Hi Dev Best of luck on your challenge - avid reader of your thread even if I don't post much - you've obviously got the game to make it - it's now just about finding the most efficient/interesting way there. Just came to say thank you for the inspiration to multi-table more. I'm happy multi-tabling 3-4 mtts, which is my speciality, but never play more than 3 cash tables at a time, which I play to fill in the mtt variance, but at which I am not so confident. But reading your advice I decided to double up to 6 tables at a time. The average quality of my game has gone down, but when I get the big hands I can focus just as well as before, and they arrive twice as often! Only my 2nd night 6-tabling cash, but so far so good. Thank you. Posted by GELDY
hi GELDY, thanks m8, keep going with the multi-tabling hope you continue winning. yeah, it,s tricky isn,t it ,playing more tables is like a double edge sword in some ways... c4p improves considerably,but game quality suffers. i know 4 me 6 cash tables is my optimum number,any more than 6 i miss reads, situations,etc. whereas i know some players can play up to 24 tables and win. i think it is going 2b different amounts 4 each of us... keep experimenting,well that,s what i do anyway. best wishes, dev
Dev i still think the problem playing micro stakes, is the rake, if im not wrong its 15 to 20% so 1 win is mostly taken by the rake, so you need to win 7 or 8 out of 10 games to make a small profit. where as if you play £3.30 and above the rake is only 10% (i say only ) so u only need to win 6 out of 10 games to show a profit, these figures are approx, but what do u think ?
Dev i still think the problem playing micro stakes, is the rake, if im not wrong its 15 to 20% so 1 win is mostly taken by the rake, so you need to win 7 or 8 out of 10 games to make a small profit. where as if you play £3.30 and above the rake is only 10% (i say only ) so u only need to win 6 out of 10 games to show a profit, these figures are approx, but what do u think ? Gary Posted by Largearce
hi Gary, yes m8, u r right about the rake,it,s actually 20% 4 50p games, 15% 4 £1 games 12.5% 4 £2 games then 10% 4 £3 upwards. it does make more sense to play £3 upwards but only if u r winning. as i,m on a low at the mo,playing more games at the easier micro levels is the better option imo,as i am either making a small profit or coming out level..ish,and still incresing c4p just by the shear volume i,m able to put in. also,i am able to play with minimum risk,whereas @ £3+ a bad session could see a loss of possibly £20+. make any sense? dev
sticking with my new game plan... playing 60p & £1.15 games only, well did play 1x£2.25 actually,and won...hooooray. lol things must be changing lol happy with the W & 99 c4p,which takes me over 3000 which is a nice boost as this always takes you to the £42 mark. what is the saying..."little fish are sweet" so happy to eat them for the time being. lol laters, dev
In Response to Re: £40 to £1000 dev,s DYM...MISSION IMPOSSIBLE (b/roll atm £226.76) : hi Gary, yes m8, u r right about the rake,it,s actually 20% 4 50p games, 15% 4 £1 games 12.5% 4 £2 games then 10% 4 £3 upwards. it does make more sense to play £3 upwards but only if u r winning. as i,m on a low at the mo,playing more games at the easier micro levels is the better option imo,as i am either making a small profit or coming out level..ish,and still incresing c4p just by the shear volume i,m able to put in. also,i am able to play with minimum risk,whereas @ £3+ a bad session could see a loss of possibly £20+. make any sense? dev Posted by devonfish5
Dev in some ways i can see what your saying, but you seem to be playing with a glass half empty attitude, not believing you are going to win. Going in with this attitude to me is not a way to win, play with confidence, and play like u know your gonna win before the game starts, you seem to be playing with scared money, and that is in my opinion makes the game more difficult and influences dicisions you make.
Sorry if this seems a little negative
Gary
P.S you are still doing well and in profit, have more belief in your ability
In Response to Re: £40 to £1000 dev,s DYM...MISSION IMPOSSIBLE (b/roll atm £226.76) : Dev in some ways i can see what your saying, but you seem to be playing with a glass half empty attitude, not believing you are going to win. Going in with this attitude to me is not a way to win, play with confidence, and play like u know your gonna win before the game starts, you seem to be playing with scared money, and that is in my opinion makes the game more difficult and influences dicisions you make. Sorry if this seems a little negative Gary P.S you are still doing well and in profit, have more belief in your ability Posted by Largearce
hi Gary, agree with everything u say m8. i am playing with glass 1/2 empty attitude. i don,t feel as though i,m going 2 win. maybe i am playing with scared money too.
u just wouldn,t believe how many hands i,m losing though,when i am clearly going in well ahead. it,s just happening to many times atm. i know all about...we want players calling when behind & they are just being lucky but it is in my head that whatever card they need WILL come atm. i know that the better player WILL win in the long run, so i,m not overly concerned,as i,m sure things will change again. i have got plenty of self belief though.. if i didn,t have that i deffo wouldn,t have started this challenge.
isn,t it better 2 win a little than lose alot though? anyway, i,ll play it the way i see it,and take it day by day. it,s also Sunday today,so watch out the bingo players are about.
