Cash tables minimum buy in

Spad3s

Can sky increase the min buy in on cash tables to at least 30 bb instead of 20.

Starting to see multitabling shortstackers sitting there and pushing allin with hands like ak ak aa etc depending on situation....then leaving when they double up.

They have a significant advantage over rest of table playing deep.

scotty77

Yes this is very annoying.

But it was 10bb min like only a couple of months back.

Die_hard

Rosie immediately springs to mind lol.

Played her/him at 100nl & 50nl 2 weeks ago and now he's just buying in on every table for the minimum.

BUT, he was right up there on the leaderboard earlier, so presumably getting a load back in C4P.

Obviously they can play with however much they want to and shortstacking can be a profitable way of playing if you know what you're doing, however, it's most annoying not actually being able to play normal poker half the time with 20 bb'ers there lol.

As scotty says at least it's been upped to 20bb, as 10bb was just a joke, but it's still incredibly annoying. I wouldn't mind so much if there were just some MIN 30/40 bb buyin tables as well as the others - we already have Mastercash (200 bb) and Deep Stack (250 bb) so can't see there being a 30/40 bb min buyin table(s) being a problem.

oynutter

How significant is their advantage exactly?

sillymunch

then when they shove dont get involved, if your sure thats what they are shoving with then take a note and dont call them without a good enough hand

oynutter

If Scoty77 finds it "very annoying", then surely it's worth a laugh innit?-- If you try it and he don't seem annoyed, just get in the chat box and say " how's it going ry ry"

WHOAMI196

theres only one that springs to mind that does this @50NL, and he/she is not too much of a trouble tbh(not saying he/she is bad), been in a few flips; won more than i have lost i think and have not seen this player hit and run!, but if many started this strategy i would just open all deep tables, and plus its not a popular strategy, but i have played with some guys with impressive profit after like 5k hands on other sites.

Tables seesm to be messy imo, you have deep stackes with buy in of 200bb 50NL which is cool(is the minimum 50bb?) + then 250bb tables whats up with that, i have like a ocd thing with things being "squared" oragnised etc, so when they are not it's annoying lol.

Theres only two types of tables needed imo 20bb/100bb tables and 100bb-200bb tables, or Ante tables which are bad a-ss btw.

FCHD

In Response to Cash tables minimum buy in:

Can sky increase the min buy in on cash tables to at least 30 bb instead of 20. Starting to see multitabling shortstackers sitting there and pushing allin with hands like ak ak aa etc depending on situation....then leaving when they double up. They have a significant advantage over rest of table playing deep.
Posted by Spad3s

If short-stackers have a significant advantage, why don't you do it then?

The minimum was raised from 10 to 20 Big Blinds not that long ago, short-stacking is a legitimate way of playing cash poker and if you don't like it, I'm sorry that's tough. If they're only shoving with premium hands, then surely it is easy enough to fold to those shoves and wait for a better spot yourself?

Sky_Poker

It's an interesting debate and. as usual, one with pros and cons.

Why not start a poll to see what people think?

Plus as some of you have spotted, not all tables have the same buy-in levels.

Thanks
Sky Poker

FCHD

In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in:

It's an interesting debate and. as usual, one with pros and cons. Why not start a poll to see what people think? Plus as some of you have spotted, not all tables have the same buy-in levels. Thanks Sky Poker
Posted by Sky_Poker

Like the very same poll we had a couple of months ago when the minimum buy-in was raised from 10 big blinds to 20?

Spad3s

In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in:

In Response to Cash tables minimum buy in : If short-stackers have a significant advantage, why don't you do it then? The minimum was raised from 10 to 20 Big Blinds not that long ago, short-stacking is a legitimate way of playing cash poker and if you don't like it, I'm sorry that's tough. If they're only shoving with premium hands, then surely it is easy enough to fold to those shoves and wait for a better spot yourself?
Posted by FCHD

Its not as simple as that. Its not possible to play effectively against a shortstack while at the same time playing effectively against a deepstack. Thats where the shortstack gains their edge and ruins the games at the same time.

Simple example, imagine loose bad player raises from utg with kt suited with 100bb stack.
Next guy calls with tj suited wanting to play against weak player in deep stack.
I call from button with 33 wanting to see a flop.
Shortstack guy now pushes allin with 99 from big blind.

Playing shortstack gives endless oportunities like this to steal dead money, because everyone else at the table is playing deepstack poker. Not only that but it ruins the game for everyone else at the table.

Its been a problem on other sites and they all end up increases the min buyin eventually.

Sky_Poker

In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in:

In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in : Like the very same poll we had a couple of months ago when the minimum buy-in was raised from 10 big blinds to 20?
Posted by FCHD

No it's different.

