I stick by the earlier post, but it being a sat we can argue for making a tight fold. Finding a spot where we have less resistance and more working in a favour.
Maybe I'm wrong but the way I see it, there's 450 in the pot which could be an additional 20% to my stack... Now what does he raise the button with considering how often he's raising the button... 22+, maybe any Ace, K9+, Q9+, J9+, tons of connector cards, tons of suited 1 gappers, maybe more than this. Then how many hands does he call a shove with... probably less than 5% of the hands he's gonna raise with?
I have decent equity against virtually any hand (other than AA) and have a VERY high chance of taking it down pre-flop.
its easy s[ot to shove with this shove u are getting pair 7s down to fold from initial raiser and same hand as u a9 a8 etc to fold imo i think its a fine shove to get extra 450 chips and i think its +ev Posted by IDONKCALLU
I would be very tempted to hit the fold button pre in a sattelite in this situation with these stacks against that villain, as i know he will rarely raise fold and he certainly wont call with worse. Also agree with GT, that our hand may as well be A2. If im playing well i fold, and i do have a good record in these sats playing risk adverse stuff. But, if i am playing this hand, i ship it pre alot against what seems to be a serial button raiser (fwiw i dont think the villain is this, i think he just happened to have hands).
I hate the idea of 3 bet folding!
p.s lambert, i seem to remember a lot of similar SPT sat threads from you, you dont seem to have much luck do ya? Hope you bag your seat soon mate.
Maybe I'm wrong but the way I see it, there's 450 in the pot which could be an additional 20% to my stack... Now what does he raise the button with considering how often he's raising the button... 22+, maybe any Ace, K9+, Q9+, J9+, tons of connector cards, tons of suited 1 gappers, maybe more than this. Then how many hands does he call a shove with... probably less than 5% of the hands he's gonna raise with? I have decent equity against virtually any hand (other than AA) and have a VERY high chance of taking it down pre-flop. Posted by Lambert180
Simple risk versus reward
The whole reason raise sizes have got smaller is because of this, where you can open and 3 bet smaller and no need to commit or jam. Combined with the game becoming more aggressive, players realised even though you get involved a lot more you don't need to be putting a lot of chips in the middle.
jamming stack to win 450 is not required, when a 3 bet to 800 does the same job.
Against oppo calling range your equity doesn't get above 40%, unless there is like a lot of history between you.
Why would you bang it in and be happy at best to be 40%, because that's what your doing effectivly
With our FE what hands do we hope oppo folds in a btn v sb set up
As GT states before there are options here, depends on dynamics.
Actually choosing the best option would imo depend on the history between you
A shove is only getting called by A9/A8/KQ/22-99 if there has been a history between you both on the table If oppo calls your jam with the range above then he must think you have nothing or very little, and to create the "I have nothing, I am just 3 betting you again or just jamming air" there has to be history
Picking up A10 with that stack with no history with oppo and just jamming it in the eye, is IMHO just not required
It would seem it's an option that's just easy and because your oop it would just seem the obvious anwser.
I mean you could even flat if you wanna play pokerz, we could c/c, c/f or c/r flop - obviously not the easiest route but sometimes we have to go with it
Honestly if the spot feels uncomforatble because of situation and your NOT 100% sure of what to do, then fold
Similar to 20bb stack and picking up 22 UTG, easy fold right )
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If oppo is tooight I prob take this line.
But as is I get it in for all the reasons stated.
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I have decent equity against virtually any hand (other than AA) and have a VERY high chance of taking it down pre-flop.
I would be very tempted to hit the fold button pre in a sattelite in this situation with these stacks against that villain, as i know he will rarely raise fold and he certainly wont call with worse. Also agree with GT, that our hand may as well be A2. If im playing well i fold, and i do have a good record in these sats playing risk adverse stuff.
But, if i am playing this hand, i ship it pre alot against what seems to be a serial button raiser (fwiw i dont think the villain is this, i think he just happened to have hands).
I hate the idea of 3 bet folding!
p.s lambert, i seem to remember a lot of similar SPT sat threads from you, you dont seem to have much luck do ya? Hope you bag your seat soon mate.
The whole reason raise sizes have got smaller is because of this, where you can open and 3 bet smaller and no need to commit or jam. Combined with the game becoming more aggressive, players realised even though you get involved a lot more you don't need to be putting a lot of chips in the middle.
jamming stack to win 450 is not required, when a 3 bet to 800 does the same job.
Against oppo calling range your equity doesn't get above 40%, unless there is like a lot of history between you.
Why would you bang it in and be happy at best to be 40%, because that's what your doing effectivly
With our FE what hands do we hope oppo folds in a btn v sb set up
As GT states before there are options here, depends on dynamics.
Actually choosing the best option would imo depend on the history between you
A shove is only getting called by A9/A8/KQ/22-99 if there has been a history between you both on the table
If oppo calls your jam with the range above then he must think you have nothing or very little, and to create the "I have nothing, I am just 3 betting you again or just jamming air" there has to be history
Picking up A10 with that stack with no history with oppo and just jamming it in the eye, is IMHO just not required
It would seem it's an option that's just easy and because your oop it would just seem the obvious anwser.
I mean you could even flat if you wanna play pokerz, we could c/c, c/f or c/r flop - obviously not the easiest route but sometimes we have to go with it
Honestly if the spot feels uncomforatble because of situation and your NOT 100% sure of what to do, then fold
Similar to 20bb stack and picking up 22 UTG, easy fold right )