Tintin i know we discussed internet connection the other day and im not sure as to the spec of your comp, i suspect however you need to confirm how much ur internet can take
My pc is built for gaming, will play all the newest games at just shy of the top specs, yet i cant even 7 table without LAG.
I might be wrong but if im right forking out 000s on a new pc seems pointless when the internet connection wont run em.
Tintin i know we discussed internet connection the other day and im not sure as to the spec of your comp, i suspect however you need to confirm how much ur internet can take My pc is built for gaming, will play all the newest games at just shy of the top specs, yet i cant even 7 table without LAG. I might be wrong but if im right forking out 000s on a new pc seems pointless when the internet connection wont run em. Posted by The_Don90
i understand what your trying to say mate.
simple fact is my computer is badly in need of an upgrade, its 5 year old now and it was a cheap unit bought from the high street, cant remember the spec on it but it wasnt great at the time. ive already had to replace the power pack n the cd drive is now goosed so a new pc is going high on the priority list. if im buying a new one i may as well pay a little extra that has the capabilities that i would like it to do.
yes the internet convo we had does mean that might limit what i can acheive, i do suffer some lag issues at the momoment but i cant put it all down to internet speed as my computer will struggle to do the basic of things offline at times.
im not out for anything fancy, just something thats gonna have those capabilties should the internet play game with me
In Response to Re: PC spec for multitabling : i understand what your trying to say mate. simple fact is my computer is badly in need of an upgrade, its 5 year old now and it was a cheap unit bought from the high street, cant remember the spec on it but it wasnt great at the time. ive already had to replace the power pack n the cd drive is now goosed so a new pc is going high on the priority list. if im buying a new one i may as well pay a little extra that has the capabilities that i would like it to do. yes the internet convo we had does mean that might limit what i can acheive, i do suffer some lag issues at the momoment but i cant put it all down to internet speed as my computer will struggle to do the basic of things offline at times. im not out for anything fancy, just something thats gonna have those capabilties should the internet play game with me Posted by TINTIN
fair responce mate. My pc is 5 year old but was hand built so got better for cheaper. I do need upgrading now but its been topped up from time to time when ive been able to pick up better parts in an exchange deal with people. Usually means on person i know is upgrading and they have a mate whos also upgrading, my item is better than one, but the other persons is better than mine, i take the better one give my medium one to the other person etc. The person with the lowest spec pays for everyone to upgrade.
In theory, running poker tables shouldn't use much power, or much bandwidth (ie internet link)
Regretably, the Sky tables do seem to have problems.
My best guess is that The Don is right, and CPU power is not the constraint, and the internet link is.
In which case you don't need i7 or gaming configurations (ie i5 should be way good enough) but do choose something with a lot of RAM.
Amazon prices are pretty competitive, and if something goes wrong they are good with their repair or replace service.
I run a super-douper i7 gaming laptop, with a superspeed internet connection, and still I get lags playing 3/4 tables! So don't waste money on getting top-end equipment thinking it will help - it won't.
Hi TINTIN, In theory, running poker tables shouldn't use much power, or much bandwidth (ie internet link) Regretably, the Sky tables do seem to have problems. My best guess is that The Don is right, and CPU power is not the constraint, and the internet link is. In which case you don't need i7 or gaming configurations (ie i5 should be way good enough) but do choose something with a lot of RAM. Amazon prices are pretty competitive, and if something goes wrong they are good with their repair or replace service. I run a super-douper i7 gaming laptop, with a superspeed internet connection, and still I get lags playing 3/4 tables! So don't waste money on getting top-end equipment thinking it will help - it won't. Posted by GELDY
There's something VERY wrong with your setup then!
