In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : 1) It won't go away, because there is nothing to go away from. 2) Sky Poker run, & finance this Community, & have every right to ensure the Rules are followed for the benefit of all. It will continue to exercise that right. Exactly what "ridiculously important information" do you suggest Sky Poker are with-holding? Sky Poker have never, do not, & have no plans to, support third-party software such as HEM. Posted by Tikay10
Tikay
Thanks for your reply but I am very confused about all of this as are no doubt many other regular players. I'm not going to single out individuals but we have all seen a screenshot of what appears to be some form of HEM display on several cash players and some very familiar names.
Sky dont support HEM which you have clarified and is fine, however, for a technically minded individual it does seem possible to overide this and gain an unfair advantage on other players, or am I missing something blatantly obvious here.
I wonder if it is possible for Sky Poker to know if people are using unauthorised poker tracking software while playing on Sky, apart from people like glifulose openly admitting it!
I would guess that it isn't and there is probably nothing that can be done to stop/discourage people from using whatever software they want on their own PC's?
The important thing is that Sky has made it clear that they don't endorse or support any particular Holdem Manager so im clear and happy abot this. I guess what people chose to do on their own PC is up to them?
In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : Tikay Thanks for your reply but I am very confused about all of this as are no doubt many other regular players. I'm not going to single out individuals but we have all seen a screenshot of what appears to be some form of HEM display on several cash players and some very familiar names. Sky dont support HEM which you have clarified and is fine, however, for a technically minded individual it does seem possible to overide this and gain an unfair advantage on other players, or am I missing something blatantly obvious here. Posted by ACEGOONER
+1, whats gunna happen? These techno guys just gunna carry on using hud seen as sky cant stop it or is someone gunna be a friendly chap and give us all step by step intructions on how to get it working
In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : Ok, But you are NOT denying that skypoker real money players have been using software to give themselves hand history grabbing, a databse of their hands played on sky poker, and a ingame Heads Up Display??? as has een proven in this thread. **** there's even links to websites on how. Posted by BeccaBlack
I dont quite see how that would work, if someone wanted my stats for a heads up display, then would need access to all my hand history. As far as I am aware the only person who can see my entire hand history from my actiivty on Sky.. is me.
But I'm sure if I am wrong about this I will be told.... quickly...... and often.... by a lot of people ;o)
In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : Ok, But you are NOT denying that skypoker real money players have been using software to give themselves hand history grabbing, a databse of their hands played on sky poker, and a ingame Heads Up Display??? as has een proven in this thread. **** there's even links to websites on how. Posted by BeccaBlack
It does not need denying, the statement was unequivical.
Sky Poker have NO IDEA what sort of stuff some of their players may or may not download.
What they can say is that Sky Poker DO NOT support downloadable Hand-Histories, and DO NOT have any relationship or compatability with these Third Party software Sites, & have NO KNOWLEDGE of any player being able to do this.
If players can, or think they can, mess about with unofficial software, we cannot stop them, & have no idea what they can or can't access, beyond the staement above by "Sky Poker".
Be assured, "nothing to see here". The only information ANY PLAYER can access is his or her own. Unless of course someone else shares a Password with them, over which, of course, we have no control.
1. Ok the last thread was deleted through legit reason, no tinfoil hats here 2. Some person posted a link to a twitter by tikay way outta context from many months ago. obv this has no relevance whatsoever lets ignore it 3. true or not, from what i have read in this thread, spoken to glifulose and seen the skyscraper website this is how i currently feel: http://i.imgur.com/3I4FJ.png Posted by BeccaBlack
1. Ok the last thread was deleted through legit reason, no tinfoil hats here 2. Some person posted a link to a twitter by tikay way outta context from many months ago. obv this has no relevance whatsoever lets ignore it 3. true or not, from what i have read in this thread, spoken to glifulose and seen the skyscraper website this is how i currently feel: http://i.imgur.com/3I4FJ.png Posted by BeccaBlack
In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : I dont quite see how that would work, if someone wanted my stats for a heads up display, then would need access to all my hand history. As far as I am aware the only person who can see my entire hand history from my actiivty on Sky.. is me. But I'm sure if I am wrong about this I will be told.... quickly...... and often.... by a lot of people ;o) Posted by JockBMW
yeah this isn't what i'm saying, but if SKYPLAYER plays 5000 hands with you then he has a 5000 hand heads up display with your vpip/pfr/3bet/fold to turn raise stats,
In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : I dont quite see how that would work, if someone wanted my stats for a heads up display, then would need access to all my hand history. As far as I am aware the only person who can see my entire hand history from my actiivty on Sky.. is me. But I'm sure if I am wrong about this I will be told.... quickly...... and often.... by a lot of people ;o) Posted by JockBMW
Jock if ive played a thousand hands agaisnt you then i will be able to use my hand histories to see what your stats are. i dont need every hand youve ever played, just the ones youve played against me.
