In Response to Re: Poker tracker software/ Bankroll advice : Are you saying HUDS should be allowed on sky poker?. Seems like a bad comparison, since if someone is noting all hands in a spreadsheet, its going to be a lot harder then simply running a program in the background and letting it track for them. And not only tracking hands, but also displaying stats beside your opponents. There is no doubt that huds provide a massive advantage. Not only this, but on most sites its very easy to datamine hands you werent even involved in. There doesnt seem to be any trust worthy tracking software out there for sky poker, but Im sure there is a people using huds anyway. Posted by Spad3s
I haven't discussed validity of their use, merely explained how and why they work.
Ofc there are different volumes involved with online poker but to take it even slightly seriously you must track your results, not being given an easy way to do this means people have to look elsewhere.
The 'software' originally was built to keep track of results outside of sessions, with recent additions in functionality it is now pretty easy to make the HUD aspect work with sky aswell.
You cant data mine on sky because if you aren't dealt in you don't get to see any of the hh info. (again if you really really wanted to you could probably work out how to get the street by street action of each hand but not the hole card information).
With regards to trustworthyness, the original software that 'fetched' the hh's was trustworthy and had been checked. the 'new iteration' that tries to allow for huds is unchecked and considering the person selling the code has no rights to actually try to make money from it I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them (which as they are a human, wouldn't be very far).
In Response to Re: Poker tracker software/ Bankroll advice : I haven't discussed validity of their use, merely explained how and why they work. Ofc there are different volumes involved with online poker but to take it even slightly seriously you must track your results, not being given an easy way to do this means people have to look elsewhere. The 'software' originally was built to keep track of results outside of sessions, with recent additions in functionality it is now pretty easy to make the HUD aspect work with sky aswell. You cant data mine on sky because if you aren't dealt in you don't get to see any of the hh info. (again if you really really wanted to you could probably work out how to get the street by street action of each hand but not the hole card information). With regards to trustworthyness, the original software that 'fetched' the hh's was trustworthy and had been checked. the 'new iteration' that tries to allow for huds is unchecked and considering the person selling the code has no rights to actually try to make money from it I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them (which as they are a human, wouldn't be very far). Posted by beaneh
Not sure how its easy to get "software" to work on sky.
I own holdem manager which I use on pokerstars. But I would have no clue how to get it to either track hands on sky or work as a HUD.
In Response to Re: Poker tracker software/ Bankroll advice : Not sure how its easy to get "software" to work on sky. I own holdem manager which I use on pokerstars. But I would have no clue how to get it to either track hands on sky or work as a HUD. Posted by Spad3s
When you play on xyz site, you configure it to save the hh information locally (ie a plain text document of standardised descriptors for the action). You then continually save the new hh information there as you get it and your database app. As long as your database can recognise the poker site software on which you are playing then you can get them to interact. For sky you need the 'fetching' app to physically get the hhs into the correct format for your database app to understand.
For sky you need the 'fetching' app to physically get the hhs into the correct format for your database app to understand. Posted by beaneh
Prob an impossible task for the average sky user. To write something to convert the skys HH's into another format. And the HUD is another story altogether.
But I think the point is there is nothing that sky can do to stop an experienced program running their own tracking software and a hud. As long as its not behing sold as commercial software its easy to go under the radar. I dont even know if the sky software scans the processes running on users machines. But even if it did it would have no clue what process to look for in this case. The sky software already saves hh so there is no need for the third party software to even interact with the client, undetectable.
I beleive this is why the likes of pokerstars let HUDS go, rather let everyone have the privilage then a select few. But I still think its better not to allow them, for the long term. But its hard to know how many people on sky actually do cheat by using them.
