I agree totally with most things said here, im what they call a 'regular' at NL4, i like the website the community, the customer service, but this did also bug me a little. Even worse is when us micro stakes players put our word across via a thread like this, none of our opinions seem to get considered, selective hearing i guess. Say this was a thread from a high stakes player voicing his concern about something, i can bet my bottom dollar his issues would be rectfied by next time he logs on. If there was a reason why micro stakes players are overlooked that we could be told, i'd fully appreciate it and carry on as normal. I also do appreciate that Sky is a business and of course wants to accomodate or those paying the most rake. But without micro stakes players i don't think they have a business!
I'd be interested to know the difference in rake paid by the different stakes, I know that low stakes would never compete with high stakes but it's gotta level the scales a tiny bit that 200NL might have 5 tables running at one time, and 4NL has like 50 tables going at once.
i think you pay a higher rake at the lower levels because they get a better class of dealer, the tables are nicer and the cards are newer. (its what i heard!)
i think you pay a higher rake at the lower levels because they get a better class of dealer, the tables are nicer and the cards are newer. (its what i heard!) Posted by pod1
I thought it was to cover the costs of keeping the rig-o-meter going, myself.
Yeah you do pay higher rake at the lower levels and I'm sure that's why Pod lol, but I meant like as a total cash amount...
Like 200NL tables might bring in say £20,000 of rake weekly (complete gues, i have no idea)
I'd be interested to know what 4NL brings in, bearing in mind there's about 10 times more tables running and we have to pay a higher rake at this level. I'm not saying it would equal that of the high stakes but it must certainly be enough to make it worthwhile for Sky to listen and provide the absolute basics like happy hour for all.
Especially considering (as many have already said) as we all know, the money from poker all comes from the bottom up, so more guys playing at the low stakes WILL mean more that end up playing higher stakes and creating more rake for Sky, and enticing more players to the site.
someone has to sit there and count all those 2ps up at the end of the night as well, not a nice job. ps wouldnt fancy carrying that lot to the local hsbc (other banks are avaliable) on a monday morning. it all adds up!
I agree totally with most things said here, im what they call a 'regular' at NL4, i like the website the community, the customer service, but this did also bug me a little. Even worse is when us micro stakes players put our word across via a thread like this, none of our opinions seem to get considered, selective hearing i guess. Say this was a thread from a high stakes player voicing his concern about something, i can bet my bottom dollar his issues would be rectfied by next time he logs on. If there was a reason why micro stakes players are overlooked that we could be told, i'd fully appreciate it and carry on as normal. I also do appreciate that Sky is a business and of course wants to accomodate or those paying the most rake. But without micro stakes players i don't think they have a business! Posted by Swog
Sorry swog, but thats not actually true!!
The fact is this thread will, at some point be sent upstairs for someone to look at, tbf I dont think any other poker room anywhere listen to their players more..
Yeah you do pay higher rake at the lower levels and I'm sure that's why Pod lol, but I meant like as a total cash amount... Like 200NL tables might bring in say £20,000 of rake weekly (complete gues, i have no idea) I'd be interested to know what 4NL brings in, bearing in mind there's about 10 times more tables running and we have to pay a higher rake at this level. I'm not saying it would equal that of the high stakes but it must certainly be enough to make it worthwhile for Sky to listen and provide the absolute basics like happy hour for all. Especially considering (as many have already said) as we all know, the money from poker all comes from the bottom up, so more guys playing at the low stakes WILL mean more that end up playing higher stakes and creating more rake for Sky, and enticing more players to the site. Posted by Lambert180
This might interest you Lambert old discussion on micro cash rake Re: cash games rake: You will see most of the time you are paying a lot more than 7.5% at nl4.
I agree totally with most things said here, im what they call a 'regular' at NL4, i like the website the community, the customer service, but this did also bug me a little. Even worse is when us micro stakes players put our word across via a thread like this, none of our opinions seem to get considered, selective hearing i guess. Say this was a thread from a high stakes player voicing his concern about something, i can bet my bottom dollar his issues would be rectfied by next time he logs on. If there was a reason why micro stakes players are overlooked that we could be told, i'd fully appreciate it and carry on as normal. I also do appreciate that Sky is a business and of course wants to accomodate or those paying the most rake. But without micro stakes players i don't think they have a business! Posted by Swog
this is exactly what i was thinking i might go on the ask tikay page and ask him to take a look at this thread maybe he can send it upstairs and possibly get a response.
