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Rake calculation

Spad3sSpad3s Member Posts: 269
edited April 2012 in Poker Chat
Can we have a thread to talk about rake?.

I keep trying to post in ones created today but they keep closing before I can.

I found Tikays post below, but is there an explanation of how much rake is paid on pots anywhere?. E.G,  if I play nl50 and win a pot for 100 pound, how much rake is paid. Or if the pot is only small and big blind, 1.50, how much rake is paid.
Sorry couldnt find on site anywhere.

By the way I calculated how much "moneyback" you would get for sngs. If you get 12000 points in a month you will get about 30 percent of the rake you paid back. Not bad at all, but you have to put in a lot of play. If you get 50000 points you get 60 percent, but I dont think any average player will even get close to that.


Tikays post -

The Cash for Points system is clearly explained
HERE

The way Poker Points are earned is HERE
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited April 2012
    its not rake its c4pts!!!!!  lol

  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    its not rake its c4pts!!!!!  lol
    Posted by pod1
    C4P is rakeback!!!

    Oh and I tried replying to Scotty in the last thread :/


    In Response to Re: Closed threads:
    In Response to Re: Closed threads : I think its because 'rakeback' payments aren't given by the sites themselves. Rakeback works by affiliates doing deals with the various rooms and then distributing the rakeback payment every month.  This is why the network poker rooms are dying a slow death as they are all trying to undercut each other...whcih looks great for a grinder in the short term but for the long term health of the room is disasterous. Sky is one of the very few rooms that regulate these payments itself, making it a far far safer systems as there have been some big rakeback affilate sites who have just taken the big nice rakeback payment for all of its customers and done a runner. Posted by scotty77
      My only problem with this system is how bad the deal for micro stakes players is, with the increased rake at the lower levels (Backwards logic) they can only recieve about ~5% rakeback at most.  IMO they need to sweeten the deal for the lower stakes players, all the talk of liquidity and longetivity from the Contributed vs Dealt hands in cash C4P thread comes to mind.
  • Die_hardDie_hard Member Posts: 338
    edited April 2012
    Oh God, sorry :(

    (OP - apologies too for not replying to your pm about how to get a HUD working - I won't be replying either - they're not supported on here anyway))
  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited April 2012
    here is what Sky rake


    30pc at 12k points seems about right.
  • Spad3sSpad3s Member Posts: 269
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    Oh God, sorry :( (OP - apologies too for not replying to your pm about how to get a HUD working - I won't be replying either - they're not supported on here anyway))
    Posted by Die_hard
    I can tell you I have never used anything not allowed on the site, always good to know whats out there though.
  • Spad3sSpad3s Member Posts: 269
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation : C4P is rakeback!!! Oh and I tried replying to Scotty in the last thread :/ In Response to Re: Closed threads:   My only problem with this system is how bad the deal for micro stakes players is, with the increased rake at the lower levels (Backwards logic) they can only recieve about ~5% rakeback at most.  IMO they need to sweeten the deal for the lower stakes players, all the talk of liquidity and longetivity from the Contributed vs Dealt hands in cash C4P thread comes to mind.
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    Seems low, but I guess they want to encourage people to put in more time. A lot of sites are doing that now.
  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited April 2012
    It's not rake back, it's exactly what it says on the tin - Cash for Points.

    You're asking the wrong question, what you should be asking if 'rakeback' is important to you is:  given the system in place, how do I best maximise my returns.
  • Spad3sSpad3s Member Posts: 269
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    here is what Sky rake http://help.skybet.com/display/4/kb/article.aspx?aid=1143&n=1&docid=6661&tab=search 30pc at 12k points seems about right.
    Posted by scotty77
    Thanks,

  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited April 2012
    rakeback is usually given by an affiliate site not the actual poker room.  pokerstars do not give rakeback.

    sky reward cash for points.  there are no sites that offer rakeback for playing on sky (to my knowledge)

    rakeback and cash for points are not the same thing.
  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited April 2012
    see, told ya poker fail :-)
  • Spad3sSpad3s Member Posts: 269
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    rakeback is usually given by an affiliate site not the actual poker room.  pokerstars do not give rakeback. sky reward cash for points.  there are no sites that offer rakeback for playing on sky (to my knowledge) rakeback and cash for points are not the same thing.
    Posted by huuuuume[/QUOT]

    Obviously they are different in that there is no affiliate.
    But it doesnt really make a difference to the player who pays their rakeback.