In Response to Re: £40 to £1000 dev,s DYM...MISSION IMPOSSIBLE (b/roll atm £226.76) : hi Gary, agree with everything u say m8. i am playing with glass 1/2 empty attitude. i don,t feel as though i,m going 2 win. maybe i am playing with scared money too. u just wouldn,t believe how many hands i,m losing though,when i am clearly going in well ahead. it,s just happening to many times atm. i know all about...we want players calling when behind & they are just being lucky but it is in my head that whatever card they need WILL come atm. i know that the better player WILL win in the long run, so i,m not overly concerned,as i,m sure things will change again. i have got plenty of self belief though.. if i didn,t have that i deffo wouldn,t have started this challenge. isn,t it better 2 win a little than lose alot though? anyway, i,ll play it the way i see it,and take it day by day. it,s also Sunday today,so watch out the bingo players are about. (* *) " ^ dev Posted by devonfish5
Hi Dev wasnt trying to be negative, but in my opinion on the lower stake tables u are going to get more dodgy calls and people dont fold as easy. So you can only play premium hands and hope they hold....to me this takes the bluff element out of the game, if your good enough ( and you have been making a steady profit so have proved you are) then you can play at higher money levels, and i think you would do better. in the long run, i have played at the level you play and find it more difficult than the higher levels for the reasons ive said (most) people cant find the fold button.
In Response to Re: £40 to £1000 dev,s DYM...MISSION IMPOSSIBLE (b/roll atm £226.76) : Hi Dev wasnt trying to be negative, but in my opinion on the lower stake tables u are going to get more dodgy calls and people dont fold as easy. So you can only play premium hands and hope they hold....to me this takes the bluff element out of the game, if your good enough ( and you have been making a steady profit so have proved you are) then you can play at higher money levels, and i think you would do better. in the long run, i have played at the level you play and find it more difficult than the higher levels for the reasons ive said (most) people cant find the fold button. Gary Posted by Largearce
thanks again Gary for your thoughts m8. yeah, i know u r right players at the lower levels do call with just about any 2 don,t they. anyway,as i,ve said today is bingo day, so i will see today out and re-assess things tomorrow. i don,t mind playing the higher levls tbh as i have done previously. but i also feel that having just over £200 atm doesn,t leave me with much room for error, so it,s all well and good say playing £3 & £5 games providing i don,t say have a 5 to 10 buy-in downswing. anyway ,c4p isn,t too far away again,so i,m sure when that arrives this may well give me the little boost i need to carry this mission forward once more. i,m still more than happy with the way it,s going atm. i am playing around 15 tables each session,so am happy with that. also,happy with my game,even though i,ve dropped down levels i,m sure it,s only temporary. this mission isn,t over... it,s just on hold atm. dev
Thanks for your reply - it´s always easier making a change when winning - so the fact my first two nights of x cash tables being winning sessions obviously helps.
Must say though, given your volume, that optimising your play to the rake % seems like a smart idea. i.e. 3.30 games much better than the cheaper ones. You mustn´t pre-empt how you might be running - just because you have had a downswing doesn´t mean you have to be on one tomorrow.
So my suggestion is to move up to 3 pound games - specifically because you are on a down swing. You will bleed less to Sky and make more when the inevitable bounce back arrives.
I know you were badly bitten by the 11 pound variance, but you are bankrolled for 3 pounds.
Hi Dev. Thanks for your reply - it´s always easier making a change when winning - so the fact my first two nights of x cash tables being winning sessions obviously helps. Must say though, given your volume, that optimising your play to the rake % seems like a smart idea. i.e. 3.30 games much better than the cheaper ones. You mustn´t pre-empt how you might be running - just because you have had a downswing doesn´t mean you have to be on one tomorrow. So my suggestion is to move up to 3 pound games - specifically because you are on a down swing. You will bleed less to Sky and make more when the inevitable bounce back arrives. I know you were badly bitten by the 11 pound variance, but you are bankrolled for 3 pounds. Posted by GELDY
I agree Geldy, he is rolled for £3.30 and with the rake being only 10%, and having watched Dev play he is clearly capable of playing that level.
On the other side playing a level your comfortable at is sensible, and not knowing Devs whole financial situation makes the decision his and his alone as to what level he plays at.