Or should we just keep moaning in silence and see how long it takes to get a response what you guys think?
Im sure sky have excluded nl4 and nl8 from happy hour for there own good reasons, what these reasons are i have no idea but will make a guess. Cash 4 points has to paid manually. I think sky have looked at the average nl4 player and seen they only hit 400 points pcm, if they have happy hour then they will hit the 500 point mark (500 points needed to get C4P). You could prob say if nl4 was included, then the amount of people who will qualify for C4P would increase dramatically. This will increase man hours in the office witch would be -ev for sky. The other reason will be to get players to move up in stakes, you play higher stakes you will generate more rake.
I think you have hit the nail(s) on the head freechips1. Absolutely agree with all the points you make and I do think it is a shame that we are excluded and treated like the poor relations.
OK, I know they need to maximise the profits, but it is not too clever to antagonise your customers, large or small.
Im sure sky have excluded nl4 and nl8 from happy hour for there own good reasons, what these reasons are i have no idea but will make a guess. Cash 4 points has to paid manually. I think sky have looked at the average nl4 player and seen they only hit 400 points pcm, if they have happy hour then they will hit the 500 point mark (500 points needed to get C4P). You could prob say if nl4 was included, then the amount of people who will qualify for C4P would increase dramatically. This will increase man hours in the office witch would be -ev for sky. The other reason will be to get players to move up in stakes, you play higher stakes you will generate more rake. Posted by freechips1
So do they actually have to hand send all the C4P bonus to all the players? Surely they have some kind of cleveer program that works it all out?
In Response to Re: What is happening to all the low priced poker tourneys? : Was thinking this myself. not sure how to set one up or what it involves though. Posted by wenelinho
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I think the rake on smaller BH MTT s cannot be justified, but they are consistent at 15% whereas the prestige tournaments £10 and over are only 10% with so many new players joining, Sky business must be booming! especially when the new player and refer a friend bonuses are declined if you've taken part in the Sky Super 6 previously!
more cash for points per session = more willingness for players to play more = more rake (the pennies do add up even at NL4). Still this thread seems to be overlooked by the sky poker bosses. We just want an answer and things can be moved along!
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Like 200NL tables might bring in say £20,000 of rake weekly (complete gues, i have no idea)
I'd be interested to know what 4NL brings in, bearing in mind there's about 10 times more tables running and we have to pay a higher rake at this level. I'm not saying it would equal that of the high stakes but it must certainly be enough to make it worthwhile for Sky to listen and provide the absolute basics like happy hour for all.
Especially considering (as many have already said) as we all know, the money from poker all comes from the bottom up, so more guys playing at the low stakes WILL mean more that end up playing higher stakes and creating more rake for Sky, and enticing more players to the site.
You will see most of the time you are paying a lot more than 7.5% at nl4.
Im sure sky have excluded nl4 and nl8 from happy hour for there own good reasons, what these reasons are i have no idea but will make a guess.
Cash 4 points has to paid manually. I think sky have looked at the average nl4 player and seen they only hit 400 points pcm, if they have happy hour then they will hit the 500 point mark (500 points needed to get C4P).
You could prob say if nl4 was included, then the amount of people who will qualify for C4P would increase dramatically. This will increase man hours in the office witch would be -ev for sky.
The other reason will be to get players to move up in stakes, you play higher stakes you will generate more rake.
I think you have hit the nail(s) on the head freechips1. Absolutely agree with all the points you make and I do think it is a shame that we are excluded and treated like the poor relations.
OK, I know they need to maximise the profits, but it is not too clever to antagonise your customers, large or small.
whereas the prestige tournaments £10 and over are only 10%
with so many new players joining, Sky business must be booming!
especially when the new player and refer a friend bonuses are declined if you've taken part in the Sky Super 6 previously!