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  • KAM99KAM99 Member Posts: 773
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Input on this would be pretty good as i seem to be a donkey, clown eg? id say i got balls other than anything else!:
    heres the hand a great player btw just bad timing  http://youtu.be/G5ASZKL01ss
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    Awesomely great would likely be more accurate. He crushes online right now. Think on he figures I saw on the recent battles he had with some of the other top pros he just killed it. Yep definately a bluff at bad time this one, but hey at least he likely had a read on the guy before doing it, and for a moment he had the guy thinking he was beat even with the ace. hehe
  • KAM99KAM99 Member Posts: 773
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Input on this would be pretty good as i seem to be a donkey, clown eg? id say i got balls other than anything else!:
    I do multi table and i was at the time also , its the highest buy in mtt ive played in before as i really am not an mtt player i make the same moves in cash all the time and as fabraclass pointed out i should keep it to that , inexperince which obviously showed on the slower structure game  , i personally wouldnt say its gunna cost me alot of money as i think against better players itl work now and again and i rarely play mtts guess it was just a bit of fun to to try it and playing this type of tourney is just rare Btw have you seen the video on Victor bloom where he raise then pushes on a re raise on some guy on a like A A X board with literlly garbage on sum tourny Never comparing myself to him just balls comes to mind
    Posted by kidwiz10
    Also, its not just the slower structure but the fact it is a bounty hunter. You will see a lot more odd play I find in them just because of the bounty. And sometimes its not even just odd play, but the bounty calculated into the odds etc. Not saying villian as right in this hand either by the way, as not commented on that really. Just commented on yours as villian didn't post for his hand to be assessed.

    So yeah definately have to adjust play from most game types. BH, cash, SNG, DYM and MTT all have slightly different play styles and easy to mis-step in them. Cash game players normally make transistion to MTT's more easy than MTT to cash, but its still a different skill set at times.
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2012
    Agree with evil and fabra, just a couple of points

    Just because yo may have the biggest balls in the world doesn't mean you have to continue everytime you are 3bet.  As said in other posts 4b is much better than flat if you want to continue. Just saying oh I can't fold the way I play is silly imo, you can't open wide and then call with100% of that range without spewing , even allowing you plan to bluff sometimes.  If you are opening wide and villains adjust by 3betting you need to adjust your ranges, but flatting 3b with junk is not the way to adjust. Narrow opening range, 4b bluff more, 4b and get it in wider would be better.. 

    If you are readless here then it's a trivial fold, calling to make unknowns fold over pairs is bad poker. If he is a reg with history v you , then he's not going to fold big hands too often either

    If you are bluffing turn bet bigger, let him know he will be playing for stacks on river. On river you lose value with small bet ( why do you want it to look strong btw?) and it also makes it easy for him to hero call as he gets good odds and is left with 50bb. 
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited May 2012
    very long thread, just a simple post

    by calling a 3 bet just to outplay someone is just not a good enough reason

    if we always think we should flat 3 bets just to rep then frankly, this is not going to turn out good the majority of the time

    by doing this we are just making it the game really hard for ourselves

    just because your playing a high buy in MTT, doesn't mean you need to go and outplay everyone putting yourself in horrible spots

    +1 to GT comments



  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Input on this would be pretty good as i seem to be a donkey, clown eg? id say i got balls other than anything else!:
    In Response to Re: Input on this would be pretty good as i seem to be a donkey, clown eg? id say i got balls other than anything else! : Did you post this thread for feedback or for a back pat for playing well? Just wondering as anytime anyone has said anything negative to it you've kind of tried to defend it. And no I don't think his post is sarcasm, but making the point that either the guy couldn't play well and just was sticking to his tptk, which can happen early stages of an MTT, and why bluffing isn't always wise. Or maybe he had noted you playing to many hands so far? Or had notes on you from some other game etc and was playing against you the player not the board. That is his point, and nothin sarcstic about it.
    Posted by KAM99
    ty Kam.

    Was too busy to argue this one as wa involved making myself look like a nut case in GPC :p

    Had given a slightly longer reply to this thread on pg1 and didnt want to go into detail again.
  • offshootoffshoot Member Posts: 1,049
    edited May 2012
    Fold to the 3bet. Calling is in no way good. You have a terrible hand to be calling 3bets with. After that youre just trying to dig yourself out the hole youve made. I would say its probably not wise to try and put moves on unknowns when you think their range is QQ+. People dont fold overpairs. Youre probably just gonna end up donating chips, and unfortunately theres no consolation prize for the person with the biggest balls.
  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited May 2012
    I think you summed it up when ou said that you lacked patience!

    So early, why bother playing this hand It would probably win you a small pot or lose you a big one.....IMO. Cheers
  • goodylad21goodylad21 Member Posts: 693
    edited May 2012
    Your opponent is a very good player by the way !!

    You have left his name in your OP.
  • FabraclassFabraclass Member Posts: 117
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Input on this would be pretty good as i seem to be a donkey, clown eg? id say i got balls other than anything else!:
    Agree with evil and fabra, just a couple of points Just because yo may have the biggest balls in the world doesn't mean you have to continue everytime you are 3bet.  As said in other posts 4b is much better than flat if you want to continue. Just saying oh I can't fold the way I play is silly imo, you can't open wide and then call with100% of that range without spewing , even allowing you plan to bluff sometimes.  If you are opening wide and villains adjust by 3betting you need to adjust your ranges, but flatting 3b with junk is not the way to adjust. Narrow opening range, 4b bluff more, 4b and get it in wider would be better..  If you are readless here then it's a trivial fold, calling to make unknowns fold over pairs is bad poker. If he is a reg with history v you , then he's not going to fold big hands too often either If you are bluffing turn bet bigger, let him know he will be playing for stacks on river. On river you lose value with small bet ( why do you want it to look strong btw?) and it also makes it easy for him to hero call as he gets good odds and is left with 50bb. 
    Posted by grantorino
    Exactly the best way to adjust if sum1 is 3 betting you so much that it makes opening marginal hands unprofitable. And you will have to get it in slightly lighter.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Input on this would be pretty good as i seem to be a donkey, clown eg? id say i got balls other than anything else!:
    Your opponent is a very good player by the way !! You have left his name in your OP.
    Posted by goodylad21
    omg, don't try and outplay a very good mtt player !

    sigh


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