Swog's bankroll challenge.

Dudeskin8

NL4 hands you posted.

1. Looks fine, if he had more you could possibly fold to shove.

2. Initial raise should be a bit more at least 16p at NL4, when he 3bets you it's a snap fold, KJ is a decent raising hand but you don't want to be calling OOP with it as most flops you will be check-folding and losing money. As played you ot lucky and played it well from there but still a fold pre.

3. Yep arise again on flop looking to get it in. Bet pot on river.

4. Fold or raise preflop, OOP I prefer a fold. Flop is just a cooler.

5. I like to reshove here as it gets others out the way, if you call like here then it is to induce others into the pot and you HAVE to call if they shove.

Swog

Just completed my 2nd session of the day. (£1.10 Deepstack and 2 NL4 cash tables)
Cash table 1) Early top-up of £1, then ran my bankroll up to £7.12 in a 2 hour grind. Profit of +£2.12 
Cash table 2) Another early top-up of £2.86, where i was rivered, but as played i shouldn't have paid of his river value bet (hand below). 2 hours later i had gained a few BB's back for the end of the session. Profit of -£2.11
Tournament table 3) This was the £1.10 £100 guarenteed deep stack which i'm looking to play every day, if possible. Didn't start well with me being 50% of my stack down by level 3. However, i doubled up through a large stack with my first ROYAL FLUSH ever, the board shown a flush on the river, and the opponent didn't believe my over bet shove, with the 10 of diamonds i took the pot down. After a little bit of card dead syndrome a hand was played where i gained a healthy sized pot, when i flopped top pair and an ace high flush draw, by the turn the chips went in and i was looking at a king high flush draw, the river came the flush for both, which won me the pot with the absolute nuts. I was still however fairly below average chips and needed to hit a few hands, however a good read by myself picked of a big river bluff with 3rd pair to the board, seeing me become 10th out of around 40 remaining players. I then survived to the money bubble of 20th, and then found myself in the top 10 with average stack, stealing blinds as i went along. As the 3rd hour of play arose and chipstacks where relatively low compared to blinds, my final hand was upon me, with 12 big blinds i 3bet shoved the chip leader with KK's preflop, to be beaten by a set of QQ's. The hand pretty much played itself. i finished 8th out of 102 competitors for a £4.08 cash. Look forward to the same tournament tomorrow, with the hope of going one step further. Profit of +£2.98

Overall profit of +£2.99 for this session (Bankroll £95.16. C4P 208)

NL4			£1.10 Deepstack
Minutes played:	409		Games played:	1
Hours played:	6.82		Cashes:	1
Profit:	£2.97		Cash %:	100.0%
Profit/hour:	£0.44		Final tables:	0
BB/hour:	10.89		Final table %:	0.0%
			Wins:	0
			Wins %:	0
			Winnings:	£4.08
			Profit:	£2.98
			Profit/game:	£2.98

1) Did i lose value here with my Aces, or should i be happy with the profit i made given villains hand?

gpam	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£6.06
TPS	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.81
	Your hole cards	A A
Dendrobe	Fold
Swog	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£4.50
69joe	Call		£0.12	£0.30	£4.44
gpam	Call		£0.10	£0.40	£5.96
TPS	Fold
Flop
		3 Q 8
gpam	Check
Swog	Bet		£0.32	£0.72	£4.18
69joe	Call		£0.32	£1.04	£4.12
gpam	Fold
Turn
		9
Swog	Bet		£0.60	£1.64	£3.58
69joe	Call		£0.60	£2.24	£3.52
River
		K
Swog	Bet		£1.00	£3.24	£2.58
69joe	Call		£1.00	£4.24	£2.52
Swog	Show	A A
69joe	Muck	Q 10
Swog	Win	Pair of Aces	£3.92

2) Is there a cause for flatting pre to trap others in?

craigly12	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.25
Swog	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.82
	Your hole cards	K K
newskooler	Fold
clubhammer	Fold
newyorkgaz	Raise		£0.08	£0.14	£3.26
TONTOB	Fold
craigly12	All-in		£1.25	£1.39	£0.00
Swog	All-in		£3.82	£5.21	£0.00
newyorkgaz	Fold
Swog	Unmatched bet		£2.59	£2.62	£2.59
craigly12	Show	J A
Swog	Show	K K
Flop
		Q 6 6
Turn
		K
River
		7
Swog	Win	Full House, Kings and 6s	£2.42

3) Don't think i played this well what so ever, shouldnt have called the river bet... is the call pre-flop okay gived the implied odds?

