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Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in

ACEGOONERACEGOONER Member Posts: 1,432
edited February 2012 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceLnarinOOSmall blind £0.20£0.20£40.00ACEGOONERBig blind £0.40£0.60£40.22 Your hole cards3K   MRGARYCall £0.40£1.00£23.52mikeyoneyeFold    LnarinOOCall £0.20£1.20£39.80ACEGOONERCheck    Flop  105A   LnarinOOCheck    ACEGOONERCheck    MRGARYCheck    Turn  6   LnarinOOBet £1.20£2.40£38.60ACEGOONERCall £1.20£3.60£39.02MRGARYCall £1.20£4.80£22.32River  8   LnarinOOBet £3.60£8.40£35.00ACEGOONERRaise £7.20£15.60£31.82MRGARYAll-in £22.32£37.92£0.00LnarinOOAll-in £35.00£72.92£0.00ACEGOONERFold    LnarinOOUnmatched bet £16.28£56.64£16.28LnarinOOShow2A   MRGARYShow79   MRGARYWinStraight Flush to the 9£54.84 £54.84
Sometimes I get this gut feeling that im behind and fold as here,  but poker purists say I am not playing optimal poker being this nitty. Is it reasonable to assume that one of my opponents has the nut flush (and I dont mean str8!)  and therefore its a snap fold or am I just being the risk averse nit, JJ keeps on going on about. 


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  • penguin7penguin7 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited February 2012
    Good fold
  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited February 2012
    sick hand lol....you'r fold makes it easier that it is a limped pot, still very sick fold, wp.
  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited February 2012
    don't show results, you aren't going to get any meaningful responeses now
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited February 2012
      As it turns out you made a very good fold but i am really not sure if it was the right one TBH.

      But more importantly for you is the fact that you can make some very good notes on your two opponents because of the way that this hand was played. Their limping ranges and also the sort of boards that they need to hit before being willing to commit chips to the pot. These things are vital for when playing them again making it easier for you to sort your own ranges against them. Correct usage of this sort of information is vital when playing opponents on several occassions
  • ACEGOONERACEGOONER Member Posts: 1,432
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in:
    don't show results, you aren't going to get any meaningful responeses now
    Posted by yb
    Im sure most serious poker players will ignore the outcome. 
  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in:
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in : Im sure most serious poker players will ignore the outcome. 
    Posted by ACEGOONER
    lol rubdowns ftw

    i'm just saying that it's hard to remain totally unbiased when people see you folded the third best hand, the serious poker players would probably agree
  • splashiessplashies Member Posts: 3,680
    edited February 2012
    Yeh leave the results out for better answers.
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited February 2012
    agree with yb, results better left out

    I think its a standard fold as played, esp if they are 2 regs. I raise river bigger though. Turn call of pot bet is marginal imo, not sure implied odds are great here
  • ACEGOONERACEGOONER Member Posts: 1,432
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in:
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in : lol rubdowns ftw i'm just saying that it's hard to remain totally unbiased when people see you folded the third best hand, the serious poker players would probably agree
    Posted by yb

    Wernt meant to be a rubdown but point taken.

  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited February 2012
    Nice brag post.  Dont see how you can ever call tbh.
  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in:
    tbh i am never folding this i think in the long run its a bad fold welldone for folding and u will get credit i donty think its a profitable fold in the long run here your only getting beat by 1 hand 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    2 hands. . ;)
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in:
    still 2 hands chances of str8 flush cmon i just aint folding this might be bad but just aint i think its a nitty fold and a losing fold long term i see 200 nl people would bust here 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    limped pot
    flop checked thru
    turn pot lead 2 calls
    river brings in flush, action goes bet/raise/cold 3bet/shove.

    You really think K hi flush is good here enough to call? Esp when at least one of villains is a reg
  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in:
    still 2 hands chances of str8 flush cmon i just aint folding this might be bad but just aint i think its a nitty fold and a losing fold long term i see 200 nl people would bust here 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    I could never give an answer on what i would do in this spot unless i was in it, if i was v 2 donks i might stack off? maybie i would still fold, if i was playing solid regs i would reluctantly fold i think, poss insta fold (i doubt if this was the case, it would never be a limped pot v regs i play with). Its important to note that it was a limped pot, which makes a big difference with the decision making.
  • ACEGOONERACEGOONER Member Posts: 1,432
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in:
    all i say is easy to say fold but if u are playing are u actually folding its a great fold but imo not a profitable fold long term 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    I agree in a HU situation, but not three way as the hand played out. One of the players is a competent reg (who I have had some tussles with over the weekend), the other I dont know.

    You say that playing this way is not profitable but I can tell you that I have played 10s of thousands of cash game hands on sky and this is probably the first time ive experienced this situation.
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in:
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in : limped pot flop checked thru turn pot lead 2 calls river brings in flush, action goes bet/raise/cold 3bet/shove. You really think K hi flush is good here enough to call? Esp when at least one of villains is a reg
    Posted by grantorino
    Exactly.

    It wouldnt even occur to me to think "there are only 2 hands beating me in this spot".

    Only thing I'd be thinking is there is a lead, raise re raise and call in front of me.  Big ole sigh fold imo.  River range of oppononts is beyond polarised
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2012
    silly limped pot

    at this level )


    good fold, can never be good here three way
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited February 2012
    We raise river for what we believe to be value, but get played back at in two spots  River opener is able to call despite two seats getting aggro over his open.

    We can put one player on an overplayed hand, but not both.  Obv call with Ac, but - as the action plays - I never call here
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in:
    , can never be good here three way
    Posted by rancid
    But it's not gay if it's a 3way
  • ACEGOONERACEGOONER Member Posts: 1,432
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Folding K high flush to 4 and 5 bet all in:
    silly limped pot at this level ) good fold, can never be good here three way
    Posted by rancid
    You think peeps dont limp at nl40/50? 

    Note that I was in the BB and forced into the action and it nearly cost me a stack !
  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited February 2012
    lnarin00 is a gd solid player so when he bets river againist 2 opponents then gets raised the re raised and he shoves allin he has you you obv knew that so really gd fold in that spot.
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