Well your not to specific about the play overall and what happend in the hand. But you have to consider the ranges 6 handed in general for an average player which look something like 1010+, aq+ in a reg tourney, jj, aqs+ in a deep stack and 88+, a10s, aj+ in a bounty. We don't do terrible against any of those ranges and this is just against the average. If it's against a specific bad player or in a bounty we are surely ahead most of the time. In a reg or a deepstack it is questionable early but not specifically a bad call.
lol steve donk call me, i remember when you shoved on me in a dym with queens, i had aces, i think you posted up aswel,tbf was a few months back... hoz mum?...
never mind QQ, called an allin shove pf with JJ at the beginning of a main event recently. Thought I'd take the likely flip, and if I miss play the 9pm instead. Right or wrong who knows, but worked for me. Might have folded vs GregHogg, but since he's started muscling me off a 90 chip pot sb vs bb with total air........
never mind QQ, called an allin shove pf with JJ at the beginning of a main event recently. Thought I'd take the likely flip, and if I miss play the 9pm instead. Right or wrong who knows, but worked for me. Might have folded vs GregHogg, but since he's started muscling me off a 90 chip pot sb vs bb with total air........ Posted by GELDY
prove it lol
innocent until proven guilty, dont sound like me... i obv had aces
In Response to Ridiculous half-baked expert advice: [QUOTE]I sometimes wonder what planet the 'expert' analysts are on? Recent example: Our hero makes an all-in bet of 2000 when the blinds are 10/20. He has AK. Our 'expert' studio analysts say that it's a definite calll with QQ for an extra 1800. Anyone who claims that this is a half-decent play is talking out of the back of his head. Yet the 'MTT experts'(including most of the top name players on Sky Poker!) I've just been watching on 865 say that this is 100% the correct play. Complete and utter rubbish. Most of the 'experts' are cash-game players and generally clueless about MTTs. BB Posted by BigBluster
Curious that despite my colleagues & I being roundly villified in that Post, most of the thread AGREES with the expert advice.
There are, quite rightly, also a whole range of alternative views, as the play of a single hand cannot accurately or ever be judged in a vacuum.
The Thread Title adds to the fun, too - "Ridiculous half-baked expert advice".
Quite possibly, Mr Bluster, you are entitled to that view. On behalf of all the Analysts on Ch 865, I would simply say that we will continue to address you, & all our players, in a civil manner, & never be rude to any of you.
Most of the Analysts on Ch 865 - & I will exclude myself - seem to me to be at the very least, "competent". All of us treat our Clients with respect.
On behalf of all the Analysts on Ch 865, I would simply say that we will continue to address you, & all our players, in a civil manner, & never be rude to any of you. Most of the Analysts on Ch 865 - & I will exclude myself - seem to me to be at the very least, "competent". All of us treat our Clients with respect. A one-way street, it seems. Posted by Tikay10
not quite true, tikay.
i had commented on the new format and that it was tedious, so too did many others. i had not written anything personal yet your producer wrote that i am "ignorant." this was her approach to your customers and certainly at odds with your comments above.
incidentally, i have subsequently had posts deleted (e.g. for being amusing on your serious software thread although subsequent amusing posts were not deleted) and i been given the cold shoulder by a number of skypoker people which has been noticed on here and at the glasgow spt.
I cannot speak for others, Rob. I was referring specifically, & said as much quite clearly, & repeatedly, to the Analysts, to whom the thread was addressed.
i have not and shall not call the experts in any way on sky.. u can listen to what they say, u can learn it, u can not learn it, it shows how they play. these people are good players and know what they are saying,
as for the initial hand of calling with QQ aipf. very early, it depends who ur oppo is. it is that simple..
Would you agree with how phill helmuth or doyal brunson or any other pro play certain hands on tv and would you play it the same as them every hand. How many times have you watched a pro play a hand and said ohhhhhhh he played that badly. Or the comentator says they played that badly they wouldnt of done that them selves. Every person has there own opinion on how to play certain hands which is what makes poker such a wonderful game. What ever an analyst says is just a point of view and its upto you if you want to take notes on deciesions they suggest or not. You learn by listening to yourself and trying it yourself! if it dosnt work for you, you dont try it again. I for one listen to my own experience of how i play hands correctly or not and learn from my own mistakes, the only thing i take from analysts is ideas that i might not of thought of before its then upto me how i implement that idea.
