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200NL 3bet pot

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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: 200NL 3bet pot:
    In Response to Re: 200NL 3bet pot : This is fine if boon is raising btn w/ATC, we want boon to go aggro on us ) If our hand is bigger lets say QQ, do we 3 bet pre in this spot Would we rarther 3 bet bluff solid with at least a reasonable holding rarther than 84o Also depends if boon is aware PF may 3 bet light and does PF know that boon know this ! If we talking about no cards then we have to consider the meta between them, maybe there is none and if boon considers PF to be a random then PF needs to really consider boon's calling range here in my humble opinion :S
    Posted by rancid
    I had 3bet him often.

    Remember the higher the stake the more aggro it becomes, if I'm not 3betting KQ pre OOP then it'll soon become **** obvious I only ever do it with premiums (although I am still only taking a few shots - nothing regular yet)
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2012
    OK guys, you may have seen the hand play out on the show, although there were some slightly differing opinions from the high stakes regs, 3 of them (and stu rutter) agreed with the lead out I made. Was half-pot the best size as Boonicon will think he has more FE leading to him shoving the drawing parts of his range?

    Also how big should my 3bet pre have been? £25 was obv a bit small, £30 - 35??
    Although, if I know Boon is doing this with a VERY wide range is there any merit for my small 3bet?
  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited February 2012
    I spoke with Fail about this hand while sharing a table last night.  My first reaction was to bet/get it in.  Against Boon's bet/call on the button range I think we're ok.  I like check/jam as well but Boon's easily good enough to sniff that one out with that board texture.  I'm not sure he has a stab with much worse than we have here, more likely to check it back which of course hurts our equity if the turn is a brick.
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited February 2012
    if he checks back flop our equity should improve on a brick turn
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: 200NL 3bet pot:
    if he checks back flop our equity should improve on a brick turn
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    Not sure if you saw the show last night, what do you think of my half-pot lead out?
  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: 200NL 3bet pot:
    if he checks back flop our equity should improve on a brick turn
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    Yes my thinking is probably a bit muddled in my post.  He'd probably bet most vulnerable hands that have us beat. 
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: 200NL 3bet pot:
    In Response to Re: 200NL 3bet pot : Not sure if you saw the show last night, what do you think of my half-pot lead out?
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    no i didnt see the show, and its def a weird spot.

    ip maybe pot controlling flop is best
    oop i think to avoid super awkward turn decisions b/cing is probably best.

    halfpot lead probably fine although i think you could cbet smaller. i really wouldnt like a big cbet as you will probably just iso yourself vs the top of boonicons range
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: 200NL 3bet pot:
    In Response to Re: 200NL 3bet pot : no i didnt see the show, and its def a weird spot. ip maybe pot controlling flop is best oop i think to avoid super awkward turn decisions b/cing is probably best. halfpot lead probably fine although i think you could cbet smaller. i really wouldnt like a big cbet as you will probably just iso yourself vs the top of boonicons range
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    Ok thanks, my thoughts were basically by betting smallish I could keep draws in his shoving range with him thinking he has FE, turns out both oppos folded 67 lol bit of an anti-climax but was an interesting spot.
  • murray69murray69 Member Posts: 436
    edited February 2012
    Can you post the full hand on here Quinn?
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: 200NL 3bet pot:
    Can you post the full hand on here Quinn?
    Posted by murray69
    I'ts not in my last 500 anymore and I didn't note the hand ID, but I led out half pot, and they both folded, turned out they both had 67 : )
  • SkyPokerTVSkyPokerTV Member Posts: 185
    edited February 2012
    Hi,

    Thank you for your post,
    If you would like us to feature this hand on tomorrows poker clinic show, please let me know the hand ID and which table its from.

    We can only show hands from tables with the TV icon.

    All the best

    TV TEAM.
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