I am with Sky ) But because connection to the local exchange is rubbish I receive the slowest download/uploads speeds. I can still run 12 tables if your having problems running more tables than it's more likely the CPU and/or memory need upgrading my laptop for example only runs 3 tables overall the more tables you run then more memory would be the best choice Posted by rancid
In Response to Re: PC spec for multitabling : what meg do you get ? Posted by The_Don90
I am on ADSL, the meg they say you get is totoaly dependant upon the speed of your phone line
the further away you live from the telephone exchange the worse your download/uploads speeds, depends what kind of telephone wire you have and how old the exhanges hubs are etc.......
where I used to live I could download a film in 10 minutes, now 7 hours.
same proposed 10 meg service blah blah
to get your actual download/upload speeds you can check that online using speed tests
In Response to Re: PC spec for multitabling : I am on ADSL, the meg they say you get is totoaly dependant upon the speed of your phone line the further away you live from the telephone exchange the worse your download/uploads speeds, depends what kind of telephone wire you have and how old the exhanges hubs are etc....... where I used to live I could download a film in 10 minutes, now 7 hours. same proposed 10 meg service blah blah to get your actual download/upload speeds you can check that online using speed tests Posted by rancid
yes i know all that, lol. i was meaning how much do you get at present.
At the moment im meant to get UPTO 8meg but max i can hit is 6.9meg, dropping to as low as 0.5meg during prime time.
Hi TINTIN, In theory, running poker tables shouldn't use much power, or much bandwidth (ie internet link) Regretably, the Sky tables do seem to have problems. My best guess is that The Don is right, and CPU power is not the constraint, and the internet link is. In which case you don't need i7 or gaming configurations (ie i5 should be way good enough) but do choose something with a lot of RAM. Amazon prices are pretty competitive, and if something goes wrong they are good with their repair or replace service. I run a super-douper i7 gaming laptop, with a superspeed internet connection, and still I get lags playing 3/4 tables! So don't waste money on getting top-end equipment thinking it will help - it won't. Posted by GELDY
cheers for the input,
im not planning on spending a lot of money on a super set up when i dont need it. as im badly needing an upgrade on current pc but i do want a little extra from it.
where i stay i currently receive a steady 5-6 meg internet, nothing super and can run 6 tables quite comfortably with minor issues from time to time.
my current pc setup is a heap of junk tbh. i bought t for £300 5 year ago. 15inch monitor 1gb of ram at best, not sure of processor but can gaurantee its pretty poor for the price i paid at the time so anything new will be quite a step up.
this was the reason i started this thread. i didnt have much clue as to what would be best for me, im not one for wasting money on something thats really gonna be out of my needs. i would be spending money on a new system anyway but if i can bolt on a few little extras that mean my pc wouldnt be the issue when it comes to multitabling more then im more than happy paying a little extra
In Response to Re: PC spec for multitabling : yes i know all that, lol. i was meaning how much do you get at present. At the moment im meant to get UPTO 8meg but max i can hit is 6.9meg, dropping to as low as 0.5meg during prime time. Posted by The_Don90
ok sorry didn't mean to sound patronsiing !
I'll check it later as I am not at home, think it was 2mbps maybe lower
Comments on here about issues with lag where you have a semi-decent machine I'd say those are almost always caused by latency issues rather than download / upload speeds.
I would guess that a 1Mb/s connection would easily handle many many tables as I did some analysis and the amount of data sent is minimal.
However the ping speed, i.e. how long it takes for a message to be sent from your computer to a destination and back again is the problem.
I just ran a test at http://www.speedtest.net/ and my ping speed is 16ms. As you add more applications using network bandwidth, bittorrent, emule, youtube etc then that is going to make the ping speed deteriorate.
Also running wireless will always give you worse ping times.
I generally see issues when people have ping in the 90ms+ range.
So my advice to anyone with issues is run a ping test and see what you are getting.
You can see it getting worse by opening youtube videos and rerunning the ping test.
I opened 3 videos and the ping dropped to 23ms, 8 videos it dropped to 33ms.
I tried the download client on my new PC (see Page#1) and it runs 20 tables with ease. CPU util is around 8% and physical memory usage is about 50%, so clearly plenty of scope to run even more tables. My old P4 2.8Ghz/2Gb RAM couldn't do too many.
I have set my broadband to run at 10Mbps (for the best speed/reliability) but I can increase it to about 13Mbps. It never drops below 10Mbps. My LAN is wired 100Mbps (essential IMO, wireless too flakey).