Bluster, you've started a thread which is quite inflammatory as well as borderline defamatory, however you are yet to respond to any replies. Have you just started this thread to get the bile flowing? Is it purely flame-bait? I personally feel the original post is completely misjudged and was designed to draw the reaction it has. I heavily considered snap closing this thread but have decided not to, because while the original post is a black hole of usefulness, the responses from others and hopefully my response (you can be the judge of that) will add something rather than take away.
Expert's advice - Commenting on hands is extremely tricky. When you look in GPC or the clinic you have plenty of time to form your thoughts about the hand, consider in your own time and structure a full reply. That's just not possible on live TV. You don't see the hands beforehand, it's live snap analysis and dead air is a crime, so you have to just plough into it. I cannot remember the show this hand took place on but I know from when I appeared on the show and looked back on a couple of the hands I was saying to myself 'What was i thinking?' and 'How did I miss that question/idea on the hand?' It's exceptionally tough, especially when you are asked to comment on a line you would never take. I imagine it's been a long while since the majority of people on this thread opened a pot to ten times the Big Blind. I haven't done it since a drunken night playing Russians many years ago. How do you get inside a mindset of the hero line when said line is alien to you? Like I said, it's pretty darn tough.
The hand - Tough, I can understand folding. Against a random I'm probably putting the jam on a range of any pair, AT+ KJ+ judging by what I've seen from randoms lately on this and other sites. I don't like calling it all off this early but I am. Against a known player it could be quite different, from easy call to easy pass.
The recent posting of Tikay and Aussie
Tikay, I know it's not pleasant to be used as a virtual Piñata on the forum, where it is quite easy for a practically anonymous person to post anything they like thinking they are without consequences, not acknowledging how these posts can actually wound people (I'm not saying you yourself are wounded by this comment, but I appreciate some of the SkyPoker talent/production team/suits etc would be hurt by some of the posts made that seem to be unappreciative of all the hard work and seem to be completely ignorant). But, and you knew there was a but coming, you don't need to take that passive aggressive line and you certainly, in my opinion, should not infer by the 'one way street' line that many takes the attitude of the original poster. Yes everyone has a bad day and everyone's post history on here has posts in it which on reflection the poster would wish they never made, I know mine has. However despite the recent downturn in the general pleasantness of the forum (which I feel is on an upward curve again) most people mostly post good things. The forum can be a hassle for SkyPoker from time to time, I know most other sites wouldn't do it due to the hassle, but SkyPoker understand that cards in the UK started with card schools, or a community, and it's that unique feature and the usual friendliness of the forum that attracts and keeps players here. And just like in the old card schools, every now again someone says something that makes you want to give them a rebuke. But when a rebuke doesn't help matters, should it be given?
Rob - I think you're a great poster here and I really like you personally. I would say however, and you knew there was a however coming, that the 'tedious' post was in my opinion misjudged or an opinion worded badly. Just as you can word a comment badly, someone can react in a badly formed way.
Also sometimes you, just like me, misjudge when to make a humorous post. I'd much rather you make too many than too few and get the odd one deleted though, much better to do that, but when one or two get taken away, just let it go. As for the SkyPoker peeps giving you the cold shoulder (I'm assuming you are talking of people who work for SkyPoker rather than the community) never forget that they are working, they're not there to socialise and while on the whole they are all very out going and exceptional friendly, on a few occasions they may be so busy it'll come off as cold. From what I heard about the simultaneous SPTs, both sets of crews were rushed off their feet so I'd definitely put the Glasgow SPT down to that rather than anything personal. And as far as I know those deleted posts were not personal, in your words, chillax babe Come find me at the next SPT, I'd love to have a couple of drinks with you. You're paying, naturally
Now a suggestion. Can we just move onwards and upwards please? If anyone has issue with my post, my PMs are always open.
That's all very fair, & balanced, comment, Tommy, & I pretty much accept it at face value.
I resisted replying to the OP originally, but maybe I had my Mr Grumpy head on this morning. It's quite tiresome to so often be inferred as dishonest, or stupid, & see so many of the "SORT IT OUT SKY" type Posts, but yes, perhaps I should have just turned the other cheek. We just go to work & do our job, like you & everyone else, & do our job to the best of our ability, & it is frustrating when we have to take such abuse.
You are a very fine Mod, Mr D, too.
For my part, I apologise if my Post seemed rude, or aggressive.