In Response to Re: Poker tracker software/ Bankroll advice : Prob an impossible task for the average sky user. To write something to convert the skys HH's into another format. And the HUD is another story altogether. But I think the point is there is nothing that sky can do to stop an experienced program running their own tracking software and a hud. As long as its not behing sold as commercial software its easy to go under the radar. I dont even know if the sky software scans the processes running on users machines. But even if it did it would have no clue what process to look for in this case. The sky software already saves hh so there is no need for the third party software to even interact with the client, undetectable. I beleive this is why the likes of pokerstars let HUDS go, rather let everyone have the privilage then a select few. But I still think its better not to allow them, for the long term. But its hard to know how many people on sky actually do cheat by using them. Posted by Spad3s
Again you use the word "cheat" to describe this course of action. How is using your own hand historys to the full extent of your ability cheating?
It's not something I have ever considered, but I expect I could write something within 24 hours to look at betting patterns, 3 bet percentages, VPIP etc.
In Response to Re: Poker tracker software/ Bankroll advice : Prob an impossible task for the average sky user. To write something to convert the skys HH's into another format. And the HUD is another story altogether. But I think the point is there is nothing that sky can do to stop an experienced program running their own tracking software and a hud. As long as its not behing sold as commercial software its easy to go under the radar. I dont even know if the sky software scans the processes running on users machines. But even if it did it would have no clue what process to look for in this case. The sky software already saves hh so there is no need for the third party software to even interact with the client, undetectable. I beleive this is why the likes of pokerstars let HUDS go, rather let everyone have the privilage then a select few. But I still think its better not to allow them, for the long term. But its hard to know how many people on sky actually do cheat by using them. Posted by Spad3s
Granted. The sky software doesn't save files locally hence why the fetching app is required.
The initial fetching software wasn't commercialised in anyway, it was released to download for free. All it required to find it was searching 'Sky Poker hh'. It was released under the GNU license
"the GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change all versions of a program--to make sure it remains free software for all its users."
So when the code is copied and then they try to 'sell' the program it's going completely against the idea behind why the program was created and against the license under it was released.
In Response to Re: Poker tracker software/ Bankroll advice : Again you use the word "cheat" to describe this course of action. How is using your own hand historys to the full extent of your ability cheating? It's not something I have ever considered, but I expect I could write something within 24 hours to look at betting patterns, 3 bet percentages, VPIP etc. Posted by FCHD
If the sky poker rules state you are not allowed use tracking software or huds and you use them I would define that as cheating.
In Response to Re: Poker tracker software/ Bankroll advice : If the sky poker rules state you are not allowed use tracking software or huds and you use them I would define that as cheating. Posted by Spad3s
You need to read carefully.
There is a difference between sky not making people aware that some software is comptaible and sky outlawing the use of them.
IF sky cant police the usage then what use is it of them saying they are banned?
In Response to Re: Poker tracker software/ Bankroll advice : You need to read carefully. There is a difference between sky not making people aware that some software is comptaible and sky outlawing the use of them. IF sky cant police the usage then what use is it of them saying they are banned? Posted by beaneh
Heres sky pokers terms, unclear.
We strictly prohibit the use of any third party external player assistance programs or software ("EPA Programs") which are designed to provide an "Unfair Advantage" to players. EPA Programs include computer software and non-software-based databases or profiles (e.g. web sites and subscription services) which are used by players in connection with our services. An "Unfair Advantage" means any instance in which a player accesses or compiles information on other players beyond that which the player has personally observed through the player’s own game play, other than information or services provided to players directly by us.
You agree that we may take steps to detect and prevent the use of prohibited EPA Programs. These steps may include, but are not limited to, examination of software programs running concurrently with our software on the Customer's computer. You agree that you will not attempt to bypass, interfere with, or block such steps, including, without limitation, the use of third party software that bypasses, interferes with, or blocks such steps.
Notwithstanding any other provision of these terms and conditions, we reserve the right to consider any breach, or evidence thereof in our reasonable opinion, of this section (Manipulation and Unfair Play) as a material breach of these terms and conditions and accordingly we shall have the right to suspend and/or close a Customer's account if a Customer engages or attempts to engage in any such prohibited activity, regardless of the outcome of such attempt.
