In Response to Re: Spiritual Poker? : Your post other than the bold bit is non-disputable, and although the worlds best minds are struggling to make a connection or a complete theory that could intertwine quantum theory and the theory of relativity to create a complete theory of everything, these two theories alone have been scrutinized to this day to the last neutrino <mega LOL, and have stood the test of time. Although among the factual content of these theory's some observations made cannot be theoretically proven; as of yet. But WE believe in them, all of modern day scientist base their thesis on them WHY? because they are based on the natural laws of physics and have stood a battering from skeptics, do we understand them? there's a lot we don't understand and probably never will especially if string theory is the case... Posted by WHOAMI196
I assume the mega lol is because it now appears that neutrinos don't travel faster than light. Whoops!
Just re read through this thread and wanted to add/say:
Just say a time came when we could explain and quantify every nuance of creation - would this automatically negate spirituallity? Would understanding every aspect of the physical universe - its beginning, probable end and development remove the need for an overall creator?
Personally I dont think so. Think the universe would be a tragic parody if that were the case
In Response to Re: Spiritual Poker? : I assume the mega lol is because it now appears that neutrinos don't travel faster than light. Whoops! Posted by elsadog
to be fair to the chaps at CERN, they did ask for their calculations to be scrutinized and looked over before claiming the "impossible", well by Einstein theory anyhow! but still a face palm moment lol esp seeing how much money they spent trying to learn about this illusive particle, they must felt for a second that it was money well spent lol.
This is a slightly strange question, but I'm just wondering if anybody believes spirit/spiritual beliefs/spiritual activities help while playing poker? And more importantly, if anybody does anything like this during poker or away from poker feel free to inbox me, I'd like to know what you do. I don't want to go into too much on this thread as it may come across slightly weird and probably isn't what a general poker chat forum wants... feel free to inbox me anything, you don't have to reply to this thread. The reason I've started this is because I believe something is happening this year (not the end of the world lol) and I've read a few spiritual poker blogs and it's all quite interesting to me. Cheers Posted by percival09
so you must be into the myan calendar. it does seem to be coming true makes you think.
Just re read through this thread and wanted to add/say: Just say a time came when we could explain and quantify every nuance of creation - would this automatically negate spirituallity? Would understanding every aspect of the physical universe - its beginning, probable end and development remove the need for an overall creator? Personally I dont think so. Think the universe would be a tragic parody if that were the case Posted by AMYBR
Why do you have this view?? "every nuance of creation", what does this even mean, what differences of creation :S,
I think spirituality depends on the individual! I have no interest in it tbh
"remove the need for a creator" there has never been a "need" for a creator, imo its more a selfish want...
In Response to Re: Spiritual Poker? : Why do you have this view?? "every nuance of creation", what does this even mean, what differences of creation :S, I think spirituality depends on the individual! I have no interest in it tbh "remove the need for a creator" there has never been a "need" for a creator, imo its more a selfish want... Posted by WHOAMI196
The need for a creator/god or God was a solution to the lack of understanding of the way the world works. It was an answer to all things beyond the comprehension and understanding of man.
I may just inbox you my entire personal philosophy.
I understand your perspective, also agree with what you are saying to specific cross sections of belief systems.
But I have a personal faith in something else entirely.
You obv have a scientific mind. Many scientific minds look upon the universe and hold it in awe and reverance, rather than seperating the aesthetic from the spiritual - making them mutually exclusive.
I agree with what you say about "need" and "selfish wants". But faith/religious faith and spiritual faith are not neccessarily bad things... it seems like you think they are but I may be reading it wrong?