Swog	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.80
leoncupra	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.27
	Your hole cards	J 4
clubhammer	Fold
harvestmoo	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£1.80
TONTOB	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£3.72
spursDS23	Fold
Swog	Call		£0.02	£0.16	£3.78
leoncupra	Check
Flop
		J 4 8
Swog	Check
leoncupra	Check
harvestmoo	Check
TONTOB	Bet		£0.12	£0.28	£3.60
Swog	Raise		£0.48	£0.76	£3.30
leoncupra	Fold
harvestmoo	Fold
TONTOB	Call		£0.36	£1.12	£3.24
Turn
		2
Swog	Bet		£0.80	£1.92	£2.50
TONTOB	Call		£0.80	£2.72	£2.44
River
		A
Swog	Check
TONTOB	Bet		£1.36	£4.08	£1.08
Swog	Call		£1.36	£5.44	£1.14
TONTOB	Show	A A
Swog	Muck	J 4
TONTOB	Win	Three Aces	£5.03

4) Am i okay to get it in here with 2nd pair and a flush draw on the flop, given i'm only being called by an Ace, i must be 50-50 here, with 2pair and trips outs to?

69joe	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.12
cerys18	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.92
	Your hole cards	9 8
totty22	Raise		£0.08	£0.14	£0.73
Tacklebery	Call		£0.08	£0.22	£3.36
Swog	Call		£0.08	£0.30	£3.81
69joe	Fold
cerys18	Call		£0.04	£0.34	£1.88
Flop
		9 3 A
cerys18	Check
totty22	Bet		£0.34	£0.68	£0.39
Tacklebery	Fold
Swog	Raise		£0.72	£1.40	£3.09
cerys18	Fold
totty22	All-in		£0.39	£1.79	£0.00
Swog	Call		£0.01	£1.80	£3.08
totty22	Show	K A
Swog	Show	9 8
Turn
		10
River
		7
totty22	Win	Pair of Aces	£1.66

EvilPingu

I'm on a pretty similar bankroll to you at the moment. However, you seem to be playing more cash whereas I'm playing mainly low stakes DYM's and the odd £2.30 BH, so will be interesting to compare my diary thread to yours and see which is the best way of building a bankroll.

Without wanting to de-rail your thread, what's Maths @ Uni like? I'm still at College atm, will be applying for Uni next year, and thinking of doing a Maths degree.

Good luck building the bankroll up BTW

Swog

Thank you i've played you a few times, here and there. Had a little look at your thread and i'm keen to see how you progress to. I'm waiting till i reach £110 before i play DYM's, starting of at £3.30's to avoid the bigger rake.

My maths degree isn't the easiest, its a huge jump from a-level maths, but if you enjoy maths and have a good knowledge of it then go for it. I'm only just getting to grips with the pace of it all.

Maybe, we could challenge each other to see who meets a certain bankroll target first?

Good luck with the bankroll challenge and with college work. See you on the tables.

Swog

Another question, when would i be rolled for £3.30 DYMs? in your opinion?

EvilPingu

In Response to Re: Swog's bankroll challenge.:

Thank you i've played you a few times, here and there. Had a little look at your thread and i'm keen to see how you progress to. I'm waiting till i reach £110 before i play DYM's, starting of at £3.30's to avoid the bigger rake. My maths degree isn't the easiest, its a huge jump from a-level maths, but if you enjoy maths and have a good knowledge of it then go for it. I'm only just getting to grips with the pace of it all. Maybe, we could challenge each other to see who meets a certain bankroll target first? Good luck with the bankroll challenge and with college work. See you on the tables.
Posted by Swog

Yeah, I'm up for that, even though I'll probably lose, lol. I probably make most of my money from rakeback, so getting to any target might take me a while :P

Swog

After another hourly mid day session sat at the cash tables heres how i got on:
Cash table 1) After winning 3 decent sized pots late on in the session (+£2.14, +£1.94 and +£0.83) i sat out with a stack of £7.88. Profit of +£3.88
Cash table 2) It seems like i lost little pots over and over on this table, mainly with check folding flops that i didn't hit, made a nice bluff catcher call with Ace high on a double paired board to take down a 30BB pot. Profit of -£0.10
Cash table 3) A weird table where i was down through most of the session here, but then turned it around with a late flourish at the end. A weird hand played out where i got check raised on the river with top pair top kicker that i was sure was good, i folded and was down by £1, a few mistakes from my opponents and some kickers over kickers in my favour saw me leave with £5. Profit of £1

Overall profit of +£4.78 for the session (Bankroll £99.94. C4P 220)

NL4Minutes played:543Hours played:9.05Profit:£7.75Profit/hour:£0.86BB/hour:21.41
Not long until i should be grinding the £3.30 DYM's aswel. Heres a few hands played today, thanks for reading...


1) should i have checked behind, or was a small value bet okay here?

nffc4eva	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.15
bbb10	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.79
	Your hole cards	A Q
tracey1969	Fold
winsawin09	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.72
Swog	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£6.35
nffc4eva	Fold
bbb10	Call		£0.16	£0.46	£3.63
winsawin09	Fold
Flop
		A K 7
bbb10	Check
Swog	Bet		£0.35	£0.81	£6.00
bbb10	Call		£0.35	£1.16	£3.28
Turn
		K
bbb10	Check
Swog	Check
River
		3
bbb10	Check
Swog	Bet		£0.44	£1.60	£5.56
bbb10	Raise		£1.97	£3.57	£1.31
Swog	Fold
bbb10	Muck
bbb10	Win		£1.88		£3.19
bbb10	Return		£1.53	£0.16

2) is calling the big 3bet shove on the flop with TPTK a winning play?

