I'm forced to lol at this thread and lol really hard.
I'm sorry to point this out but the thread basically says this:
"I'm playing against people that make it hard for me to win money. I haven't developed a winning strategy for dealing with them so I want Sky Poker to deal with these people for me"
"I can't set mine with my 33 against people with 16BB!" - That's right, you can't. So deal with it. Do something different. The game is here for everybody and they are as entitled to play a 20BB buy-in as you are to play a 100BB buy-in.
Short stackers have no particular advantage. If they're beating you and taking your money it's because they're playing better than you. If you don't want these people at your table, get up and go to a different one.
I'm forced to lol at this thread and lol really hard. I'm sorry to point this out but the thread basically says this: "I'm playing against people that make it hard for me to win money. I haven't developed a winning strategy for dealing with them so I want Sky Poker to deal with these people for me" "I can't set mine with my 33 against people with 16BB!" - That's right, you can't. So deal with it. Do something different. The game is here for everybody and they are as entitled to play a 20BB buy-in as you are to play a 100BB buy-in. Short stackers have no particular advantage. If they're beating you and taking your money it's because they're playing better than you. If you don't want these people at your table, get up and go to a different one. Posted by BorinLoner
+1 the only real issue i have with it is hit and run/ratholing, but im pretty sure the player in question doesnt do this ?
I'm forced to lol at this thread and lol really hard. I'm sorry to point this out but the thread basically says this: "I'm playing against people that make it hard for me to win money. I haven't developed a winning strategy for dealing with them so I want Sky Poker to deal with these people for me" "I can't set mine with my 33 against people with 16BB!" - That's right, you can't. So deal with it. Do something different. The game is here for everybody and they are as entitled to play a 20BB buy-in as you are to play a 100BB buy-in. Short stackers have no particular advantage. If they're beating you and taking your money it's because they're playing better than you. If you don't want these people at your table, get up and go to a different one. Posted by BorinLoner
+1....tilts me, but yeah jst deal with it
fwiw i think the sky table format should be
Standard 20-100bb
Deep 100-250bb's (mayb even upto 500!)
Master Cash 50-200bb
and i think 'Action Tables' should be scrapped all together and replaced with 50-200bb ANTE tables, and i DONT like the idea of Short Tables 10-20bb's
p.s. re: spad3s 40bb strategy isnt shortstacking, its a different strategy all together 'YourDoom' is/was world #1 overall highest winrate winner at nl2k by playing a 40bb strategy...i.e. theres a specialised strategies for playing whatever your stack size is and what stack size ur playing against
I'm forced to lol at this thread and lol really hard. I'm sorry to point this out but the thread basically says this: "I'm playing against people that make it hard for me to win money. I haven't developed a winning strategy for dealing with them so I want Sky Poker to deal with these people for me" "I can't set mine with my 33 against people with 16BB!" - That's right, you can't. So deal with it. Do something different. The game is here for everybody and they are as entitled to play a 20BB buy-in as you are to play a 100BB buy-in. Short stackers have no particular advantage. If they're beating you and taking your money it's because they're playing better than you. If you don't want these people at your table, get up and go to a different one. Posted by BorinLoner
Actually shortstacks do have an advantage playing on a table full of deepstacks.
The hand wasnt complaining that I cant set mine, it was demonstrating that its impossible to play correct against both short stacks and deep stacks at the same time. If everyone was short I would just fold my 33. I made correct play by calling against deep stack, but incorrect play on a shortstack table. If i was to fold I would be playing correct against shortstacks but incorrect against deep. This is where the advantage is gained by playing short on a deepstack table. Other players will be playing a much wider range preflop.
Hasnt become a problem yet as most shortstackers are poor players, but Ive seen it become a big problem on other sites and maybe other regulars could change their tune then.
In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in : +1 the only real issue i have with it is hit and run/ratholing, but im pretty sure the player in question doesnt do this ? Posted by LOL_RAISE
Ive been seeing players doing this lately. Leaving as soon as they go over 30 bb.