If a person can seperate spirituality from religious dogma, faith and belief become something else entirely. If you remove the stigma of "GOD" from a creative entity it also opens up totally different spheres of thought and philosophy. If we remove a redundant personal morality from that same stigmatised GOD entity the philosophy changes again. Science and faith/spirituality do not have to be mutually exclusive imo
I have no need or selfish want from a creative/governing force (but I do fully understand what you are saying). For me it was an intellectual decision that then lead to a personal faith/philosophy
In Response to Re: Spiritual Poker? : The need for a creator/god or God was a solution to the lack of understanding of the way the world works. It was an answer to all things beyond the comprehension and understanding of man. Rather than a ''want'' it was a necessity. Posted by elsadog
Im not sure if it ever was a necessity tbh, the Greek astronomers, i think, based their assumptions around the premise of their religious beliefs and the rest of the communicative world listened, and believed in them, the more religion was preached the more it gave people a meaning to life maybe? and of course an easier understanding of what's around them, but still that's a want imo. For a person to need something then he/she cant do without this necessity, i mean where does the need for an easier understanding of everything fit in?
Religion has always been important for human evolution though, i will admit this, the bible for instance has been a valuable tool towards the English literature as we know it today, also it has brought forward skeptics to question its authenticity of the claims within it that has led to greater understanding of our world, perhaps it sped up our intellectual evolution! not sure where we would be without it tbh!
OK so there may be a time where there was a fine line with need and a want for religion, perhaps you where right with your comment? idk, but it cant be said for the modern day surely!
WOW......... I may just inbox you my entire personal philosophy. I understand your perspective, also agree with what you are saying to specific cross sections of belief systems. But I have a personal faith in something else entirely. You obv have a scientific mind. Many scientific minds look upon the universe and hold it in awe and reverance, rather than seperating the aesthetic from the spiritual - making them mutually exclusive. I agree with what you say about "need" and "selfish wants". But faith/religious faith and spiritual faith are not neccessarily bad things... it seems like you think they are but I may be reading it wrong? If a person can seperate spirituality from religious dogma, faith and belief become something else entirely. If you remove the stigma of "GOD" from a creative entity it also opens up totally different spheres of thought and philosophy. If we remove a redundant personal morality from that same stigmatised GOD entity the philosophy changes again. Science and faith/spirituality do not have to be mutually exclusive imo I have no need or selfish want from a creative/governing force (but I do fully understand what you are saying). For me it was an intellectual decision that then lead to a personal faith/philosophy Posted by AMYBR
:P lol
Ref second bolded bit, Yes and No, Religion for me can be disastrous especially with what you see in middle eastern countries, regarding extremism, NON secular society where people are badly punished for apostatizing, committing adultery etc, all down to their religious beliefs, Best to leave that topic there tbh, before that gets out of hand!!
There are bad things about religion, but there are some good in it also but imo it has served it purpose. Spirituality is something i do not connect with, or get tbh so wont comment on it, but don't think its bad though lol.
Can i just add regarding the spirituality aspect, its very bad when someone like that idiot Derrek accurah, profiting from what he does. Its disgusting the claim he made recently, apparently he had spoken to some dead dude and was told that Maddie Mcann was "no longer with us", fkn B*****d, you should not take away someone's hope away from them, even if the mcanns does not believe his Bull****.
I watched a good documentary with louis theroux in America regarding faith healers, also Darren Brown made superb experiment on the same subject, it involved teaching an "average joe" in becoming a faith healer in America, worth watching! It shows the evil side to Faith, the money laundering was ridiculous, these so called "faith healers" were literally multi millionaire's through their scamming rituals.
In Response to Re: Spiritual Poker? : I'm not sure if it ever was a necessity tbh, the Greek astronomers, i think, based their assumptions around the premise of their religious beliefs and the rest of the communicative world listened, and believed in them, the more religion was preached the more it gave people a meaning to life maybe? and of course an easier understanding of what's around them, but still that's a want imo. For a person to need something then he/she cant do without this necessity, i mean where does the need for an easier understanding of everything fit in? Religion has always been important for human evolution though, i will admit this, the bible for instance has been a valuable tool towards the English literature as we know it today, also it has brought forward skeptics to question its authenticity of the claims within it that has led to greater understanding of our world, perhaps it sped up our intellectual evolution! not sure where we would be without it tbh! OK so there may be a time where there was a fine line with need and a want for religion, perhaps you where right with your comment? idk, but it cant be said for the modern day surely! Posted by WHOAMI196
I have to disagree with your stance on need and want.