    You know if you rake x amount playing sngs you will get y amount back. More complicated in cash games, because they have an unusual way of giving out points in cash.
  • Die_hardDie_hard Member Posts: 338
    edited April 2012

    Obviously there's loads of affiliates out there, but I've had deals from all the last 4 sites I've played on directly.

  • Spad3sSpad3s Member Posts: 269
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    Obviously there's loads of affiliates out there, but I've had deals from all the last 4 sites I've played on directly.
    Posted by Die_hard

    Not on sky poker you havent.
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    rakeback is usually given by an affiliate site not the actual poker room.  pokerstars do not give rakeback. sky reward cash for points.  there are no sites that offer rakeback for playing on sky (to my knowledge) rakeback and cash for points are not the same thing.
    Posted by huuuuume
    If rakeback was a brand I would agree with this, however it is not.

    With cash 4 Points you pay a certain ammount in rake and get a certain ammount of cash, therefore it IS rake given back, Therefore it IS rakeback!

    God, I'm so pedantic...
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    It's not rake back, it's exactly what it says on the tin - Cash for Points. You're asking the wrong question, what you should be asking if 'rakeback' is important to you is:  given the system in place, how do I best maximise my returns.
    Posted by Slykllist
    Oi Fish ;)

    That is only part of the matter.

    It is Cash for Points for Rake.

    That = Cash for Rake.
  • Die_hardDie_hard Member Posts: 338
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation : Not on sky poker you havent.
    Posted by Spad3s
    Correct.

    (Before Sky :)
  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation : If rakeback was a brand I would agree with this, however it is not. With cash 4 Points you pay a certain ammount in rake and get a certain ammount of cash, therefore it IS rake given back, Therefore it IS rakeback! God, I'm so pedantic...
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    that is not how it works.

    as things currently stand the amount of points you get is not directly linked to how much you pay in rake e.g. sky do not look at how much rake you have paid and decide to return a certain % as is usually the case with rakeback on other poker sites. 

    you are awarded points depending on the number of raked hands you are involved in not how much rake you contribute to the pot (see weighted contribution thread) so no it is not rakeback e.g. if you are dealt in for 20 hands you will get a certain number of points which doesnt change regardless of how much you contribute to the rake during these hands.  you get the same points if you fold every hand or if you play every hand so therefore it has nothing to do with how much you pay in rake.

    obviously the more hands you play the more points you get but you do not get more points for contributing a greater amount to the rake so therefore it is not the same as rakeback

    cash for points is a reward based on the number of hands played - more hands = more reward.
  • Spad3sSpad3s Member Posts: 269
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation : that is not how it works. as things currently stand the amount of points you get is not directly linked to how much you pay in rake e.g. sky do not look at how much rake you have paid and decide to return a certain % as is usually the case with rakeback on other poker sites.  you are awarded points depending on the number of raked hands you are involved in not how much rake you contribute to the pot (see weighted contribution thread) so no it is not rakeback e.g. if you are dealt in for 20 hands you will get a certain number of points which doesnt change regardless of how much you contribute to the rake during these hands.  you get the same points if you fold every hand or if you play every hand so therefore it has nothing to do with how much you pay in rake. obviously the more hands you play the more points you get but you do not get more points for contributing a greater amount to the rake so therefore it is not the same as rakeback cash for points is a reward based on the number of hands played - more hands = more reward.
    Posted by huuuuume
    For sngs its based on rake. So I would call it rakeback when it comes to sngs. There is just a different level of rakeback depending on how much you rake(which is not unusual for affiliates to offer).

    Yes for cash its a bit different but not much, since generally the more hands you play the more you will rake anyway.
  • Spad3sSpad3s Member Posts: 269
    edited April 2012
    Found out that you dont get any points for the rake you pay for a tourney unless you finish high up.

    Payed 110 pounds(10 rake) for the easter sunday tourney and expected to get 100 points, got nothing.
    Cant understand why this is. I think only the top 20 out of the 340 entries get any points for the rake they paid.

    Doesnt seem very fair.
  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Rake calculation:
    Found out that you dont get any points for the rake you pay for a tourney unless you finish high up. Payed 110 pounds(10 rake) for the easter sunday tourney and expected to get 100 points, got nothing. Cant understand why this is. I think only the top 20 out of the 340 entries get any points for the rake they paid. Doesnt seem very fair.
    Posted by Spad3s
    This isn't true.  You may be confusing poker points and league points 
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