99, 88, 66,maybe 10's.. i think lolufold can 3bet bluff a hand like AK AQos with some equity if called.. ?? i no i would ..!

rancid

either way behind or way ahead - pot control flop
v lol_folds range Batkin is a slight dog (99+,AJs+,KJs+,QJs,AQo+)
depends what percentage of the time lol_fold flips bluffs

should be -EV for Batkin to call I think without doing the maths )

rancid

even if you stick some bluffs, Batkin not looking great

55+,ATs+,KTs+,83s,A9o+

DOHHHHHHH

I'd prob put it as JJ+ & AKhh, AQhh, AJhh, AThh, KQhh

LnarinOO

ive done the math and its +EV but thats on the range i gave which i thinks a fair one but maybe to wide but defo possible

rancid

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I'd prob put it as JJ+ & AKhh, AQhh, AJhh, AThh, KQhh
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Probably more on the money, don't think batkins looking at more than 40% equity ie. fold :S

rancid

In Response to Re: Is this a call??:

u cant c/r fold ever i dont think.. but heres some math to see if call is plus EV against a fair range. i stoved 8c8d against this range 99+,AJs+,KJs+,QJs,AQo+... which i think is a fair range on this board texture for lolufold shoving range.. its hard for any overs to be dead and obv any pair is also 3 bet shoving flop..  our equity is 46% against this range.. so .. EV = (0.46 x +116) + (0.54 x -70.5) EV = (53.4) + (-38.1) EV = £15.30 i think my math is correct, and if it is on average we will make £15.30 agaisnt £0 if we fold. its a +EV call agaisnt this range.  does anyone think this range is too wide? 
Posted by LnarinOO

Effective stack  is 94.50
Someting don't seem right dude

Time of action look at what Batkin has, not total - i think :S