Micknick	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.10
scryer03	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.17
	Your hole cards	10 A
Swog	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£5.64
brian1988	Call		£0.16	£0.38	£2.30
Micknick	Fold
scryer03	Fold
Flop
		8 5 10
Swog	Bet		£0.32	£0.70	£5.32
brian1988	All-in		£2.30	£3.00	£0.00
Swog	Call		£1.98	£4.98	£3.34
Swog	Show	10 A
brian1988	Show	2 10
Turn
		7
River
		9
Swog	Win	Pair of 10s	£4.60		£7.94

3) played itself i think?

Swog	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.03
brian1988	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.98
	Your hole cards	K K
Micknick	Fold
scryer03	Fold
johnm69	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£1.28
Swog	Raise		£0.72	£0.98	£2.31
brian1988	Call		£0.70	£1.68	£2.28
johnm69	All-in		£1.28	£2.96	£0.00
Swog	All-in		£2.31	£5.27	£0.00
brian1988	Fold
Swog	Unmatched bet		£1.57	£3.70	£1.57
Swog	Show	K K
johnm69	Show	J J
Flop
		10 K 10
Turn
		Q
River
		9
Swog	Win	Full House, Kings and 10s	£3.42		£4.99

4) Similar hand 2, same question?

FADAM	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.63
nffc4eva	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.27
	Your hole cards	10 A
bbb10	Fold
tracey1969	Fold
MICKSAFC	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£1.40
Swog	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£5.30
FADAM	Fold
nffc4eva	Fold
MICKSAFC	Call		£0.16	£0.46	£1.24
Flop
		10 9 5
MICKSAFC	Check
Swog	Bet		£0.36	£0.82	£4.94
MICKSAFC	All-in		£1.24	£2.06	£0.00
Swog	Call		£0.88	£2.94	£4.06
MICKSAFC	Show	10 8
Swog	Show	10 A
Turn
		4
River
		10
Swog	Win	Three 10s	£2.71		£6.7

5) weird hand where he had min raised me on the turn before, so i though i'd call and see what he did on the river, should i have called his bluff on the river, given his small bet?

pike320	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.07
madmonk808	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.35
	Your hole cards	6 A
doherty851	Fold
Swog	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£2.93
pike320	Fold
madmonk808	Call		£0.08	£0.26	£3.27
Flop
		8 7 7
madmonk808	Check
Swog	Check
Turn
		5
madmonk808	Check
Swog	Bet		£0.13	£0.39	£2.80
madmonk808	Raise		£0.26	£0.65	£3.01
Swog	Call		£0.13	£0.78	£2.67
River
		5
madmonk808	Bet		£0.32	£1.10	£2.69
Swog	Call		£0.32	£1.42	£2.35
madmonk808	Show	2 J
Swog	Show	6 A
Swog	Win	Two Pairs, 7s and 5s	£1.31

Swog

After many more cash sessions that i haven't updated on here due to lack of interest my current stats look like this:

NL4
Minutes played:	3456
Hours played:	57.60
Profit:	£33.91
Profit/hour:	£0.59
BB/hour:	14.72

C4P - 510 (Target 1000)
Bankroll - £113.35
Monthly profit (since start of thread) - £24.14 (£1.20 to charity so far)


I've ditched the idea of playing heads up, deep stacks and DYM's as i'm enjoying cash so much and making nice hourly profits. Can any one encourage me to bring some other types back into my game?

Dudeskin8

Hiya mate, my only advice would be to use hands played as opposed to time played as this is a guarenteed figure that is set in stone, judging time is often tricky and mistakes are made. Also with bb/100 hands you get a good idea of  how your doing e.g I think around 5bb/100 is actually quite decent.

Swog

comment noted, however how would i be able to judge how many hands i've played an hour, wouldn't that be just as tricky as working out how many hours ive played per table? I've got a pretty efficient process with working out how long i'm at a table for, obv course o've got to give or take a little bit.
I've took average hands as 90 per hour and added the following to my spreadsheet:

NL4
Minutes played:	3456
Hours played:	57.60
Profit:	£33.91
Hands played	5184
Profit/hour:	£0.59
BB/hour:	14.72
£/100:	65.4%
BB/100:	16.35

Hopefully when i reach around 50k hands i would have a reasonable sample size to work out approximate win rates, so my 155BB/100 maybe a little skewed, but still decent with approx 5k hands.

Is 90 the average hands played ?

Swog

As for mistakes, the only data i edit is 'minutes played' and 'profit' by adding numbers after each session, all the rest is automatically generated.

Dudeskin8

I presume you're playing NL4 if so then for every 1 point you earn you've played 10 hands, so always make a note of your points before you start then just do some math or rather let your calculator do it lol.

E.g. you start on 340 points and finish on 369 means you've played 290 hands.

Also if you play MTT/STT these poinst should be taken away so figures aren't distorted etc.

Swog

But don't you only get contribution towards for the hands you contribute to the pot. So for example if i open fold UTG, that wouldn't be counted as a 'hand' as i haven't contributed anything to the pot.