wifi grrrrrrrrrrrr

pod1

just changed to wifi last week and had nothin but problems. THE worst time for signal to drop out!!!

pandj	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£2.62
pod1	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£15.81
	Your hole cards	A J
cartster27	Fold
daveyt1987	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£3.78
Grave	Fold
fatwab	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£23.30
pandj	Call		£0.05	£0.40	£2.57
pod1	Check
Flop
		J A 3
pandj	Check
pod1	Bet		£0.30	£0.70	£15.51
daveyt1987	Call		£0.30	£1.00	£3.48
fatwab	Fold
pandj	Call		£0.30	£1.30	£2.27
Turn
		A
pandj	Check
pod1	Check
daveyt1987	Check
River
		7
pandj	Check
pod1	Bet		£1.30	£2.60	£14.21
daveyt1987	All-in		£3.48	£6.08	£0.00
pandj	Fold
pod1	Fold
daveyt1987	Muck
daveyt1987	Win		£3.60		£3.60
daveyt1987	Return		£2.18	£0.30	£5.78

YOUNG_GUN

Nit

I'd raise pre fwiw as u put it in lini ....

Dudeskin8

100% raise pre, can't think why you wouldn't.

Bet turn.

Snap call river normally obvz.

SUPERSNEDD

In Response to Re: wifi grrrrrrrrrrrr:

100% raise pre, can't think why you wouldn't. Bet turn. Snap call river normally obvz.
Posted by Dudeskin8

With no WIFI connection, snap calling the river isn't going to be the easiest move

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: wifi grrrrrrrrrrrr:

In Response to Re: wifi grrrrrrrrrrrr : With no WIFI connection, snap calling the river isn't going to be the easiest move
Posted by SUPERSNEDD

Dats why I put 'normally'.....

Jameskr

dude, do you know how to login to your router settings? if so, go in there and change the wireless channel.. you will find one that doesn't drop out! pm me if you need help with it

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: wifi grrrrrrrrrrrr:

dude, do you know how to login to your router settings? if so, go in there and change the wireless channel.. you will find one that doesn't drop out! pm me if you need help with it
Posted by Jameskr

Can u pm/help me please my internet connection is fine 90% but then sometimes picks up other wireless routers, is there anyway i can just lock soley on to my router? usually very inconveniant and have to reboot it for it too work properly. 

BorinLoner

I wouldn't raise pre-flop with AJ in the BB with three limpers. If you want to get rid of your opponents, you'd have to raise pretty big and if you get called by anyone other than the SB, you'll have to play a big pot, out of position with AJ. I would check pre-flop with the intention of check-folding on most flops. It's just not a hand I want to play out of position. If we do hit the flop big our hand is perfectly disguised too.

Why do I think that James is going to be getting alot of PM's from randomers asking "How do I get my wi-fi working properly?" lol

pod1

i am glad its not just me , raising aj out of pos is not the best thing to do. ps, pm on the way james :-)

Dudeskin8

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I wouldn't raise pre-flop with AJ in the BB with three limpers. If you want to get rid of your opponents, you'd have to raise pretty big and if you get called by anyone other than the SB, you'll have to play a big pot, out of position with AJ. I would check pre-flop with the intention of check-folding on most flops. It's just not a hand I want to play out of position. If we do hit the flop big our hand is perfectly disguised too. Why do I think that James is going to be getting alot of PM's from randomers asking "How do I get my wi-fi working properly?" lol
Posted by BorinLoner

This feels super weak to me, AJ is a pretty string hand, they've shown wekaness by limping so it's just a standard raise for value imo, I can't imagine lolufold/scotty77 checking and 'hoping' to hit.

pod1

i didnt agree with the "check folding most flops" bit dude, yes they are weak and im not (ish), raising here is just seems a bit spewy. 

Dudeskin8

Rasing QJ would be spewy, AJ is just standard surely, still best wait till somone else posts to get a better idea.

pod1

whats wrong with raising with qj (20 se

HARI08	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£24.64
dario85	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£27.26
	Your hole cards	Q J
ribo	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£9.62
mmhmm	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£10.26
pod1	Raise		£0.30	£0.65	£21.84
HARI08	Fold
dario85	Call		£0.20	£0.85	£27.06
ribo	Call		£0.20	£1.05	£9.42
mmhmm	Call		£0.20	£1.25	£10.06
Flop
		K 9 J
dario85	Check
ribo	Check
mmhmm	Check
pod1	Bet		£0.63	£1.88	£21.21
dario85	Fold
ribo	Raise		£1.26	£3.14	£8.16
mmhmm	Fold
pod1	Call		£0.63	£3.77	£20.58
Turn
		7
ribo	Check
pod1	Check
River
		10
ribo	Check
pod1	Bet		£2.83	£6.60	£17.75
ribo	Call		£2.83	£9.43	£5.33
pod1	Show	Q J
ribo	Muck	A A
pod1	Win	Straight Flush to the King	£8.72		£26.47

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Ncs after you wrote that lol)

YOUNG_GUN

AJ you should be raising most of the time pre flop if your in bb, it depends on your table really.. 

but in this circumstance, open limp with 2 callers behind auto raise, for value its likely you have the best hand unless you have a note that the open limper only does this with bigger hands. 

