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Profitable fold against NL20 uber nit?

Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
edited March 2012 in The Poker Clinic

Okay so mainly a tournament player, do okay at them on here but am starting to play some cash as eventually this is were i want to be. Been 4-6 tabling nl20 and 30 and feel very comfortable at this leel and hope to move up the levels soon enough. Obiously as im new ish to cash il be making mistakes so may post a few hands up just to see what im doing right and wrong. The hand in question. This guy 12 tables nl20, is a huge huge nit. With this in mind is this a good or bad fold?

Looking at this hand i cant see one hand im beating that he is re raising me with unless it is a bluff. But maybe im wrong :P

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancefisherking Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £9.35 BigHawk89 Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £19.80  Your hole cards Q A    bichasila Fold     GFKIJKLL Fold     Wacko90 Raise  £0.80 £1.10 £26.05 FORDYCE Call  £0.80 £1.90 £43.34 fisherking Fold     BigHawk89 Call  £0.60 £2.50 £19.20 Flop  10 5 Q    BigHawk89 Check     Wacko90 Bet  £2.00 £4.50 £24.05 FORDYCE Raise  £5.00 £9.50 £38.34 BigHawk89 Fold     Wacko90 Fold     FORDYCE Muck     FORDYCE Win  £6.17  £44.51 FORDYCE Return  £3.00 £0.33 £47.51

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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited March 2012
    JK QK was my obv first thought also.

    But if you have him as an uber nit you kind of have to fold.
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  • MickFoleyMickFoley Member Posts: 86
    edited March 2012
    Tough spot for starters against this particular player from what I rememeber playing with this player. However he is capable of some moves and I have seen some questionable plays from this player . 

    Could possibly call and revaluate the turn if the player you think is capable of raising J9,JK.

    If you dont think player is capable of this then I think this fold is fine. Let him raisie his 55 here or Q10 and take it down and catch him out later, but this has to be player specific in other situation because he is NEVER flatting pree with KK or AA here. 
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited March 2012
    he is not an oober nit

    awful fold
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  • Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
    edited March 2012
    Okay, good advice so far guys ty, so lets assume for arguements sake that it is not a bluff (or so i thought). If i think that this is the case then what hands am i beating, IF i dont think its a bluff..
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited March 2012
    JK QK :p

    I have no notes reads on player.  You do.  I think you do right to stick to your own belief until you know otherwise.

    Aside from this, size of his raise is interesting.
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited March 2012
    He has 10 10 or 5 5. He never has kq here.
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited March 2012
    Haven't played this guy in such a long time.

    Will probably think a folds ok tho.

    The thing with supernits tho is that I end up leveling myself thinking oh gosh 1 day they are going to use their image and turn up with a total air ball so I keep calling/getting it in only to find they ahve a set everytime.
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited March 2012
    good fold.
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  • Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
    edited March 2012
    Yeah I sometimes think that too Scotty sometimes I think he does use is image but I know for sure that a lot of the time he doesn't so didn't see the need to take the risk. Any other player and I look to get the chips in. Think my main problem on cash is making good folds so this is the part I'm trying to improve.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited March 2012
    In Response to Re: Profitable fold against NL20 uber nit?:
    Haven't played this guy in such a long time. Will probably think a folds ok tho. The thing with supernits tho is that I end up leveling myself thinking oh gosh 1 day they are going to use their image and turn up with a total air ball so I keep calling/getting it in only to find they ahve a set everytime.
    Posted by scotty77
    lol - how I relate

    oppo has never got worse, maybe same hand :S


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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited March 2012
    Was arguing with Hoggers the other day about this guy, I described him as "the nittiest player on sky poker".

    Hoggers reckons he's laggy!!!!!!

    Polarised opinion!

    Was this on a tv table wakko? 

    Get it on TV plz!

    I'll have a £1k sidebet with Hoggers that he has 3 5's or 3 10's!

    **edit, fordyce, if you are reading, this would be a great time to post up the Hand History and show a bluff...................................



