To simply be confident in our ability to lose min gain max as said. To be able to take advantage of windows of opportunity and be diciplined enough to not lose money in precarious spots. You know as well as I do that in each comment you mention above, the reasoning can swing both ways. I know both arguments as said. I just personally believe we are denying ourselves opportunities by folding in these spots if we are solid players.
Are we good post? yes/no? Do we feel we have an edge over oppo? Yes/No.
Both of these advantages are diminished a lot by the fact we are oop and have no specific reads.
Are we getting a reasonable price on our money (with money ivested?? Yes/No.
Yes, but money invested is nothing to do with it (and its 0.5BB anyway). As I said the direct odds arent the most important thing here, but before you say it yeah our implieds should be fine too
Do we want our game to be this uber nitty? Yes/no. Do we sometimes have to get a little action to set up action later? Yes/No? Seems like there are more questions and more yes's.
I wouldnt worry too much about being ubernitty. At this level I doubt we need to give action to get it, and I doubt we are pushing marginal hands postflop often enough for it to effect how much action we get Posted by AMYBR
Look, I dont think arguing this around in circles will gain anything for anyone here, and I think calling pre is ok here. Its more a general point that I think you overestimate how profitable these kind of spots are, and also I like K3s a lot better than something like 83o here. I'm just putting forward some counter arguments, and also for some less experienced players (like OP I would think) folding may be better as they wont play as well as you postflop
I do think being oop multiway though negates so much of the skill advantage you should have and also your abilty to manipulate pot size. I know if I am sitting with a fish on my left its so much harder to take his money than when he on my right (Part of that may be leaks of mine though). Doyle said in super system that if a novice played a pro hu with btn every hand novice would prob win. Dont know if I would go that far, but its much harder max value/min losses oop. It will prob be ok to call this kind of spot, but I dont think its going to be massively profitable either.
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I do think being oop multiway though negates so much of the skill advantage you should have and also your abilty to manipulate pot size. I know if I am sitting with a fish on my left its so much harder to take his money than when he on my right (Part of that may be leaks of mine though). Doyle said in super system that if a novice played a pro hu with btn every hand novice would prob win. Dont know if I would go that far, but its much harder max value/min losses oop. It will prob be ok to call this kind of spot, but I dont think its going to be massively profitable either.
But briefly as said from beginning: comes down to personal ability/confidence, knowing what we want to see and ability to extract/deny value.