In Response to Re: KK issues. What is it with KK on-line. Never wins : Am i a pro? No. Do I know more than everyone? No. Do I know more than you? Thats possible based on your posts, but thats fine if you don't want to listen to it. Most rigged theorists don't want to. My comment about the game not being for you was not meant rudely. Merely that if you think a games not right or not fair etc, why would you be playing it? As for how I know. Yes I may play here, but I also play other places, and on other sites I can use pokertracker (go google it), which means I can keep a database of ALL the hands i've every played and look at if they are matching up with the the statistics they should do over a large volume. I can see if I'm dealt hands as often as I should, if they won as often as expected. What the flops were, and if flush draws were making it as often as they should or more so.. How often my PP's are making sets... and so on. Basically I can check anything I want. So my point is my comments are based on 5-6 years of online play and a whole history of hands. So thats my reasoning being my posts, and from what I can see your basing assumptions on a few hands you remember, right? And no offense by we just can't remember enough for that to work. Only hands poker players remember long term is generally the badbeats. Posted by KAM99
Yeah i respect you been playing years and you know more then me but im here to learn, i thought that was the whole point of forums? and i never based it on one hand iv played on other sites and i dont see low percentage things happening as much as it does on here. Obv it doesnt happen every single time all im sayin is more often then it should, not wiith any particular hands just in general with short stacks against big stacks all in b4 the flop. I jsut dont understand how people talk like there there no for sure, theres sites that have been banned in the past because they wasnt standard, so never people should never act like they are positive in my view,
^ if you are here to learn then you need to stop pedalling/believing nonsense. If you believe that noone can prove the math of poker and that certain things always happen online against the odds then you'll never improve. How can you get better if you just think 'oh KK will get cracked cause it never wins' - this can actually lead some people to throw away premium hands out of some sort of superstition. I've had quads roughly 10 times in the last 4 days*. That's probably a skewed statistic based on freak chance, it definitely doesn't mean that quads happen more often on skypoker.
*more than half of these were where i've folded pre with pairs after a big raise/other random things such as K7 off and flopped KKK.
In Response to Re: KK issues. What is it with KK on-line. Never wins : Yeah i respect you been playing years and you know more then me but im here to learn, i thought that was the whole point of forums? and i never based it on one hand iv played on other sites and i dont see low percentage things happening as much as it does on here. Obv it doesnt happen every single time all im sayin is more often then it should, not wiith any particular hands just in general with short stacks against big stacks all in b4 the flop. I jsut dont understand how people talk like there there no for sure, theres sites that have been banned in the past because they wasnt standard, so never people should never act like they are positive in my view, Posted by robbie1992
Honestly I've not played this site long enough, nor do I have the ability to access hands as well on here with no software to crunch the numbers on big enough volume of hands. That said it would make no sense to rig the software to have short stacks lose more often, so would be pointless to do. Often rigged theory is that it would end tournaments faster so people play more of them, but the fact is if you look at how long tournaments last they will be fairly uniform due to the fact the blind structure controls how long they normally last.
Also, in lot of cases with short stack vs big stack the races can be close ones, or not that big of a difference in equity. IE you may have AJ+ vs 55 or similar for around 50-50 flip. Or KQ vs 89 for 60-40 race, or even in a dominated situation of AKos vs A5os you are only looking at 70-30 race, which means you are going to see the favourite win or lose often enough. I know the lowest I've come back from to win a fairly small field MTT (280 players) was 65 chips where i won five shoves in a row to get back to a chip stack i could play with.
We often do remember patterns that aren't there when remembering over short volumes of hands, which is all the human brain in a normal person is able to do. We may think we see patterns, but we aren't seeing enough hands to make a real basis for this as actual fact. However, if you aren't satisfied with the RNG here, then can always play elsewhere, but think every poker site I've played on has had a forum full of "its rigged" posts.
If Sky wants to fix it and deal me KK every hand for a year I'll happily test the theory for you all, I'll even up my buy in's and play the Vegas Final and all high rollers - that's how dedicated I am to you all.
Let me know Sky - I'm happy to be that massive underdog.
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*more than half of these were where i've folded pre with pairs after a big raise/other random things such as K7 off and flopped KKK.
Also, in lot of cases with short stack vs big stack the races can be close ones, or not that big of a difference in equity. IE you may have AJ+ vs 55 or similar for around 50-50 flip. Or KQ vs 89 for 60-40 race, or even in a dominated situation of AKos vs A5os you are only looking at 70-30 race, which means you are going to see the favourite win or lose often enough. I know the lowest I've come back from to win a fairly small field MTT (280 players) was 65 chips where i won five shoves in a row to get back to a chip stack i could play with.
We often do remember patterns that aren't there when remembering over short volumes of hands, which is all the human brain in a normal person is able to do. We may think we see patterns, but we aren't seeing enough hands to make a real basis for this as actual fact. However, if you aren't satisfied with the RNG here, then can always play elsewhere, but think every poker site I've played on has had a forum full of "its rigged" posts.
Let me know Sky - I'm happy to be that massive underdog.