In Response to Re: Cash tables minimum buy in : Actually shortstacks do have an advantage playing on a table full of deepstacks. The hand wasnt complaining that I cant set mine, it was demonstrating that its impossible to play correct against both short stacks and deep stacks at the same time. If everyone was short I would just fold my 33. I made correct play by calling against deep stack, but incorrect play on a shortstack table. If i was to fold I would be playing correct against shortstacks but incorrect against deep. This is where the advantage is gained by playing short on a deepstack table. Other players will be playing a much wider range preflop. Hasnt become a problem yet as most shortstackers are poor players, but Ive seen it become a big problem on other sites and maybe other regulars could change their tune then. Posted by Spad3s
I'm sorry but poker's about adapting to your opponents, not assuming that everyone should play the same way with the same stack. You can always play heads-up if you want to know which of your opponents is going to be in the hand but in 6-max you've got to adapt to the different possibilities. If there's a chance that the short-stack is going to come into the pot behind you, then adapt your play against the deeper players. It's part of the table dynamic.
You can't complain about the way other players are playing, just because it ruins your strategy for exploiting other players at the table. They have adopted a strategy to exploit you which is good play on their part. They don't have an advantage over deeper players, they have advantages over players that don't know how to play against them.
Isnt a big problem on Sky poker yet anyway, so doesnt make a huge difference yet.
But I think it would be good to follow Pokerstars tables, 40-100bb standard and 20-50bb tables for shorstacks. I dont think people should not be allowed buy in short if they want but only that they should have their own tables, so they dont gain an advantage on deepstacks. But maybe Sky doesnt have enough players for that yet.
For now I might give some shortstacking a go later:).....see how I do.
If you think shortstacks have such an edge, why don't u shortstack ? Make lots of money, and keep quiet. I think it's pretty clear they no not have any edge at all, as none of the big names on Sky or in the poker world shortstack.
I think it would be fair to say 90 percent of shortstackers are recreational and/or weekend players, who play for abit of fun. The other 10 percent, basically havn't grasped the concept of playing 100bb yet, and are shortstacking because they see this as a simple way of building their bankroll for the time being, against players who can't play against shortstackers, for whatever reason. Fair play to them.
i dont think thats true 1267 on other sites you definately get people who are 'pro' shortstackers so there is an edge granted not a big edge after rake, but including RB as they can play tonnes of tables because 20bb poker is incredibly simple compared to 100bb poker they can make decent money at it.
i believe one guy on another site got over 3mil vpp's in a year (there highest reward tier is for people to get />1mm) which is prob worth like $250k+
Have you ever watched late night poker, you get people like the recreational poker players who BI for 100k, and then you get the pros that are like Daniel Negreanu, Buying in for 1 Million...... im prety sure this show is a classic case of short stackers vs Deep stackers...... Deep stacking enables you to use all your weapons, for instance suited connectors, even suited cards with 1-2 spaces, your power cards, set minings......
now the way it works is, a short stacker raises, maybe even all in, if he gets 4 callers then you can still use your set mining cards, your suited connectors, and all that if less then 4 people call, you can only use strong hands.
Now for the clever part..... most short stakers are recreational / bad players / fish / donks whatever you wanna call them, they will come in with 20BB and limp in, call raises light etc etc, you can seriously make some good money from these if you play the right cards, you can raise there blinds and force them to put more in, and then raise any flop, see if they like there flop etc etc, and win lots of small blinds, remember because they are short stacked, they cant afford to re raise you unless they have something ^_-
Then of course you must watch out for the deep stackers who are doing the same as you, so then your having to play the players...
