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Profitable fold against NL20 uber nit?

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  • Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
    edited March 2012
    I totally get where your coming from hoggers! I mean tbh i rarely do calld own against this guy but when i have he has ALWAYS had it! So based on that i had to fold. If i had his image |(wish i did sometimes) then id use it to my advantage too!
  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited March 2012
    you got as much chance of getting that image as hoggers :-)
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited March 2012
    In Response to Re: Profitable fold against NL20 uber nit?:
    I totally get where your coming from hoggers! I mean tbh i rarely do calld own against this guy but when i have he has ALWAYS had it! So based on that i had to fold. If i had his image |(wish i did sometimes) then id use it to my advantage too!
    Posted by Wacko90
    long term actually sticking it in here, will give you some idea of how oppo views you - oppo may make the move here with a semi bluff but like what's said above - only if you have been very active with your opens and c bets

    imo if oppo has TPGK - I very much doubt oppo raises flop unless oppo thinks you a no one and stacks with TP hands that stand up bad to AQ

    fold and feel good about it or stick it and find out wtf is going on )
    OPPO is very solid but not a nit imo
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited March 2012
    Didnt think fordyce was that nitty but havent played him much

    Doubt he shows up with KQ much, I think folding is prob ok, its likely a set or KJ and we are not far ahead of KJ. Without history between you air is much less likely
  • NL_KYLENL_KYLE Member Posts: 3
    edited March 2012

    I personally call this, or even shove.

    You are only beaten by 55,1010,QQ,Q10,Q5 or KK/AA.

    From him only calling your raise from the D with the SB and BB after i would rule out KK,AA,QQ.. since you say he is a tight player he wouldnt want a 4 way pot, and he is only increasing the SB/BB's pot odds by only calling.

    I would possibly even say he is re-raising 1010, because it gets out drawn by marginal hands such as QJ and he wouldnt want the blinds to get in for cheaply, which one of them did.

    Due to his tight image im also ruling out Q5.. This leaves his possible range (IMO) at 55,Q10.. And again Q10 is a loose call for such a tight nit as you said? Unless suited I guess.

    Furthermore, if he had made his set, doesnt he flat call your bet increasing the pot odds for the BB to call aswel? And with the intention that you will fire again on the turn? Especially when the board was so weak.

    He could also have had JK and made a semi-bluff, or maybe AK giving him a gutshot and 2 overs (from his perspective).

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    Could he have also just had QK/QJ? Possibly suited, that is within the nits range on the button?

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    This could have been so much easier if you had simply closed your eyes and shoved ;) Haha
    I personally wouldnt be folding in this position, i think that you are winning in this position more times then you are losing but im pretty new to the forums etc. so dont be hating my analysis to much guys :)

  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited March 2012
    if he 3bets TT he def 3bets AK. Wouldnt think he 3bets TT 100% though

    He can prob have 55, KJ, sometimes QT,TT and maybe AQ or air

    Doubt he raises KQ,QJ

    Sometimes though when someone tells you they have a hand they have it even if there are very few combos of it
  • Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
    edited March 2012
    He's not raising kq, kj here. He either has me well beat or has air I think. Thanks for advice everyone interesting hand!
  • SJspanky1SJspanky1 Member Posts: 620
    edited March 2012
    You are behind more often than not here against this opponent even though he has developed some moves in recent months. That said I have you down as pretty loose so surprised you snap fold. I guess Fordyce's image is ultra tight.
  • Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
    edited March 2012
    In Response to Re: Profitable fold against NL20 uber nit?:
    You are behind more often than not here against this opponent even though he has developed some moves in recent months. That said I have you down as pretty loose so surprised you snap fold. I guess Fordyce's image is ultra tight.
    Posted by SJspanky1
    That's what I want you to think ;)
  • DrRunGoodDrRunGood Member Posts: 436
    edited March 2012
    at t5hi level im not folding with tptk i would reraise to £12 or shove on him because if he had aa kk qq i believe he would have reraised pre and didnt looks like a move or same hand if he has trip 10s so be it but i would believe im ahead most times and would be prepared to re raise
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