That's all very fair, & balanced, comment, Tommy, & I pretty much accept it at face value. I resisted replying to the OP originally, but maybe I had my Mr Grumpy head on this morning. It's quite tiresome to so often be inferred as dishonest, or stupid, & see so many of the "SORT IT OUT SKY" type Posts, but yes, perhaps I should have just turned the other cheek. We just go to work & do our job, like you & everyone else, & do our job to the best of our ability, & it is frustrating when we have to take such abuse. You are a very fine Mod, Mr D, too. For my part, I apologise if my Post seemed rude, or aggressive. Posted by Tikay10
I know it's no fun to get so many of those posts directed at you Tikay, I really wouldn't want your PM box. Reasoned well balanced people here know you and other SkyPoker talent/suits/producers are unfairly targeted from time to time on the forum extremely unfairly. And yes sadly people are much less likely to express their appreciation than they are to express their irritation. Just so it's in ink, I appreciate and thoroughly respect your work on the forum and on SkyPoker. I think you do one heck of a job personally, one I know I could never do in any way shape or form.
You can always rely on TommyD to give a well thought out, logical, and intelligent response. This thread could have been closed a long time ago but what better time to do it than now. I really can't see that there's anything more to say on the matter now.
I think why these posts get so argy bargy is its usualy when its a simple comment with no real foundation for a response at all really and we are at fault for jumping into the thread and making a point about something thats pretty much pointless. If we just answered posts that actualy ask constructive questions and dont get so angry cos we think it is a silly statement overal this kind of thing wouldnt happen.
He hasnt responded to any of the posts and it just becomes a moan thread at something we all know shouldnt of been answered anyway. I posted on here purly as i like to talk about situations of hands and i think the majority of us have discussed how we could play a pk pair of Qs in many ways and thats not a bad thing because thats what we like to do and there are some interesting comments. But there is an underlying bad side to this post now and usualy turns into something else entirely and then seems to be you shouldnt of responded that way and then people get offended with each other rather than the person that opened the post who we shouldnt of even responded to in the first place.
So lets all move on and discuss poker on other posts that make more sense
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[QUOTE]I sometimes wonder what planet the 'expert' analysts are on? Recent example: Our hero makes an all-in bet of 2000 when the blinds are 10/20. He has AK. Our 'expert' studio analysts say that it's a definite calll with QQ for an extra 1800. Anyone who claims that this is a half-decent play is talking out of the back of his head. Yet the 'MTT experts'(including most of the top name players on Sky Poker!) I've just been watching on 865 say that this is 100% the correct play. Complete and utter rubbish. Most of the 'experts' are cash-game players and generally clueless about MTTs. BB
Posted by BigBluster
Curious that despite my colleagues & I being roundly villified in that Post, most of the thread AGREES with the expert advice.
There are, quite rightly, also a whole range of alternative views, as the play of a single hand cannot accurately or ever be judged in a vacuum.
The Thread Title adds to the fun, too - "Ridiculous half-baked expert advice".
Quite possibly, Mr Bluster, you are entitled to that view. On behalf of all the Analysts on Ch 865, I would simply say that we will continue to address you, & all our players, in a civil manner, & never be rude to any of you.
Most of the Analysts on Ch 865 - & I will exclude myself - seem to me to be at the very least, "competent". All of us treat our Clients with respect.
A one-way street, it seems.
not quite true, tikay.
i had commented on the new format and that it was tedious, so too did many others. i had not written anything personal yet your producer wrote that i am "ignorant." this was her approach to your customers and certainly at odds with your comments above.
incidentally, i have subsequently had posts deleted (e.g. for being amusing on your serious software thread although subsequent amusing posts were not deleted) and i been given the cold shoulder by a number of skypoker people which has been noticed on here and at the glasgow spt.
so not quite true.
I cannot speak for others, Rob. I was referring specifically, & said as much quite clearly, & repeatedly, to the Analysts, to whom the thread was addressed.
as for the initial hand of calling with QQ aipf. very early, it depends who ur oppo is. it is that simple..
Bluster, you've started a thread which is quite inflammatory as well as borderline defamatory, however you are yet to respond to any replies. Have you just started this thread to get the bile flowing? Is it purely flame-bait? I personally feel the original post is completely misjudged and was designed to draw the reaction it has. I heavily considered snap closing this thread but have decided not to, because while the original post is a black hole of usefulness, the responses from others and hopefully my response (you can be the judge of that) will add something rather than take away.