Hi Dev. Thanks for your reply - it´s always easier making a change when winning - so the fact my first two nights of x cash tables being winning sessions obviously helps. Must say though, given your volume, that optimising your play to the rake % seems like a smart idea. i.e. 3.30 games much better than the cheaper ones. You mustn´t pre-empt how you might be running - just because you have had a downswing doesn´t mean you have to be on one tomorrow. So my suggestion is to move up to 3 pound games - specifically because you are on a down swing. You will bleed less to Sky and make more when the inevitable bounce back arrives. I know you were badly bitten by the 11 pound variance, but you are bankrolled for 3 pounds. Posted by GELDY
hi Geldy, not sure i,d call £200 rolled 4 £3 but i agree that 10% rake is preferable. 4 me anyway i,d need 200 buy-ins 2b anywhere near comfortable. think my plan atm is all about winning small rather than winning or LOSING big. it might not be the most attractive or optimal way of playing,but think u will have 2 agree,it,s working.... so why change it? anyway, COME ON ENGLAND dev
In Response to Re: £40 to £1000 dev,s DYM...MISSION IMPOSSIBLE (b/roll atm £234.56) : I agree Geldy, he is rolled for £3.30 and with the rake being only 10%, and having watched Dev play he is clearly capable of playing that level. On the other side playing a level your comfortable at is sensible, and not knowing Devs whole financial situation makes the decision his and his alone as to what level he plays at. Gary Posted by Largearce
hi Gary, thanks m8. yeah,it,s not a problem playing the £3 level.and i will move back up again,when i feel the time is right. as i said in my first post ,there is no time limit with this mission,so i,m not rushing and making any more big,costly errors. i,ve done it once,aint going to happen again. patience is a virtue. dev
DAY 54 won £6.20 b/roll £240.76 (+£200.05) c4p 58 total 3073 = £43.02 to come playing 60p & £1 games again, not to everyones liking,but i,m winning,so that,s all that matters 2me. dev Posted by devonfish5
Dev your right in doing it your way, if you feel i was being critical then im sorry.
Br management is something i could do with a lesson in, as i know i play levels my roll cant really handle.
In Response to Re: £40 to £1000 dev,s DYM...MISSION IMPOSSIBLE (b/roll atm £234.56) : Dev your right in doing it your way, if you feel i was being critical then im sorry. Br management is something i could do with a lesson in, as i know i play levels my roll cant really handle. Keep up the good work Gary Posted by Largearce
hi Gary, thanks again . no worries m8, all comments are very welcome and i apprecite everyones points of view. just because i,ve changed my plans and dropped down levels doesn,t make me right. just feel i needed to steady the ship and keep things on an even keel atm. i,m sure i,ll be back playing £2 games again shortly. gl with your large vegas m8. dev
best of luck, hope you end the month on a heater sir Are you still going for the £1,000? Posted by patwalshh
hi Pat, thanks too m8. yes,my plan may have changed but my goal is still to try and reach £1000. just could take a little longer,that,s all. just waiting 4 c4p then will decide on my nxt move. best wishes, dev
played £2 £3 & £5 games ran bad,played bad. perphaps i will now simply go with my gut feelings in future. my only consolation is i have accumulated another 100+ c4p which will help. as i am playing with money won rather than money i have had to earn from work,i can live with todays dissapointment. i always new this mission would have it,s ups & downs and today is simply a down. winners never quit & quitters never win,so which 1 am i? let,s find out. dev
DAY 56 lost £33.65 b/roll £206.61 (+£165.90) c4p 107 total 3266 = £45.72 to come played £2 £3 & £5 games ran bad,played bad. perphaps i will now simply go with my gut feelings in future. my only consolation is i have accumulated another 100+ c4p which will help. as i am playing with money won rather than money i have had to earn from work,i can live with todays dissapointment. i always new this mission would have it,s ups & downs and today is simply a down. winners never quit & quitters never win,so which 1 am i? let,s find out. dev Posted by devonfish5
Told you to stick yo the lower levels mate.........:)
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thanks m8,
keep going with the multi-tabling
hope you continue winning.
yeah, it,s tricky isn,t it ,playing more tables is like a double edge sword in some ways...
c4p improves considerably,but game quality suffers.
i know 4 me 6 cash tables is my optimum number,any more than 6 i miss reads, situations,etc.
whereas i know some players can play up to 24 tables and win.
i think it is going 2b different amounts 4 each of us...
keep experimenting,well that,s what i do anyway.
best wishes,
dev
yes m8, u r right about the rake,it,s actually 20% 4 50p games, 15% 4 £1 games 12.5% 4 £2 games then 10% 4 £3 upwards.
it does make more sense to play £3 upwards but only if u r winning.
as i,m on a low at the mo,playing more games at the easier micro levels is the better option imo,as i am either making a small profit or coming out level..ish,and still incresing c4p just by the shear volume i,m able to put in.
also,i am able to play with minimum risk,whereas @ £3+ a bad session could see a loss of possibly £20+.