Given the increase already and effective removal of 10BB option.

Thanks
Sky Poker

sikas

i think every1 is referring to 'rosie_47' lol

there is merit to pro-shortstacking, but on the other hand tilts me to ****

no1 really minds shortstacking 'fish' but we dont really like to see good shortstackers

pro-shortstacking does have a negative effect on a 100bb table dynamic imo...but then again if u increased the Min-buyin to 40bb then there is of course a pro-strategy to playing that stack....so i guess leave it as is

....

just ban 'rosie_47' imo lol

FlashFlush

In Response to Cash tables minimum buy in:

Can sky increase the min buy in on cash tables to at least 30 bb instead of 20. Starting to see multitabling shortstackers sitting there and pushing allin with hands like ak ak aa etc depending on situation....then leaving when they double up. They have a significant advantage over rest of table playing deep.
Posted by Spad3s

I think you will find the person in questions starting range is a LOT wider than that. I've seen the chips go in with any PP and hands like QJ, J10 etc. If I had 5 people like that on my table all the time I'd give up work.

Spad3s

In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in:

In Response to Cash tables minimum buy in : I think you will find the person in questions starting range is a LOT wider than that. I've seen the chips go in with any PP and hands like QJ, J10 etc. If I had 5 people like that on my table all the time I'd give up work.
Posted by FlashFlush

Obviously range is much wider depending on situation. In many situation its going to be profitable to push with hands like qj and qt.
But Im not talking about anyone in particular.

Spad3s

In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in:

i think every1 is referring to 'rosie_47' lol there is merit to pro-shortstacking, but on the other hand tilts me to **** no1 really minds shortstacking 'fish' but we dont really like to see good shortstackers pro-shortstacking does have a negative effect on a 100bb table dynamic imo...but then again if u increased the Min-buyin to 40bb then there is of course a pro-strategy to playing that stack....so i guess leave it as is .... just ban 'rosie_47' imo lol
Posted by sikas

Actually once you get to 40bb the shortstacker strategy fails to work I think. If anything I would say the 100bb stack has the advantage over the 40bb stack. With 40bb you have to play flops but dont win big stacks with your big hands.

step7

Agreed there should be a good proportion of tables with a decent min buy in (40BB?). I've got no problem with a few cash tables where peeps can play the last 37p of their roll off at NL4 either, as long as there is a mix of both.

Not wanting to derail this thread into a short stacker rant but I think the greatest annoyance is they pollute the game when much deeper stacks are involved. I don't mind taking the shorties on and doubling or busting them, but if I'm trying to bag a 180BB stack by set mining or playing my suited conns I get miffed when I can't because some 16BB shortie is shoving over my 3x open constantly and ruining any implied odds I have on the deep stacks.

I think it's in Sky's interest to have decent min buy tables, it encourages deeper stacks to stick around, bigger pots and hence more rake!

Sky_Poker

A reminder of the existing table buy-in levels:

'Deep' Tables = 100 to 250 Big Blinds
'Mastercash' Tables = 50 to 200 Big Blinds
'Standard' Tables = 20 to 100 Big Blinds

Thanks
Sky Poker

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in:

A reminder of the existing table buy-in levels: 'Deep' Tables = 100 to 250 Big Blinds 'Mastercash' Tables = 50 to 200 Big Blinds 'Standard' Tables = 20 to 100 Big Blinds Thanks Sky Poker
Posted by Sky_Poker

The deep tables is a bit pointless imho,its difficult to get 200bb in the middle tbh, why not scrap "deep tables" for ante tables, more action,thus more fun, more rake per hand possibly? 

Edit: so Deep tables 50/100bb-200bb
   Action/Ante tables      100bb-200bb/250bb + Ante 
      Standard tables        20bb-100bb

Anyone disagree/agree

Spad3s

In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in:

A reminder of the existing table buy-in levels: 'Deep' Tables = 100 to 250 Big Blinds 'Mastercash' Tables = 50 to 200 Big Blinds 'Standard' Tables = 20 to 100 Big Blinds Thanks Sky Poker
Posted by Sky_Poker

I think the best mix would be to change the standard tables to 40 to 100  Big blinds.

Then create a new table 10 - 20 bb so anyone who wants to play short can, but just not against deep stacks.

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in:

In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in : I think the best mix would be to change the standard tables to 40 to 100  Big blinds. Then create a new table 10 - 20 bb so anyone who wants to play short can, but just not against deep stacks.
Posted by Spad3s

Because sky is a small but growing site, i think it needs to be friendly for all players imo, the 20bb-100bb are generally the most profitable, adding 10-20bb tables will take the easy value away? plus short stackin v short stacking does not work i don think?