Expert's advice - Commenting on hands is extremely tricky. When you look in GPC or the clinic you have plenty of time to form your thoughts about the hand, consider in your own time and structure a full reply. That's just not possible on live TV. You don't see the hands beforehand, it's live snap analysis and dead air is a crime, so you have to just plough into it. I cannot remember the show this hand took place on but I know from when I appeared on the show and looked back on a couple of the hands I was saying to myself 'What was i thinking?' and 'How did I miss that question/idea on the hand?' It's exceptionally tough, especially when you are asked to comment on a line you would never take. I imagine it's been a long while since the majority of people on this thread opened a pot to ten times the Big Blind. I haven't done it since a drunken night playing Russians many years ago. How do you get inside a mindset of the hero line when said line is alien to you? Like I said, it's pretty darn tough.
The hand - Tough, I can understand folding. Against a random I'm probably putting the jam on a range of any pair, AT+ KJ+ judging by what I've seen from randoms lately on this and other sites. I don't like calling it all off this early but I am. Against a known player it could be quite different, from easy call to easy pass.
The recent posting of Tikay and Aussie
Tikay, I know it's not pleasant to be used as a virtual Piñata on the forum, where it is quite easy for a practically anonymous person to post anything they like thinking they are without consequences, not acknowledging how these posts can actually wound people (I'm not saying you yourself are wounded by this comment, but I appreciate some of the SkyPoker talent/production team/suits etc would be hurt by some of the posts made that seem to be unappreciative of all the hard work and seem to be completely ignorant). But, and you knew there was a but coming, you don't need to take that passive aggressive line and you certainly, in my opinion, should not infer by the 'one way street' line that many takes the attitude of the original poster. Yes everyone has a bad day and everyone's post history on here has posts in it which on reflection the poster would wish they never made, I know mine has. However despite the recent downturn in the general pleasantness of the forum (which I feel is on an upward curve again) most people mostly post good things. The forum can be a hassle for SkyPoker from time to time, I know most other sites wouldn't do it due to the hassle, but SkyPoker understand that cards in the UK started with card schools, or a community, and it's that unique feature and the usual friendliness of the forum that attracts and keeps players here. And just like in the old card schools, every now again someone says something that makes you want to give them a rebuke. But when a rebuke doesn't help matters, should it be given?
Rob - I think you're a great poster here and I really like you personally. I would say however, and you knew there was a however coming, that the 'tedious' post was in my opinion misjudged or an opinion worded badly. Just as you can word a comment badly, someone can react in a badly formed way.
Also sometimes you, just like me, misjudge when to make a humorous post. I'd much rather you make too many than too few and get the odd one deleted though, much better to do that, but when one or two get taken away, just let it go. As for the SkyPoker peeps giving you the cold shoulder (I'm assuming you are talking of people who work for SkyPoker rather than the community) never forget that they are working, they're not there to socialise and while on the whole they are all very out going and exceptional friendly, on a few occasions they may be so busy it'll come off as cold. From what I heard about the simultaneous SPTs, both sets of crews were rushed off their feet so I'd definitely put the Glasgow SPT down to that rather than anything personal. And as far as I know those deleted posts were not personal, in your words, chillax babe
Now a suggestion. Can we just move onwards and upwards please? If anyone has issue with my post, my PMs are always open.
That's all very fair, & balanced, comment, Tommy, & I pretty much accept it at face value.
I resisted replying to the OP originally, but maybe I had my Mr Grumpy head on this morning. It's quite tiresome to so often be inferred as dishonest, or stupid, & see so many of the "SORT IT OUT SKY" type Posts, but yes, perhaps I should have just turned the other cheek. We just go to work & do our job, like you & everyone else, & do our job to the best of our ability, & it is frustrating when we have to take such abuse.
You are a very fine Mod, Mr D, too.
For my part, I apologise if my Post seemed rude, or aggressive.
He hasnt responded to any of the posts and it just becomes a moan thread at something we all know shouldnt of been answered anyway. I posted on here purly as i like to talk about situations of hands and i think the majority of us have discussed how we could play a pk pair of Qs in many ways and thats not a bad thing because thats what we like to do and there are some interesting comments. But there is an underlying bad side to this post now and usualy turns into something else entirely and then seems to be you shouldnt of responded that way and then people get offended with each other rather than the person that opened the post who we shouldnt of even responded to in the first place.
So lets all move on and discuss poker on other posts that make more sense
Good post, thank you.
And on that note, seems like a good place to end this thread and move onto nicer things!
Thanks
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