So a cheap fairly high-spec PC like mine, with a good broadband connection (and importantly) fast reliable LAN, will allow you to multi-table easily.
Aaron the issue i have is weird i can run 20 tables no worries but if i sit on the tables i can only run 8 tops. Weird issue i know. The type of lag usually defines Auto blinds not posting, UTG open folding i cant see cards, UTG+1 i get half my time bar.
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My pc is built for gaming, will play all the newest games at just shy of the top specs, yet i cant even 7 table without LAG.
I might be wrong but if im right forking out 000s on a new pc seems pointless when the internet connection wont run em.
simple fact is my computer is badly in need of an upgrade, its 5 year old now and it was a cheap unit bought from the high street, cant remember the spec on it but it wasnt great at the time. ive already had to replace the power pack n the cd drive is now goosed so a new pc is going high on the priority list. if im buying a new one i may as well pay a little extra that has the capabilities that i would like it to do.
yes the internet convo we had does mean that might limit what i can acheive, i do suffer some lag issues at the momoment but i cant put it all down to internet speed as my computer will struggle to do the basic of things offline at times.
im not out for anything fancy, just something thats gonna have those capabilties should the internet play game with me
Sounds like however u do need a new unit.
I am with Sky ) But because connection to the local exchange is rubbish I receive the slowest download/uploads speeds.
I can still run 12 tables
if your having problems running more tables than it's more likely the CPU and/or memory need upgrading
my laptop for example only runs 3 tables
overall the more tables you run then more memory would be the best choice
the further away you live from the telephone exchange the worse your download/uploads speeds, depends what kind of telephone wire you have and how old the exhanges hubs are etc.......
where I used to live I could download a film in 10 minutes, now 7 hours.
same proposed 10 meg service blah blah
to get your actual download/upload speeds you can check that online using speed tests
Well..... that's what I did anyway
At the moment im meant to get UPTO 8meg but max i can hit is 6.9meg, dropping to as low as 0.5meg during prime time.
im not planning on spending a lot of money on a super set up when i dont need it. as im badly needing an upgrade on current pc but i do want a little extra from it.
where i stay i currently receive a steady 5-6 meg internet, nothing super and can run 6 tables quite comfortably with minor issues from time to time.
my current pc setup is a heap of junk tbh. i bought t for £300 5 year ago. 15inch monitor 1gb of ram at best, not sure of processor but can gaurantee its pretty poor for the price i paid at the time so anything new will be quite a step up.
this was the reason i started this thread. i didnt have much clue as to what would be best for me, im not one for wasting money on something thats really gonna be out of my needs. i would be spending money on a new system anyway but if i can bolt on a few little extras that mean my pc wouldnt be the issue when it comes to multitabling more then im more than happy paying a little extra
I'll check it later as I am not at home, think it was 2mbps maybe lower
I would guess that a 1Mb/s connection would easily handle many many tables as I did some analysis and the amount of data sent is minimal.
However the ping speed, i.e. how long it takes for a message to be sent from your computer to a destination and back again is the problem.
I just ran a test at http://www.speedtest.net/ and my ping speed is 16ms. As you add more applications using network bandwidth, bittorrent, emule, youtube etc then that is going to make the ping speed deteriorate.
Also running wireless will always give you worse ping times.
I generally see issues when people have ping in the 90ms+ range.
So my advice to anyone with issues is run a ping test and see what you are getting.
You can see it getting worse by opening youtube videos and rerunning the ping test.
I opened 3 videos and the ping dropped to 23ms, 8 videos it dropped to 33ms.
I have set my broadband to run at 10Mbps (for the best speed/reliability) but I can increase it to about 13Mbps. It never drops below 10Mbps.
My LAN is wired 100Mbps (essential IMO, wireless too flakey).
So a cheap fairly high-spec PC like mine, with a good broadband connection (and importantly) fast reliable LAN, will allow you to multi-table easily.
Probably the CPU and lack of dedicated graphics chip is causing the slow laptop.