Earlier you showed a hand i was involved with on Master Cash 2, i had Qd Jd & was up against 77, can i just say i have played 1000's of hands against stribs & was just unlucky it paired on river that's just the way it goes, at least it didn't cost me my stack tho according to Carlo i should have got me cash in post flop or the turn when i hit the flush where i probally should have re-raised. Pre Flop Carlo says i shouldn't have been in the hand at all very confusing. Maybe i should of raised pre, sometimes i do. On the whole i'm happy with my play over last 3 Months (mainly thanks to my Mentors) as the Cash Tables have paid for Blackpool SPT Weekend Away, can't wait
we all have our own way of playing & are learning all the time it's what makes poker enjoyable , as for my play i mix it up all the time depending on who is on my table as i pretty much know who the regs. are on nl10 & nl20 & have a lot of history with the majority of them.
Since you're begging for hands, how about this one from last Wednesday's mini-doublestack:
Hand History #520284929 (20:23 16/05/2012)
I checked my option with the Ace-Ten after multiple limpers. I didn't want to bloat the pot out of position with a marginal hand and I'd expect to be called by multiple opponents if I raised anyway.
After the flop, I didn't want to build a big pot, so took a check-call line all the way to the river. I felt that if I raised at any time I would only be able to build a big pot if I was beat and I would make people with worse hands fold. There was alot of discussion on the Poker Clinic, but nothing to convince me that I was wrong.
If you don't get around to showing this, I'll post it on the thread for the Clinic show on Thursday. Cheers.
If I was president of Poker, I would dedicate a Poker channel to Rich Orford & Carlo Citrone. 'The RICH....... & Carlo Show'. A certain ratings hit!!!!
Sorry to once again bring up a previous hand. Im wanting to discuss the KThh hand v the JJ and Q9. Prsonally watching this and listening to Carlo i felt i disagreed with Carlo on a number of points, now imight be wrong so id like to discuss.
Preflop with 1 UTG limper and a min raise from the next guy in level 2. We have KThh, in my opinion the min raise means very little, i see min raises all the time in tournaments in the early stages. I actually normally 3bet them when im interested in playing a hand, normally meets a fold. However i think peeling with KTs in posision isnt too bad. Obviously we're now pricing the BB and the UTG limper in (UTG is never folding to a min raise anyways) therefore surley increasing our odds for being in the hand, and possibly increasing our implied odds. Ok i will say im not a fan of multiway pots hense why i usually 3bet. KTs from the CO is definetly a possible 3bet imo. Whats Carlos opinion on that.
On flop as played. We've seen a donk overbet shove on a flop thats pretty good for our hand, we have 2 overs to the board with a King high flush draw. BB donk shoves UTG folds and raiser flats. Why is it bad calling hear. BB can easily have a 9 or a worse flush draw, maybe even one of the lower pairs. The other guy flatting can be similar hes only min raised preflop and only TT+/Ah/Xh/board paired that have a T or K kicker have us crushed. Surley we cant kill their ranges to that. On the flop unless we turn our flush we have the most equity in the hand, so why is it incorrect to shove here. Ok i think we';re lacking some FE but calling risks too much of our stack if we miss the turn.
Maybe im missing something but would like to discuss.
Very early hand in wsop and Carlo on big blind with AA
UTG limps 100 and there are 8 other limpers, Carlo now makes it 1125 which is 225 + 900 extra for the limpers with everyone at table still almost on their starting stacks.
UTG now pushes all in and there are 4 callers. Does he now call all in ?
I think Carlo is right about the Aces! but if I ever make an SPT and find myself on his table I'll be shoving on the first hand now I know he'll be folding!
i consider myself a learning new player and would estimate i would be in the bottom third of ability in the world series field..
so if the scenario met me i would take the gamble as i do not feel i would have the skill edge. However if i was carlo i would snap fold as he has a skill edge over the field by quite a bit
Re: The old Aces in the first hand of the WSOP debate:
For the average person entering the main event, it's a call IMO. You're flipping for a quadruple up, effectively. Is a weaker player going to get a better spot than this?
If Daniel Negreanu is in the same spot, it's a fold, because his edge over the field would be much bigger, so he'll be more able to find better spots to pick up them chips without as much risk.
In reply to Carlo wanting to know why i think its an easy call.
Firstly i dont really care about money, i play poker for enjoyment. Enjoyment for me is winning. Now if i win 120k on the first hand, i can control the table almost straight from the off. If i go out i can still say i played the main event. Plus everyone knows i love a bad beat story.