sounds like a table full of small stacks and deep stacks is a perfect form of poker, showing all elements to the game
Have you ever watched late night poker, you get people like the recreational poker players who BI for 100k, and then you get the pros that are like Daniel Negreanu, Buying in for 1 Million...... im prety sure this show is a classic case of short stackers vs Deep stackers...... Deep stacking enables you to use all your weapons, for instance suited connectors, even suited cards with 1-2 spaces, your power cards, set minings...... now the way it works is, a short stacker raises, maybe even all in, if he gets 4 callers then you can still use your set mining cards, your suited connectors, and all that if less then 4 people call, you can only use strong hands. Now for the clever part..... most short stakers are recreational / bad players / fish / donks whatever you wanna call them, they will come in with 20BB and limp in, call raises light etc etc, you can seriously make some good money from these if you play the right cards, you can raise there blinds and force them to put more in, and then raise any flop, see if they like there flop etc etc, and win lots of small blinds, remember because they are short stacked, they cant afford to re raise you unless they have something ^_- Then of course you must watch out for the deep stackers who are doing the same as you, so then your having to play the players... sounds like a table full of small stacks and deep stacks is a perfect form of poker, showing all elements to the game Posted by sillymunch
Isnt a big problem on Sky poker yet anyway, so doesnt make a huge difference yet. But I think it would be good to follow Pokerstars tables, 40-100bb standard and 20-50bb tables for shorstacks. I dont think people should not be allowed buy in short if they want but only that they should have their own tables, so they dont gain an advantage on deepstacks. But maybe Sky doesnt have enough players for that yet. For now I might give some shortstacking a go later:).....see how I do. Posted by Spad3s
Still it comes down to "because I can't beat short stackers, I want it changed"
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I'm sorry to point this out but the thread basically says this:
"I'm playing against people that make it hard for me to win money. I haven't developed a winning strategy for dealing with them so I want Sky Poker to deal with these people for me"
"I can't set mine with my 33 against people with 16BB!" - That's right, you can't. So deal with it. Do something different. The game is here for everybody and they are as entitled to play a 20BB buy-in as you are to play a 100BB buy-in.
Short stackers have no particular advantage. If they're beating you and taking your money it's because they're playing better than you. If you don't want these people at your table, get up and go to a different one.
The hand wasnt complaining that I cant set mine, it was demonstrating that its impossible to play correct against both short stacks and deep stacks at the same time. If everyone was short I would just fold my 33. I made correct play by calling against deep stack, but incorrect play on a shortstack table. If i was to fold I would be playing correct against shortstacks but incorrect against deep.
This is where the advantage is gained by playing short on a deepstack table. Other players will be playing a much wider range preflop.
Hasnt become a problem yet as most shortstackers are poor players, but Ive seen it become a big problem on other sites and maybe other regulars could change their tune then.
Ive been seeing players doing this lately. Leaving as soon as they go over 30 bb.
You can't complain about the way other players are playing, just because it ruins your strategy for exploiting other players at the table. They have adopted a strategy to exploit you which is good play on their part. They don't have an advantage over deeper players, they have advantages over players that don't know how to play against them.
But I think it would be good to follow Pokerstars tables, 40-100bb standard and 20-50bb tables for shorstacks. I dont think people should not be allowed buy in short if they want but only that they should have their own tables, so they dont gain an advantage on deepstacks. But maybe Sky doesnt have enough players for that yet.
For now I might give some shortstacking a go later:).....see how I do.
I think it's pretty clear they no not have any edge at all, as none of the big names on Sky or in the poker world shortstack.
I think it would be fair to say 90 percent of shortstackers are recreational and/or weekend players, who play for abit of fun. The other 10 percent, basically havn't grasped the concept of playing 100bb yet, and are shortstacking because they see this as a simple way of building their bankroll for the time being, against players who can't play against shortstackers, for whatever reason. Fair play to them.
granted not a big edge after rake, but including RB as they can play tonnes of tables because 20bb poker is incredibly simple compared to 100bb poker they can make decent money at it.
i believe one guy on another site got over 3mil vpp's in a year (there highest reward tier is for people to get />1mm) which is prob worth like $250k+
Not saying you a bad player, just saying that maybe you just need to understand what they are doing and play accordingly
I play deep and sometimes I play short stack, just depends on cash level -
It's an intresting debate............
What I will say is 20bb is just MTT poker, not even cash poker "_) sure is fun though
think 40bb is better, 20bb is just seriously odd
Still it comes down to "because I can't beat short stackers, I want it changed"