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New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove'

Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
edited May 2012 in Poker Chat

Hi everyone

As you know, we've done some work on creating different table formats including deeper-stacked cash tables which are popular but now we'ew trialling some at the opposite end of the scale and they are called SHORT SHOVE tables.

You can find these tables easily as they have their own 'short' filter on the cash lobby. They are fun tables where it's pretty much all or nothing when you get involved in a hand, based on the fact that you can only buy-in with 5 big blinds. No more, no less.

They are great fun and certainly will have different tactics to playing deep! We're sure people will soon work out their own systems for this.

One interesting thing is that they can suit lower bankroll players and put them on a more level playing field with other players because you can only start with the same stack.

So we are starting with:

- 10p/20p (£1 to play)
- 25p/50p (£2.50)
- 50p/£1 (£5)
- £1/£2 (£10)

So as we said, £1/£2 buy-in is akin to 5p/10p on 'regular' tables. This reminds us, if you don't want these to appear in your lobby, click on the 'regular' filter and they will disappear.

Sound like fun? - then give them a go.

We hope you enjoy them!

Thanks
Sky Poker
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2012
    Hope you're not gonna snap delete everyones post who says exactly the same as I just did. Might as well close the thread now.

    Good idea though. 
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  • splashiessplashies Member Posts: 3,680
    edited May 2012
    I really dont see the point of this?

    You are charging 5% rake too, so I can't see how these are beatable?? Am i missing something?
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  • Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
    edited May 2012

    We realise these might not be everone's cup of tea but others will love them.

    Not everyone likes DYMs / hypercharged / Bounty Hunters, others like them.

    People have the choice to play them or not. As with all the trials we do, if they are not popular, we'll stop doing them. Many of the most popular games on Sky Poker started with trials like this.

    Thanks
    Sky Poker
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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,646
    edited May 2012


    I am not a cash player, but I am sure these kind of tables would only work if the rake were lowered. Keeping the same rake will only be a bigger gain for Sky Poker from the micro players.
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  • 12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':
    I really dont see the point of this? You are charging 5% rake too, so I can't see how these are beatable?? Am i missing something?
    Posted by splashies
    Some people play poker just for fun you know ...
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  • Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':
    I really dont see the point of this? You are charging 5% rake too, so I can't see how these are beatable?? Am i missing something?
    Posted by splashies

    It's a different type of game but some people will work them out.

    Solack will probably have a system!
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':
    In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove' : It's a different type of game but some people will work them out. Solack will probably have a system!
    Posted by Sky_Poker
    They wont. If anyone can show a profit at this, I'll give them the money myself. 

    Why say changes will come in, in the order they are most needed......

    Then bring this out ahead of antes? 


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  • Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':
    I am not a cash player, but I am sure these kind of tables would only work if the rake were lowered. Keeping the same rake will only be a bigger gain for Sky Poker from the micro players.
    Posted by MAXALLY
    We kept the rake standard for now but will look into this.

    Thanks
    Sky Poker
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  • Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':
    In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove' : They wont. If anyone can show a profit at this, I'll give them the money myself.  Why say changes will come in, in the order they are most needed...... Then bring this out ahead of antes? 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Hi Dohhhhhhh - you might be surprised!

    Also, this genuinely has nothing to do with antes. It uses existing functionality and so does not impact any other developments.

    Thanks
    Sky Poker
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  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    edited May 2012
    Why they not on 2p/4p?
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  • SwogSwog Member Posts: 488
    edited May 2012

    To be honest, i like the idea. But i think maybe a buy-in of anything upto 20BB's. With a slight reduction in rake?

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  • Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':
    Why they not on 2p/4p?
    Posted by oynutter
    Hi Oynutter - we may do these later but because it was a trial we just chose some 'mid-level' tables first. Especially because the buy-ins are already low too.
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  • Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':
    To be honest, i like the idea. But i think maybe a buy-in of anything upto 20BB's. With a slight reduction in rake?
    Posted by Swog
    Again, this is something we can look at look at adjusting based on how these go.

    Thank you.

    Sky Poker
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  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,436
    edited May 2012
    I'd imagine at 5bb max,these are the cash equivalent of a frenzy tournament, where there is no skill involved and just a question of making it past the rebuy period and hoping your hands hold up in the freeze out period.Still, some people will play them I'm sure.
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited May 2012
    Played exactly the same thing on another site, wasn't a fan, and can't see them adding anything to Sky Poker. 

    If anything, they're going to take the people who want to gamble away from the regular cash tables, which is a bad thing for the players (we have to play stronger players if all the gamblers are on the short tables). I honestly can't see any benefit of having these tables.

    I also think you'll have to drop the rake from 5% if you want anyone to play them, as these will be unbeatable otherwise. 
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited May 2012
    Im sitting at a 20nl table with 5bbs someone come play me!
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited May 2012
    OK played for 5 mins, i like the idea of SKy trying different things.. but at the moment i dont see the appeal of these...They might be popular late on a friday or saturday night tho!

    although heres a couple of hands that just happened!:)
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    heapey0015 Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £0.67
    rtc Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £0.00
    25jamie125 Sit out     
    Grispino Big blind  £0.20 £0.50 £0.80
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • 9
    		   
    Grispino Check     
    GREGHOGG All-in  £1.20 £1.70 £0.00
    mondo1985 Fold     
    heapey0015 All-in  £0.67 £2.37 £0.00
    Grispino All-in  £0.80 £3.17 £0.00
    GREGHOGG Unmatched bet  £0.20 £2.97 £0.20
    heapey0015 Show
    • 2
    • A
    		   
    rtc Show
    • 5
    • 2
    		   
    Grispino Show
    • K
    • K
    		   
    GREGHOGG Show
    • K
    • 9
    		   
    Flop
      
    • 10
    • 8
    • 8
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 6
    		   
    River
      
    • 3
    		   
    GREGHOGG Win Flush to the King £2.82  £3.02
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    25jamie125 Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £3.49
    GREGHOGG Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £2.83
     Your hole cards
    • J
    • 7
    		   
    mondo1985 Fold     
    25jamie125 Call  £0.10 £0.40 £3.39
    GREGHOGG Check     
    Flop
      
    • J
    • J
    • J
    		   
    25jamie125 Check     
    GREGHOGG Check     
    Turn
      
    • 8
    		   
    25jamie125 Check     
    GREGHOGG Bet  £0.20 £0.60 £2.63
    25jamie125 Fold     
    GREGHOGG Muck     
    GREGHOGG Win  £0.38  £3.01
    GREGHOGG Return  £0.20 £0.02 £3.21
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  • FlyingDaggFlyingDagg Member Posts: 4,146
    edited May 2012
    Surely these are just a shove fest and take all the skill out of a game?
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited May 2012
    omg this is the worst idea ever !

    takes short stacking to a whole new level !
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited May 2012

    just played 25/50 with a buyin of 2.50 and got it up to 20 quid then donked it off again lol

    these are already growing on me! sighaments

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