By checking you give ppl a chance to go ahead, its likely ppl have called behind with suited connectors and your just making it cheap for them to outdraw you. AJ should be good so raise it up, possibly so u can narrow down to 1 opponent or two. 

IF someone open say 3 x then i dont mind a call or a 3 bet but with an open limp and callers behind im raising alot of the time

grantorino

Definitely raise pre. They will call lots with hands you dominate

bet turn

river kick cat

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BorinLoner

I don't like raising it pre-flop into 3 limpers simply because you'd have to make a really big raise to get it heads-up and sometimes that won't even work. What are you going to do when it goes call, call, call pre-flop and you have to play this hand out of position with an unmade hand? Position is enormously important with a hand like this... Position is enormously important with any hand but particularly a hand like this. I prefer to just not give myself the problem and wait for position when I'll get aggressive with a wider range of hands.

It's enough to say that I knew there would be people that would disagree about this when I posted. I don't like to say other people are wrong but I think it's so much more difficult to play this out of position and I don't like to make things difficult for myself. Play big pots in position and small pots out of position.

Dudeskin8

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I don't like raising it pre-flop into 3 limpers simply because you'd have to make a really big raise to get it heads-up and sometimes that won't even work. What are you going to do when it goes call, call, call pre-flop and you have to play this hand out of position with an unmade hand? Position is enormously important with a hand like this... Position is enormously important with any hand but particularly a hand like this. I prefer to just not give myself the problem and wait for position when I'll get aggressive with a wider range of hands. It's enough to say that I knew there would be people that would disagree about this when I posted. I don't like to say other people are wrong but I think it's so much more difficult to play this out of position and I don't like to make things difficult for myself. Play big pots in position and small pots out of position.
Posted by BorinLoner

If you're getting that many callers simply start raising bigger till you get less, there's always a tipping point with most fish, some it's 5x, some 8x you should find that out yourself soon enough.

If you don't hit you simply make a cbet, some boards might be awful so you don't but any paint high flop is usually good to bet and then if they call, turn you could hit but if not can barrel if turn brings good card. 

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: wifi grrrrrrrrrrrr:

In Response to Re: wifi grrrrrrrrrrrr : If you're getting that many callers simply start raising bigger till you get less, there's always a tipping point with most fish, some it's 5x, some 8x you should find that out yourself soon enough. If you don't hit you simply make a cbet, some boards might be awful so you don't but any paint high flop is usually good to bet and then if they call, turn you could hit but if not can barrel if turn brings good card. 
Posted by Dudeskin8

You see, this is what I'm getting at: When you want to get rid of some of those limpers, you start having to make really big raises. Playing AJ as though it's a premium hand, out of position, where we builld a big pot pre-flop just can't be profitable in the long term, surely? AJ just isn't that good. When we don't get those folds we have the problem of needing to c-bet into one, two or three players on the flop with an unmade hand on 2/3 flops and that c-bet is going to have to be pretty big - Even if we only get one call we have to c-bet at least 7BB (When we've made it 6x pre-flop). I just think we can check here and play a small pot. If we're on the button with AJ facing three limpers it's a very different situation but out of position it can't be good to play big pots with what is, at best, the seventh strongest starting hand.

Dudeskin8

If there's been a raise and a 3bet or even a single raise yes AJ drops in value but with 3 limps we have to assume we have the best hand and so make a raise for VALUE, anything other than raising is playing scared money imo.

Also if you check AJ are you doing the same with AK/AQ as they miss the flop 2/3 as well ?

BorinLoner

Well AK is the nut-no-pair hand, so no I can't check the AK. I think you're right, we probably do have the best hand with AJ but playing it for value is tricky because of our position. Even when we do have the best hand pre-flop we're unlikely to be a long way ahead, since AJ simply isn't all that big a favourite againt many hands. Moreover, knowing if we're ahead on any particular flop we've missed is nearly impossible since we won't see the other players' response to the flop before we act. Checking pre-flop isn't about playing scared money, it's about knowing how weak our position is and how difficult it could be to play the flop.

If we do make the raise, we're not really raising it for value since the ideal situation is for all the limpers to fold. When we raise here we're trying to represent a stronger hand than AJ and therefore it's more like a bluff. After all, if one of our opponents is holding 78 and they knew we were playing AJ, they'd want to call our raise. Even though they know they are behind, they would choose to take advantage of their position.

I can't emphasise enough how much importance position has. I just favour the more cautious option when playing in the BB. Raising certainly has it's advantages and, as I said, I can't tell people they're wrong. I just think that I'd rather make those raises when I have the advantage of position. It makes no difference if we take it down pre-flop but those times when we go to the flop, position will make everything so much easier.