In questions to it, ill ask Carlo, If he could sit on a cash table with 400BB when everyone is sitting with 100BB hes at a massive advantage isnt it? Thats the same for the times when you win this.
Now of coarse if i win which i will slightly over 50% of the time so yes its a coin flip i maybe dont have to take, but it changed the full pospect of the tournament for you.
How would you feel if you folded and the flop came AAx thats going to play on your mind for the rest of the night isnt it?
Playing for the win means playing from the win from the first hand to the last. Even in an extremely deep structure we have to play for the win from hand number one. And even if it means taking aces 4 way preflop im happy to do that.
Same question slightly changed to carlo. You have 9T and the flop comes 678 but theres 2 diamonds you dnt have any diamonds and 3 people shove does he fold? In the exact same situation 1 hand of WSOP.
Edit: re to above (evil pingu) surley 10k is nothing to Negranu so surley hed call. guess only hed know.
For clarification WSOP Main Event 1st hand family pot up to big blind which is Carlo with Aces what proportion of his stack would he bet? or would he wimp and call?
Enjoying the show as ever. Must give a mention to Carlos prog where he was analysing Anna's hands(no not nail polish!!). It still brings a smile to my face and the rewind button got some serious stick. Even TommyD was flummoxed playing hands against her. Here's a groan though...get ready...
Will Carlo be getting a 'Citroen E' car?....cue corny music!!!
I agree with Carlo's sentiment....when i played my first live tournament in Liverpool less than a year soon after joing sky, i was surprised at thecurt behaviour. I'm not sure if i did wrong but i stood up and shook hands with them if i'd knocked them out.....Actually, by luck, i went on to win it but some people were just so surly. What happened to enjoying the moment? cheers Steve aka profman15
This Aces calling all in situation in first hand of wsop is intriguing to say the least so i am just trying to find a scenario where Carlo would make the call and i think i have came up with it.
Carlo is on the big blind with aces and there are 3 all ins infront of him but the only difference is now that he is on the TV table and knows the entire poker world including alot of very fit women will see him fold Aces pre flop, does he now call ?
Same scenario again but this time Carlo is wearing a little bo peep outfit courtesy of Sam Razavi and still with the entire poker world watching including all of those very fit women and also knowing if he loses he can now get away from those cameras does he now call ?
aspers closing in swansea!! is there a separate thread for this please?? Posted by bigflop1
is there?? u mentioned what i said but no answer!! i know its closing as its my local club. i am a bit gutted, but there are other casinos in swansea i can play poker in.. im concerned about friends who will be losing their jobs..
was just wandering what others are saying about this.. link to thread if there is one would be great!!
Who cares about the maths and this Braveheart action.....The experience will be lost but some will have a bad beat story for life...which some in the forum seem to love!!!
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Hi Rich & Carlo,
Earlier you showed a hand i was involved with on Master Cash 2, i had Qd Jd & was up against 77, can i just say i have played 1000's of hands against stribs & was just unlucky it paired on river that's just the way it goes, at least it didn't cost me my stack tho according to Carlo i should have got me cash in post flop or the turn when i hit the flush where i probally should have re-raised. Pre Flop Carlo says i shouldn't have been in the hand at all very confusing. Maybe i should of raised pre, sometimes i do. On the whole i'm happy with my play over last 3 Months (mainly thanks to my Mentors) as the Cash Tables have paid for Blackpool SPT Weekend Away, can't wait
we all have our own way of playing & are learning all the time it's what makes poker enjoyable , as for my play i mix it up all the time depending on who is on my table as i pretty much know who the regs. are on nl10 & nl20 & have a lot of history with the majority of them.
Michael
Hand History #520284929 (20:23 16/05/2012)
I checked my option with the Ace-Ten after multiple limpers. I didn't want to bloat the pot out of position with a marginal hand and I'd expect to be called by multiple opponents if I raised anyway.
After the flop, I didn't want to build a big pot, so took a check-call line all the way to the river. I felt that if I raised at any time I would only be able to build a big pot if I was beat and I would make people with worse hands fold. There was alot of discussion on the Poker Clinic, but nothing to convince me that I was wrong.
If you don't get around to showing this, I'll post it on the thread for the Clinic show on Thursday. Cheers.
Great show guys as always!!
Sorry to once again bring up a previous hand. Im wanting to discuss the KThh hand v the JJ and Q9. Prsonally watching this and listening to Carlo i felt i disagreed with Carlo on a number of points, now imight be wrong so id like to discuss.
