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Is this a call??

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  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited January 2012
    i think EV neutral is ~38% . so if its only suited range plus pairs then its defo a fold.. 

    and rancid i done that presuming that 46% of the time we will win £116 which is the £70.50 lolufold puts us in for + £45 already in the pot.  we cant include (our £70.5) what already ours..just what we'll win ..

    how would u do the math as maybe im wrong??
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Is this a call??:
    i think EV neutral is ~38% . so if its only suited range plus pairs then its defo a fold..  and rancid i done that presuming that 46% of the time we will win £116 which is the £70.50 lolufold puts us in for + £45 already in the pot.  we cant include (our £70.5) what already ours..just what we'll win .. how would u do the math as maybe im wrong??
    Posted by LnarinOO
    It's been a while, have to read up a little - thought it was amount at the time of the action

    May just be confused :s

  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited January 2012
    yea but the action we want to work out is after we c/r the flop.. theres £45 in the pot with £70.50 behind, as we cant take any out the pot we work from here.. and maybe it too wide of a range but i done 46% of the time we will win the whole (profit) £116. 

    and 54% of the time we will lose £70.50 that we call .. 

    i think EV neutral is ~ 38% so need equity higher than this to show profit if we call 

    and i would call after raisin this flop but wouldn't raise flop myself :)
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Is this a call??:
    yea but the action we want to work out is after we c/r the flop.. theres £45 in the pot with £70.50 behind, as we cant take any out the pot we work from here.. and maybe it too wide of a range but i done 46% of the time we will win the whole (profit) £116.  and 54% of the time we will lose £70.50 that we call ..  i think EV neutral is ~ 38% so need equity higher than this to show profit if we call  and i would call after raisin this flop but wouldn't raise flop myself :)
    Posted by LnarinOO

    yeah, something like that - need to get my chicken in oven - emmm sunday roast )
    Think your right m8ty
    • Call and hit = win x (total pot)

    • Probability of hitting =

    • Call and miss = lose x (amount to call only)

    • Probability of missing =

     

     

    Still a fold )

  • elldixon18elldixon18 Member Posts: 64
    edited January 2012
    Just stepping out of the math war Batkin I'm looking at the table and wondering where the value at this cash game is? There's an old phrase that comes to mind (sorry!).
  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited January 2012
    top point elldixon, table select better imo.

    As for the action, if you are check/raising to induce the shove then do a little dance and call. Personally I wouldn't of checked raised this at all, you invited all hands that we are crushed vs/at best flipping vs to shove and all his bluffs that he might double barrell to fold.


    I also came to the conclusion that it's a call maths wise, but I would imagine its high variance in the long run.
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited January 2012
    dont raise, when you do you should be intending to call
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