In response to the replies that said to flat this 3-bet.
The main problem with this is that not only would we be playing out of position which is never good hoping to hit the flop which we will do only 1 in 3 times and then not sure where we are even if we do hit. But there are still 2 people left to act after us preflop. All the assumptions being made to justify a call here are that the original limper had a junk hand and will fold and that ryan only raised the way he did to isolate the limper in position. Although it is unlikely that the original limper has much, can we easily say that ryan has nothing here. So a call by us could just lead to a 4-bet shove coming in preflop and then we are being asked to call off our entire stack or fold after putting a big chunk in.
We can only justify a call here if we can guarantee getting it heads up with then being prepared to go with it if we hit the flop. As it is we can not say this with any real conviction because of the players left to act before we get to the 3-better. Making any assumptions on relative hand strength of 1 player is hard but to do it with all 3 with that much of our stack can never be a great idea.
This is why for me we can not call in this situation. It is always better to ask questions rather than just sit there and answer them. Guaranteed HU pot changes the dynamic totally but as it stands this is not the way this hand is developing. The call will give people the notion that they have the odds to call and see the flop and that makes it automatically an allin bet size on any flop because of the multiway action in an inflated pot.
No reads on Mister_M, obvz Scotty has any 2 but can I continue here with large 3bet ? Dudeskin8 Small blind 10.00 10.00 2075.00 MAGICM8 Big blind 20.00 30.00 1915.00 Your hole cards K A hoggystyle Call 20.00 50.00 1790.00 scotty77 Raise 80.00 130.00 1890.00 font8a Fold Mister_M Raise 340.00 470.00 2000.00 Dudeskin8 Posted by Dudeskin8
I'd probably bin it, sounds nitty (Me? Nit?!) but we've still got 100bb, we can find a better spot.
I don't like calling at all here out of position, even more so when we're not closing the action. I'm either 4-betting all in or folding, depends on the structure as much as the players involved.
In a BH with 10 min blinds, I probably shove here. In something with a slower structure, I can fold and wait for better spots to accumulate chips.
Geez, what is goin onn! i remember when there was a time when Ak never got layed down pre! what is goin on with all this fold business with Ak in a 6max mtt, some geezer 3bets the button and your talking as if he has Aces just 4 bet or ship it
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The main problem with this is that not only would we be playing out of position which is never good hoping to hit the flop which we will do only 1 in 3 times and then not sure where we are even if we do hit. But there are still 2 people left to act after us preflop.
All the assumptions being made to justify a call here are that the original limper had a junk hand and will fold and that ryan only raised the way he did to isolate the limper in position. Although it is unlikely that the original limper has much, can we easily say that ryan has nothing here. So a call by us could just lead to a 4-bet shove coming in preflop and then we are being asked to call off our entire stack or fold after putting a big chunk in.
We can only justify a call here if we can guarantee getting it heads up with then being prepared to go with it if we hit the flop. As it is we can not say this with any real conviction because of the players left to act before we get to the 3-better. Making any assumptions on relative hand strength of 1 player is hard but to do it with all 3 with that much of our stack can never be a great idea.
This is why for me we can not call in this situation. It is always better to ask questions rather than just sit there and answer them. Guaranteed HU pot changes the dynamic totally but as it stands this is not the way this hand is developing. The call will give people the notion that they have the odds to call and see the flop and that makes it automatically an allin bet size on any flop because of the multiway action in an inflated pot.