(There was a radio 4 programme on just this subject a few days ago).
The belief in a supreme being pre-dates the Greeks and can be found all over the world in one form or another. One explanation is that human beings are hard wired as infants to depend on adults and this dependency stays with us as adults to one degree or another. The ancient world would have been a scary place and the lack of understanding of natural phenomena such as earthquakes etc would bring about the need to rely on a superior being to protect them.
The educated brain of an adult is a development of the child's brain with the early life needs and fears of the child still in place. Knowledge and understanding enhance and modify, but never replace, those childhood needs. When a child needs feeding or nurturing they are not wants but needs and that applies equally in the ancient world and the modern world.
The need for a benevolent superior is there in all of us. It may be suppressed and diminished by education but it is always there. It usually takes a significant happening to bring it forth but it is there in all of us....... even you.
If there is a god, then god put the planet in the perfect orbit around the sun-- This means god created the universe, which in turn means he created the big bang, and probably blew himself up---so there!
Need or want? Isn't this just picking hairs? Doesn't a strong "want" become a need.
Is the question, or at least one of the questions in this very inquisitive thread, really about "has the lot of mankind changed sufficiently so that a historic need/want is no longer required. Modern Science can clearly replace a lot of the need/want of understanding that we might have that religion previously provided. We now have a much better idea of why the seasons change, why this year's harvest failed etc. But even with that we can see society crumbling in places - the riots - Friday night binge drinking ..... So clearly Science on it's own is not yet sufficient to deliver a future Utopia, as the increasingly debauched nature of elements of our society are heading in a very different direction.
So not sure I buy into the need/want of a benevolent superior, but certainly society needs a stronger moral compass than it currently has, and where is it going to come from?
Can i just add regarding the spirituality aspect, its very bad when someone like that idiot Derrek accurah, profiting from what he does. Its disgusting the claim he made recently, apparently he had spoken to some dead dude and was told that Maddie Mcann was "no longer with us", fkn B*****d, you should not take away someone's hope away from them, even if the mcanns does not believe his Bull****. I watched a good documentary with louis theroux in America regarding faith healers, also Darren Brown made superb experiment on the same subject, it involved teaching an "average joe" in becoming a faith healer in America, worth watching! It shows the evil side to Faith, the money laundering was ridiculous, these so called "faith healers" were literally multi millionaire's through their scamming rituals. Posted by WHOAMI196
That was the first Darren Brown show I saw and I was very impresses (but then - for me - he lost all credibility with his roulette one).
Dont get me started on Derrick Accurah. As said purely evil man with a personality Disorder. Am Irish and a qualified Mental Health Nurse. He was biggish on Tv in ireland before the rest of great britain had to suffer him. My 2 favourites were when he claimed on live tv that many Mental health hospitals in the world were now being closed as many patients previously diagnosed with schizophrenia had been released due to practioners realising they were infact mediums............... And a very cruel yes man philosophy presented as fact concerning the spirits of children that had passed over, delivered to grieving parents.
Oh and the whole ghost of an alien malarky. Proved fraudster and just an evil desperate human being. Him and Uri geller should be dropped in a hole and shot.
Back on point though : Yes religion has done alot of harm and continues to do so. IMO religion is purely a man made agenda that has NOTHING to do with spirituality. I had faith/belief in nothing for 2/3's of my life until I had an ickle epiphany and seperated the two concepts. Faith/belief was always something uncomrehensible and intangible until I had it. Something that I often mocked myself, purely through not understanding it/having no appreciation of it it. Think I was a bit jealous also as my rational mind used to tear itself to shreds. I think, for most people, faith/belief is something you are born with (god module) or something you hedge your bets with late in life. But I remember the instant that my scientific understanding of the universe lead to a very personal belief system and am grateful for it. (But in essence it was an active choice.)