In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : It does not need denying, the statement was unequivical. Sky Poker have NO IDEA what sort of stuff some of their players may or may not download. What they can say is that Sky Poker DO NOT support downloadable Hand-Histories, and DO NOT have any relationship or compatability with these Third Party software Sites, & have NO KNOWLEDGE of any player being able to do this. If players can, or think they can, mess about with unofficial software, we cannot stop them, & have no idea what they can or can't access, beyond the staement above by "Sky Poker". Be assured, "nothing to see here". The only information ANY PLAYER can access is his or her own. Unless of course someone else shares a Password with them, over which, of course, we have no control. Posted by Tikay10
What it seems to me you are saying is
"There are no offical tracking software for skypoker, but an unoffical software to do the same thing is entirely possible to make, skypoker has no clue if pepole are already using this, has no way too tell if people are using it, and no way to stop it"
Thank you to Tikay and SkyPoker for the full and frank replies. From my standpoint:
1) Fully understand the reason for the first thread deletion, I believe I put in my original post in this thread that I felt this was a possible reason.
2) The screenshot can easily be fake (this is a big difference from saying it is fake though in case you are reading GLIYLose). I have to disagree with some of the above posters, people can easily be sad enough to take the time to make one of these. Also, as I said on my post earlier, there is a HEM panel missing on that pic. I have never used HEM (I personally think using HUDs is borderline cheating but again just my opinion, these products are however very useful and rightly used for post session analysis) but from the original thread there are some inconsistencies with the figures in that pic. As far as I am aware (prepared to be corrected as I don't use HUDs) stats and hand counts are only made by games you play/rail while having HEM running (or upload massive HHs). The original thread stated they were running it for 5 minutes, hard to get a hand count in the thousands in 5 minutes. And if they uploaded a HH bank then they know what they are doing it for.
3) I warn against naivety. I am more than sure that plenty of people have tried to form their own software for online poker. You should never be staggered to learn the sophistication and excellence some people can achieve in programming in the modern age. This would be attempted and maybe accomplished without the knowledge of an organisation or online site, Skypoker included.
I guess deep down you have to ask yourself do you believe the original poster. It's a stand point you can only make personally.
In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : Jock if ive played a thousand hands agaisnt you then i will be able to use my hand histories to see what your stats are. i dont need every hand youve ever played, just the ones youve played against me. Posted by offshoot
Got you.... but it would be a rather narrow picture of someones game.