make any sense?
dev
won £7.80 (7 buy-ins @ £1 level)
b/roll £234.56 (+£193.85)
c4p 99
total 3015 = £42.21 to come
sticking with my new game plan...
playing 60p & £1.15 games only,
well did play 1x£2.25 actually,and won...hooooray. lol
things must be changing lol
happy with the W & 99 c4p,which takes me over 3000 which is a nice boost as this always takes you to the £42 mark.
what is the saying..."little fish are sweet" so happy to eat them for the time being. lol
laters,
dev
agree with everything u say m8.
i am playing with glass 1/2 empty attitude.
i don,t feel as though i,m going 2 win.
maybe i am playing with scared money too.
u just wouldn,t believe how many hands i,m losing though,when i am clearly going in well ahead.
it,s just happening to many times atm.
i know all about...we want players calling when behind & they are just being lucky but it is in my head that whatever card they need WILL come atm.
i know that the better player WILL win in the long run, so i,m not overly concerned,as i,m sure things will change again.
i have got plenty of self belief though..
if i didn,t have that i deffo wouldn,t have started this challenge.
isn,t it better 2 win a little than lose alot though?
anyway,
i,ll play it the way i see it,and take it day by day.
it,s also Sunday today,so watch out the bingo players are about.
(* *)
"
^
dev
yeah, i know u r right players at the lower levels do call with just about any 2 don,t they.
anyway,as i,ve said today is bingo day, so i will see today out and re-assess things tomorrow.
i don,t mind playing the higher levls tbh as i have done previously.
but i also feel that having just over £200 atm doesn,t leave me with much room for error,
so it,s all well and good say playing £3 & £5 games providing i don,t say have a 5 to 10 buy-in downswing.
anyway ,c4p isn,t too far away again,so i,m sure when that arrives this may well give me the little boost i need to carry this mission forward once more.
i,m still more than happy with the way it,s going atm.
i am playing around 15 tables each session,so am happy with that.
also,happy with my game,even though i,ve dropped down levels i,m sure it,s only temporary.
this mission isn,t over...
it,s just on hold atm.
dev
Thanks for your reply - it´s always easier making a change when winning - so the fact my first two nights of x cash tables being winning sessions obviously helps.
Must say though, given your volume, that optimising your play to the rake % seems like a smart idea. i.e. 3.30 games much better than the cheaper ones. You mustn´t pre-empt how you might be running - just because you have had a downswing doesn´t mean you have to be on one tomorrow.
So my suggestion is to move up to 3 pound games - specifically because you are on a down swing. You will bleed less to Sky and make more when the inevitable bounce back arrives.
I know you were badly bitten by the 11 pound variance, but you are bankrolled for 3 pounds.
not sure i,d call £200 rolled 4 £3 but i agree that 10% rake is preferable.
4 me anyway i,d need 200 buy-ins 2b anywhere near comfortable.
think my plan atm is all about winning small rather than winning or LOSING big.
it might not be the most attractive or optimal way of playing,but think u will have 2 agree,it,s working....
so why change it?
anyway,
COME ON ENGLAND
dev
thanks m8.
yeah,it,s not a problem playing the £3 level.and i will move back up again,when i feel the time is right.
as i said in my first post ,there is no time limit with this mission,so i,m not rushing and making any more big,costly errors.
i,ve done it once,aint going to happen again.
patience is a virtue.
dev
won £6.20
b/roll £240.76 (+£200.05)
c4p 58
total 3073 = £43.02 to come
playing 60p & £1 games again,
not to everyones liking,but i,m winning,so that,s all that matters 2me.
dev
DAY 55
lost £0.50
b/roll £240.26 (+£199.59)
c4p 86
total 3159 = £44.23 to come.
nothing very exciting,
just another night .
dev
thanks again .
no worries m8,
all comments are very welcome and i apprecite everyones points of view.
just because i,ve changed my plans and dropped down levels doesn,t make me right.
just feel i needed to steady the ship and keep things on an even keel atm.
i,m sure i,ll be back playing £2 games again shortly.
gl with your large vegas m8.
dev
thanks too m8.
yes,my plan may have changed but my goal is still to try and reach £1000.
just could take a little longer,that,s all.
just waiting 4 c4p then will decide on my nxt move.
best wishes,
dev
lost £33.65
b/roll £206.61 (+£165.90)
c4p 107
total 3266 = £45.72 to come
played £2 £3 & £5 games
ran bad,played bad.
perphaps i will now simply go with my gut feelings in future.
my only consolation is i have accumulated another 100+ c4p which will help.
as i am playing with money won rather than money i have had to earn from work,i can live with todays dissapointment.
i always new this mission would have it,s ups & downs and today is simply a down.
winners never quit & quitters never win,so which 1 am i?
let,s find out.
dev