Preflop with 1 UTG limper and a min raise from the next guy in level 2. We have KThh, in my opinion the min raise means very little, i see min raises all the time in tournaments in the early stages. I actually normally 3bet them when im interested in playing a hand, normally meets a fold. However i think peeling with KTs in posision isnt too bad. Obviously we're now pricing the BB and the UTG limper in (UTG is never folding to a min raise anyways) therefore surley increasing our odds for being in the hand, and possibly increasing our implied odds. Ok i will say im not a fan of multiway pots hense why i usually 3bet. KTs from the CO is definetly a possible 3bet imo. Whats Carlos opinion on that.
On flop as played. We've seen a donk overbet shove on a flop thats pretty good for our hand, we have 2 overs to the board with a King high flush draw. BB donk shoves UTG folds and raiser flats. Why is it bad calling hear. BB can easily have a 9 or a worse flush draw, maybe even one of the lower pairs. The other guy flatting can be similar hes only min raised preflop and only TT+/Ah/Xh/board paired that have a T or K kicker have us crushed. Surley we cant kill their ranges to that. On the flop unless we turn our flush we have the most equity in the hand, so why is it incorrect to shove here. Ok i think we';re lacking some FE but calling risks too much of our stack if we miss the turn.
Maybe im missing something but would like to discuss.
Ive just done maths
If the 3 players have JJ v QQ v KK against our aces we're 55%
Against 3 random hands we're 54% (i made sure at least 2 of these where suited)
So if we call over 50% of the time we have 120K after one hand. The other 45-46% we're going home with the joy of having played a mian event.
Easy call for me.
I didnt do maths i used software.
Very early hand in wsop and Carlo on big blind with AA
UTG limps 100 and there are 8 other limpers, Carlo now makes it 1125 which is 225 + 900 extra for the limpers with everyone at table still almost on their starting stacks.
UTG now pushes all in and there are 4 callers. Does he now call all in ?
Had to ask lol
Daz.
I think Carlo is right about the Aces!
but if I ever make an SPT and find myself on his table I'll be shoving on the first hand now I know he'll be folding!
In reply to Carlo wanting to know why i think its an easy call.
Firstly i dont really care about money, i play poker for enjoyment. Enjoyment for me is winning. Now if i win 120k on the first hand, i can control the table almost straight from the off. If i go out i can still say i played the main event. Plus everyone knows i love a bad beat story.
In questions to it, ill ask Carlo, If he could sit on a cash table with 400BB when everyone is sitting with 100BB hes at a massive advantage isnt it? Thats the same for the times when you win this.
Now of coarse if i win which i will slightly over 50% of the time so yes its a coin flip i maybe dont have to take, but it changed the full pospect of the tournament for you.
How would you feel if you folded and the flop came AAx thats going to play on your mind for the rest of the night isnt it?
Playing for the win means playing from the win from the first hand to the last. Even in an extremely deep structure we have to play for the win from hand number one. And even if it means taking aces 4 way preflop im happy to do that.
Same question slightly changed to carlo. You have 9T and the flop comes 678 but theres 2 diamonds you dnt have any diamonds and 3 people shove does he fold? In the exact same situation 1 hand of WSOP.
Edit: re to above (evil pingu) surley 10k is nothing to Negranu so surley hed call. guess only hed know.
family pot up to big blind which is Carlo with Aces what proportion of his stack would he bet?
or would he wimp and call?
Enjoying the show as ever. Must give a mention to Carlos prog where he was analysing Anna's hands(no not nail polish!!). It still brings a smile to my face and the rewind button got some serious stick. Even TommyD was flummoxed playing hands against her.
Here's a groan though...get ready...
Will Carlo be getting a 'Citroen E' car?....cue corny music!!!
I agree with Carlo's sentiment....when i played my first live tournament in Liverpool less than a year soon after joing sky, i was surprised at thecurt behaviour. I'm not sure if i did wrong but i stood up and shook hands with them if i'd knocked them out.....Actually, by luck, i went on to win it but some people were just so surly. What happened to enjoying the moment?
cheers
Steve aka profman15
Carlo is on the big blind with aces and there are 3 all ins infront of him but the only difference is now that he is on the TV table and knows the entire poker world including alot of very fit women will see him fold Aces pre flop, does he now call ?
Same scenario again but this time Carlo is wearing a little bo peep outfit courtesy of Sam Razavi and still with the entire poker world watching including all of those very fit women and also knowing if he loses he can now get away from those cameras does he now call ?
Great show tonight guys.
Daz.
was just wandering what others are saying about this.. link to thread if there is one would be great!!
regarding "hoodies"as you know i started playing poker a long time ago,the only piece of clothing with a hood was a dufle coat,lol
I think his alias is just saying to Tikay that nobody likes the M3