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  • Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
    edited March 2012
    In Response to Re: Profitable fold against NL20 uber nit?:
    Was arguing with Hoggers the other day about this guy, I described him as "the nittiest player on sky poker". Hoggers reckons he's laggy!!!!!! Polarised opinion! Was this on a tv table wakko?  Get it on TV plz! I'll have a £1k sidebet with Hoggers that he has 3 5's or 3 10's! **edit, fordyce, if you are reading, this would be a great time to post up the Hand History and show a bluff...................................
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    I'm not sure if it was on a tv table tbh! I think its a very interesting hand, if i had just started playing nl20 and have no reads i go with this but knowing the player and the image he has i just didn't feel like i was beating anything he was raising with. I almost hope he was bluffing, would be a good bluff one thing i would say though.... 

    I lost a Bi to him on another table, sat with AQhh and board read something along the lines of 3510 with two hearts. I bet it, he re raised and i got to the stage where if i called i was pot committed anyway so shoved. he had a 33 there and held, so this also contributed to my thinking here.

    Oh and he's definitely not laggy he was playing one hand an hour on every table i was on!
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  • petetheplapetethepla Member Posts: 139
    edited March 2012
    hi wacko m8 a cash table as anyone knows u can reload but this is how i would of played it u bet 2 he raised to 5 u know u have top pair two cards remaining so its 3 to see turn now then yes 10 5 q u know theres no flush draws so if he is on the straight draw i call 3 if he miss that draw u r safe apart fron him hitting two pair or set so pot is 12.50 i then myself i pot bet then if turn  misses then u ship allin and as we dont know the full outcome of hand remains to be seen by maybe the person in question comes on forum and confirm with us

    gl on tables m8  and all pete
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited March 2012
    In Response to Re: Profitable fold against NL20 uber nit?:
    hi wacko m8 a cash table as anyone knows u can reload but this is how i would of played it u bet 2 he raised to 5 u know u have top pair two cards remaining so its 3 to see turn now then yes 10 5 q u know theres no flush draws so if he is on the straight draw i call 3 if he miss that draw u r safe apart fron him hitting two pair or set so pot is 12.50 i then myself i pot bet then if turn  misses then u ship allin and as we dont know the full outcome of hand remains to be seen by maybe the person in question comes on forum and confirm with us gl on tables m8  and all pete
    Posted by petethepla
    Please dont do this lol
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  • simonnatursimonnatur Member Posts: 330
    edited March 2012
    I agree that hds up a flopped set probably just calls here as the board looks reasonably safe, but there is another player in the hand who might want to take a cheap card to complete an open ended str draw if he just flats the flop bet. As we've established there's a whole range of hands that can potentially put more money in the pot, but which would have checked to the raiser on the flop - a good reason for raising

    Playing devil's advocate,,,  other candidates for a raise would be AQ (same hand quite possible), KQ, KJ, maybe even AK if he's feeling frisky.

    On the whole though I don't think a fold here will cost you a lot of money over time.
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  • CrazyBen23CrazyBen23 Member Posts: 865
    edited March 2012
    Amazes me how many of these thick nut peddling clowns let you know what they've got and never slow play.
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  • mattlessmattless Member Posts: 194
    edited March 2012
    He is capable of moves if he views you as loose. He defo has made moves against me. IMO he would not raise with a set on such a dry board more likely he has JQ JK or QK for me
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited March 2012
    i will bet you a buyin he has you beat here. hoggers must be playing a different fordyce, yes he can make moves, but like ben says  i think hes telegraphing this one a bit.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited March 2012
    In Response to Re: Profitable fold against NL20 uber nit?:
    i will bet you a buyin he has you beat here. hoggers must be playing a different fordyce, yes he can make moves, but like ben says  i think hes telegraphing this one a bit.
    Posted by pod1
    I havent played him for a few months, but believe me, when i was grinding nl20 we had some big battles where i called his bluffs. He may have changed his game, i dunno, but i certaintly have not got him in the oober nit category!
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited March 2012
    im not saying ubber nit either not in the same realms as dn.... and dudeskin, but this type of agression against a player like wacko (lag i guess from previous meetings) he will have it.
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