In Response to Re: Poker tracker software/ Bankroll advice : Heres sky pokers terms, unclear. We strictly prohibit the use of any third party external player assistance programs or software ("EPA Programs") which are designed to provide an "Unfair Advantage" to players. EPA Programs include computer software and non-software-based databases or profiles (e.g. web sites and subscription services) which are used by players in connection with our services. An "Unfair Advantage" means any instance in which a player accesses or compiles information on other players beyond that which the player has personally observed through the player’s own game play, other than information or services provided to players directly by us. You agree that we may take steps to detect and prevent the use of prohibited EPA Programs. These steps may include, but are not limited to, examination of software programs running concurrently with our software on the Customer's computer. You agree that you will not attempt to bypass, interfere with, or block such steps, including, without limitation, the use of third party software that bypasses, interferes with, or blocks such steps. Notwithstanding any other provision of these terms and conditions, we reserve the right to consider any breach, or evidence thereof in our reasonable opinion, of this section (Manipulation and Unfair Play) as a material breach of these terms and conditions and accordingly we shall have the right to suspend and/or close a Customer's account if a Customer engages or attempts to engage in any such prohibited activity, regardless of the outcome of such attempt. Posted by Spad3s
Ty beaneh for your posts, it explains a few things. It was GlifUlose's screenshot that I found (on two+two forum). Then a 'reg' stated that he and others have been using a HUD for ages, hence what I said. Posted by Die_hard
No one had use of a hud as far as I know pre 1/2 weeks before GLs screenshots. It is truly only a recent development.
Because someone comes on & says something, you should not necessarily take it at face value.
You should not believe everything you read, or read too much into carelessly worded Posts.
Let us be clear.
1) Sky Poker do not allow third party tracking software.
2) Sky Poker do not support third party tracking software.
3) Sky Poker do not work with Third Party tracking software suppliers.
4) Sky Poker have taken, do take, & will continue to take, any or all actions necessary to prevent it being used here.
It's a moving target. From time to time individuals cobble together a Heath Robinson affair to circumvent it. When they do, action is taken asap to prevent it. Replace "do" with "did" & "is" with "was" if you wish.
Sky Poker do not suggest anyone is "cheating" as has been suggested on thread a few times, but the Company Policy is quite clear. It is NOT something Sky Poker think is right for the site.
That position will remain unchanged for the foreseeable future. It will be challenged continually, of course, & steps will continue to be taken to combat it.
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Not sure how its easy to get "software" to work on sky.
I own holdem manager which I use on pokerstars. But I would have no clue how to get it to either track hands on sky or work as a HUD.
But I think the point is there is nothing that sky can do to stop an experienced program running their own tracking software and a hud. As long as its not behing sold as commercial software its easy to go under the radar. I dont even know if the sky software scans the processes running on users machines. But even if it did it would have no clue what process to look for in this case.
The sky software already saves hh so there is no need for the third party software to even interact with the client, undetectable.
I beleive this is why the likes of pokerstars let HUDS go, rather let everyone have the privilage then a select few. But I still think its better not to allow them, for the long term. But its hard to know how many people on sky actually do cheat by using them.
It's not something I have ever considered, but I expect I could write something within 24 hours to look at betting patterns, 3 bet percentages, VPIP etc.
So when the code is copied and then they try to 'sell' the program it's going completely against the idea behind why the program was created and against the license under it was released.
So huds and tracking software is allowed?
Gents - this thread really worries me.
Because someone comes on & says something, you should not necessarily take it at face value.
You should not believe everything you read, or read too much into carelessly worded Posts.
Let us be clear.
1) Sky Poker do not allow third party tracking software.
2) Sky Poker do not support third party tracking software.
3) Sky Poker do not work with Third Party tracking software suppliers.
4) Sky Poker have taken, do take, & will continue to take, any or all actions necessary to prevent it being used here.
It's a moving target. From time to time individuals cobble together a Heath Robinson affair to circumvent it. When they do, action is taken asap to prevent it. Replace "do" with "did" & "is" with "was" if you wish.
Sky Poker do not suggest anyone is "cheating" as has been suggested on thread a few times, but the Company Policy is quite clear. It is NOT something Sky Poker think is right for the site.
That position will remain unchanged for the foreseeable future. It will be challenged continually, of course, & steps will continue to be taken to combat it.