Oh and by the way offshot, you dont need HEM to beat, **** you probably be handicapped with just one hold card and still beat me ;o)
Well im shocked! I feel rather grim today so someone tell me how to set it all up and stop me from wasting time looking threw all the thread on how to do it lol
Thank you to Tikay and SkyPoker for the full and frank replies. From my standpoint: 1) Fully understand the reason for the first thread deletion, I believe I put in my original post in this thread that I felt this was a possible reason. 2) The screenshot can easily be fake (this is a big difference from saying it is fake though in case you are reading GLIYLose). I have to disagree with some of the above posters, people can easily be sad enough to take the time to make one of these. Also, as I said on my post earlier, there is a HEM panel missing on that pic. I have never used HEM (I personally think using HUDs is borderline cheating but again just my opinion, these products are however very useful and rightly used for post session analysis) but from the original thread there are some inconsistencies with the figures in that pic. As far as I am aware (prepared to be corrected as I don't use HUDs) stats and hand counts are only made by games you play/rail while having HEM running (or upload massive HHs). The original thread stated they were running it for 5 minutes, hard to get a hand count in the thousands in 5 minutes. And if they uploaded a HH bank then they know what they are doing it for. 3) I warn against naivety. I am more than sure that plenty of people have tried to form their own software for online poker. You should never be staggered to learn the sophistication and excellence some people can achieve in programming in the modern age. This would be attempted and maybe accomplished without the knowledge of an organisation or online site, Skypoker included. I guess deep down you have to ask yourself do you believe the original poster. It's a stand point you can only make personally. Posted by TommyD
Many reasons as to why the underlying tables dont have stats on they may be tournament tables which because it aint supported by sky may not work in that structure of games.Many people still have this problem with HM2 on supported sites.He may have just opened these tables so the HUD wont come up until the player is active and played x- amount of hands .
In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : What it seems to me you are saying is "There are no offical tracking software for skypoker, but an unoffical software to do the same thing is entirely possible to make, skypoker has no clue if pepole are already using this, has no way too tell if people are using it, and no way to stop it" Posted by BeccaBlack
Pretty much, yes. If people have made heath-robinson workarounds, be they authentic, reliable, useable or not, it was & is wholly without Sky Poker's knowledge or approval. Sky Poker have no control over what people do on their Computers, but hand-Histories & suchlike are not knowingly made available to anyone.
In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : Well im shocked! I feel rather grim today so someone tell me how to set it all up and stop me from wasting time looking threw all the thread on how to do it lol Posted by CrazyBen23
I'm shocked as well.... the original poster has removed the video. Or at least that's what it says when i try to watch it
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I wonder if it is possible for Sky Poker to know if people are using unauthorised poker tracking software while playing on Sky, apart from people like glifulose openly admitting it!
I would guess that it isn't and there is probably nothing that can be done to stop/discourage people from using whatever software they want on their own PC's?
The important thing is that Sky has made it clear that they don't endorse or support any particular Holdem Manager so im clear and happy abot this. I guess what people chose to do on their own PC is up to them?
Sky Poker have NO IDEA what sort of stuff some of their players may or may not download.
What they can say is that Sky Poker DO NOT support downloadable Hand-Histories, and DO NOT have any relationship or compatability with these Third Party software Sites, & have NO KNOWLEDGE of any player being able to do this.
If players can, or think they can, mess about with unofficial software, we cannot stop them, & have no idea what they can or can't access, beyond the staement above by "Sky Poker".
Be assured, "nothing to see here". The only information ANY PLAYER can access is his or her own. Unless of course someone else shares a Password with them, over which, of course, we have no control.
1) Fully understand the reason for the first thread deletion, I believe I put in my original post in this thread that I felt this was a possible reason.
2) The screenshot can easily be fake (this is a big difference from saying it is fake though in case you are reading GLIYLose). I have to disagree with some of the above posters, people can easily be sad enough to take the time to make one of these. Also, as I said on my post earlier, there is a HEM panel missing on that pic. I have never used HEM (I personally think using HUDs is borderline cheating but again just my opinion, these products are however very useful and rightly used for post session analysis) but from the original thread there are some inconsistencies with the figures in that pic. As far as I am aware (prepared to be corrected as I don't use HUDs) stats and hand counts are only made by games you play/rail while having HEM running (or upload massive HHs). The original thread stated they were running it for 5 minutes, hard to get a hand count in the thousands in 5 minutes. And if they uploaded a HH bank then they know what they are doing it for.
3) I warn against naivety. I am more than sure that plenty of people have tried to form their own software for online poker. You should never be staggered to learn the sophistication and excellence some people can achieve in programming in the modern age. This would be attempted and maybe accomplished without the knowledge of an organisation or online site, Skypoker included.
I guess deep down you have to ask yourself do you believe the original poster. It's a stand point you can only make personally.