Oh and when I say personal belief system I do not mean a personal relationship. I think our thoughts probably run along the same lines about a perceived "personal" relationship with any real or potential creator
I have just been through a deeply religious experience and now agree with Stewart Lee who say's that something as beautiful, and complex, and intricate as Richard Dawkins could not have evolved by itself, and must have been put on the planet by God, to test us,---------- like fossils--- and facts.
In Response to Re: Spiritual Poker? : I have to disagree with your stance on need and want. (There was a radio 4 programme on just this subject a few days ago). The belief in a supreme being pre-dates the Greeks and can be found all over the world in one form or another. One explanation is that human beings are hard wired as infants to depend on adults and this dependency stays with us as adults to one degree or another. The ancient world would have been a scary place and the lack of understanding of natural phenomena such as earthquakes etc would bring about the need to rely on a superior being to protect them. The educated brain of an adult is a development of the child's brain with the early life needs and fears of the child still in place. Knowledge and understanding enhance and modify, but never replace, those childhood needs. When a child needs feeding or nurturing they are not wants but needs and that applies equally in the ancient world and the modern world. The need for a benevolent superior is there in all of us. It may be suppressed and diminished by education but it is always there. It usually takes a significant happening to bring it forth but it is there in all of us....... even you. Posted by elsadog
Well put elsadog...I tend to agree with this statement too but maybe all of our faiths tend to stem from this lack of understanding/ need to know more. Cheers
I don't see any connection between this thread and 'General Poker Chat' anymore. If you want to peddle this sort of crackpot stuff you should be doing it in The Shed or Area51.
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Just say a time came when we could explain and quantify every nuance of creation - would this automatically negate spirituallity? Would understanding every aspect of the physical universe - its beginning, probable end and development remove the need for an overall creator?
Personally I dont think so. Think the universe would be a tragic parody if that were the case
The need for a creator/god or God was a solution to the lack of understanding of the way the world works. It was an answer to all things beyond the comprehension and understanding of man.
Rather than a ''want'' it was a necessity.
I may just inbox you my entire personal philosophy.
I understand your perspective, also agree with what you are saying to specific cross sections of belief systems.
But I have a personal faith in something else entirely.
You obv have a scientific mind. Many scientific minds look upon the universe and hold it in awe and reverance, rather than seperating the aesthetic from the spiritual - making them mutually exclusive.
I agree with what you say about "need" and "selfish wants". But faith/religious faith and spiritual faith are not neccessarily bad things... it seems like you think they are but I may be reading it wrong?
If a person can seperate spirituality from religious dogma, faith and belief become something else entirely. If you remove the stigma of "GOD" from a creative entity it also opens up totally different spheres of thought and philosophy. If we remove a redundant personal morality from that same stigmatised GOD entity the philosophy changes again. Science and faith/spirituality do not have to be mutually exclusive imo
I have no need or selfish want from a creative/governing force (but I do fully understand what you are saying). For me it was an intellectual decision that then lead to a personal faith/philosophy
Dont get me started on Derrick Accurah. As said purely evil man with a personality Disorder. Am Irish and a qualified Mental Health Nurse. He was biggish on Tv in ireland before the rest of great britain had to suffer him. My 2 favourites were when he claimed on live tv that many Mental health hospitals in the world were now being closed as many patients previously diagnosed with schizophrenia had been released due to practioners realising they were infact mediums............... And a very cruel yes man philosophy presented as fact concerning the spirits of children that had passed over, delivered to grieving parents.
Oh and the whole ghost of an alien malarky. Proved fraudster and just an evil desperate human being. Him and Uri geller should be dropped in a hole and shot.
Back on point though
Oh and when I say personal belief system I do not mean a personal relationship. I think our thoughts probably run along the same lines about a perceived "personal" relationship with any real or potential creator
Well put elsadog...I tend to agree with this statement too but maybe all of our faiths tend to stem from this lack of understanding/ need to know more. Cheers