Jugglegeek's diary. First profitable day for two weeks.

Lambert180

I'm also following too by the way.

Yeah it's nigh on impossible to count how many hands you've played on here, I used to keep track of hands played in my spreadsheet and I just used to say I played 80 hours per hour, I think on average it's gonna be about 80 give or take a few.

While you're playing 4NL, unless you're a machine like TINTIN, you might aswell pretend C4P doesn't exist to be honest lol. Once you get to 8NL and 10NL, it should be alot easier to start regularly getting C4P.

Can send you a copy of the spreadsheet I use if you're interested by the way.

devonfish5

i,m reading juggles.
keep it going m8.
can be tough some days,as it can feel like it,s you v the world.

dev

jugglegeek

In Response to Re: Jugglegeek's diary. 10k hands complete:

i,m reading juggles. keep it going m8. can be tough some days,as it can feel like it,s you v the world. dev
Posted by devonfish5

Thanks Devon. Certainly does feel that way at the moment as my bad run continues. Joined the loony brigade last night at 2am and lost half a buy in after 200 hands. I don't think I can cope with that level of variance at the moment though. Won two £9 pots with the nuts and lost two BIs in spots where I think I only called because it was 2am and I didn't give my opponents enough credit. Once I had top pair on a Kd6c7c board in a limpped pot I saw from the blinds with K8. The button open shoved after 5 checks with 6d7d. I just thought he had a draw to be honest and fancied a gamble. Sat down to play this morning and this was the very first hand. Managed to come out in profit for the morning but this felt like a sign of things to come:

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
x	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.38
jugglegeek	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.96
	Your hole cards	A 9
x	Call		£0.02	£0.08	£2.36
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.08	£0.16	£3.88
x	Call		£0.08	£0.24	£2.28
Flop
		5 A 5
jugglegeek	Bet		£0.18	£0.42	£3.70
x	Call		£0.18	£0.60	£2.10
Turn
		10
jugglegeek	Bet		£0.45	£1.05	£3.25
x	Call		£0.45	£1.50	£1.65
River
		10
jugglegeek	All-in		£3.25	£4.75	£0.00
x	All-in		£1.65	£6.40	£0.00
jugglegeek	Unmatched bet		£1.60	£4.80	£1.60
x	Show	6 10
jugglegeek	Show	A 9
x	Win	Full House, 10s and 5s	£4.44		£4.44

Thanks for the offer of a spreadsheet but I already have one on the go. It's just occured to me that my formular for counting BB/100 was slightly off. I was calculating my BB/100 for each session and then averaging them to get my global BB/100. This is wrong and doesn't account for the fact that some sessions are longer than others. Since most of my sessions have been around the same length it doesn't make too much difference but this weekend I've played some longer sessions and so I'm actually running 21 for the June not 23. After a losing start to the month I'm now at 19.25.

Totals:
hands: 10445
P&L: £67.38
cash P&L: £84.88
BB/100: 19.25
tourny: -£17.50

jugglegeek

Seem to have found the boomswitch again. Won £20 in the last couple of hours, six hands winning more than £2 and only three losing more than a quid. It's interesting, a few small pots go my way and the confidence in my game comes back. I had a player a seat to my right who open raised to 12p each time he had the button. I 3-bet him to 36p with AK and he folded. It's not often players fold to 3-bets at NL4 but this guy folded to everything. I started 3-bet bluffing him regularly and must have won about £1 from him with total junk. Even if called I know my way around a 3-bet pot so I can give up if the flop looks unfavorable or c-bet 1/2 pot if it looks as though he has missed. Point is even if it all goes wrong and my 3-bet is called and he calls/raises my flop c-bet I can get away from the hand cheaply losing much less than £1. And it's good advertising if anyone is making notes for the times that I do have it.

The hand bellow is something I've been thinking about. I have no reads but all the players here are short stacked. There is a case for raising huge here but why telegraph my hand? I have possition and a raise to 24p and I encorage the blinds to call out of possition. Once I see the flop I'm happy to go with it right now and the villian donk leading does make it easy for me. But there are a whole set of flops that I can be weary about. I still plan on c-betting 50% on any flop but say I get check raised on a KdJdTc board I have the option to fold cheaply and not go broke.
There are plenty of donks at NL4 happy to make playing poker easy. This time the UTG player made two mistakes, calling the 3-bet with KTs and leading into the 3-better with top pair, weak kicker.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SB	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.48
BB	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.67
	Your hole cards	A A
UTG	Raise		£0.08	£0.14	£2.33
MP	Fold
CO	Fold
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.24	£0.38	£4.61
SB	Fold
BB	Call		£0.20	£0.58	£2.47
UTG	Call		£0.16	£0.74	£2.17
Flop
		3 K 2
BB	Check
UTG	Bet		£0.56	£1.30	£1.61
jugglegeek	Raise		£2.42	£3.72	£2.19
BB	Fold
UTG	All-in		£1.61	£5.33	£0.00
jugglegeek	Unmatched bet		£0.25	£5.08	£2.44
UTG	Show	K 10
jugglegeek	Show	A A
Turn
		Q
River
		5
jugglegeek	Win	Pair of Aces	£4.69		£7.13

Totals:
hands: 11145
P&L: £88.24
cash: £105.74
tourn: -£17.50
BB/100: 24.01

jugglegeek

Very frustrating evening. Played 200 hands after finishing work late and could not hit a barn door with a beach ball. The biggest pot I won was 40p. Meanwhile I ran AK into aces and jacks in the same hand for one buy in and check-folded another buy in away after the worse run of dead cards in the history of all poker. Then I come back and my jacks hold vs AKs, someone gives me a buy-in trying to bluff into my full house with four-high and I even flop quads on a free flop with T4s and get action:

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SB	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.56
jugglegeek	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.96
	Your hole cards	10 4
UTG	Fold
MP	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.93
CO	Fold
BTN	Fold
SB	Call		£0.02	£0.12	£3.54
jugglegeek	Check
Flop
		10 10 10
SB	Bet		£0.04	£0.16	£3.50
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.19	£0.35	£3.77
MP	Fold
SB	Raise		£0.30	£0.65	£3.20
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.75	£1.40	£3.02
SB	Fold
jugglegeek	Muck
jugglegeek	Win		£0.74		£3.76
jugglegeek	Return		£0.60	£0.06	£4.36

I think I made a mistake in this hand actually. The player clearly has some kind of pocket pair and was looking to set mine. Probably like 77 or 88. I think my 4-bet should be much bigger here. Maybe if I even just shoved then I get him suspicious and get called. I could also flat call but I don't think I get much action if a paint card hits on the turn.

After all that I ended up a mizerly 41p after 450 hands. Better luck next time I guess.

July Totals:
hands: 1792
P&L: £20.39
C4P: 53
BB/100: 28.45
current BR: £189.23

jugglegeek

So I finally made it to £200 last night and at 11pm I opened up four NL8 tables. I played my same game that I play at NL4 and managed to run worse than I've run so far. I lost a full stack with QQ AIPF against kings and aces, 2x TPTK vs trips, and one over pair all in on the turn vs a flush draw that got their on the river. All the while not winning more than £1.79 in any single hand. After 230 hands I had lost £22.33 or 2.8 buy-ins. I've been here before, the last time I tried to grind out a bankroll at 888 I would beat NL6 untill I had a shot at NL10 and then drop 3-4 BIs very quickly to coolers. My plan is to stick it out until I either reach £160 (meaning I would have lost 5 buy-ins) or I start winning again. I think a stop loss of 5 buy-ins is enough to give myself a chance but won't cause too much of a dent to my BR. £40 would take me 5000 hands to win back at NL4 (at a rate of 20BBs/100) so that would be two weeks' work.

On the plus side my C4P increased rather nicely thanks to the new level and happy hour. I made 25 last night in 230 hands. That's 3x what I've been earning so far at NL4.

Anyway, here is one of my folds from last night. I think it was the right thing since the "min-raise on the turn" line is nearly always beating TPTK. The limp-call was not standard from this player (he had been open raising in this possition too) so I think probably a set or two-pair:

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
x	Sit out
jugglegeek	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£8.57
BB	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£8.85
	Your hole cards	J A
UTG	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£7.31
MP	Fold
CO	Fold
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.28	£0.48	£8.29
BB	Fold
UTG	Call		£0.24	£0.72	£7.07
Flop
		10 2 J
jugglegeek	Bet		£0.40	£1.12	£7.89
UTG	Call		£0.40	£1.52	£6.67
Turn
		8
jugglegeek	Bet		£0.96	£2.48	£6.93
UTG	Raise		£1.92	£4.40	£4.75
jugglegeek	Fold
UTG	Muck
UTG	Win		£3.18		£7.93
UTG	Return		£0.96	£0.26	£8.89

Two more shots left basically and then it's back to NL4 for two weeks. :-(

Totals:

hands: 2651
cash P&L: £7.29
C4P: 93
BR: £175.13
BB/100: 17.40

devonfish5

hi juggles,
looks like you are doing well now on £175 from your original £40 start.
keep it up m8.
i know it can feel like a long lonely road sometimes & i'm sure it is no diferent for you.
are you finding it any harder @ nl8?
i know that i did when i moved up levels to the £5  level on my dym challenge.
keep posting & goog luck,
this message will
self destruct in 5 seconds.  lol

dev

TINTIN

i can sympathise with you about stepping up and hitting a bad spell, ive done it a few times going from nl4 to nl10. im now on my 5th attempt at it and this time im holding my own n winning some.

im glad you gave yourself a x amount of buyins for nl8 as that what i do and it can be hard to stop at that figure but it does work out best in the long run.

hope your nxt sesion goes better but if you have to step back down im sure it wont be long before your nxt attempt

clubhammer

Yes wish you good luck @ NL8 and the same to TINTIN @NL10 - anything that keeps NL4 simpler is good for me!
I wouldn't put my game anywhere near the standard of your's or TINTIN's but I have been struggling big time for the last 6 weeks. Was previously running @ 15BB/100 but plummeted to 10 now.
Some of it is bad play by me for sure but it does seem like little spells of run good interspersed with mostly run bad.
Whats the longest spells of run bad you've experienced?

MP33

Keep it up Juggle

Looks like youve already taken Tintins advice about setting yourself x amount of buy ins for when you step up and like he said if it doesn,t work out , you just start again at NL4 . If your committed which it sounds like you are you,ll get up those levels sooner rather than later.


GL - MP

jugglegeek

In Response to Re: Jugglegeek's diary. NL8 disaster:

hi juggles, looks like you are doing well now on £175 from your original £40 start.

Actually I started with £100. After the first post I decided to deposit another £60 to make it up to £100. I wanted to have a solid bankroll and I also wanted to spend as little time at NL4 as possible since I've beaten it before. I could afford a bankroll of £100 so I did it.

jugglegeek

What a difference a short break can make. Played 400 or so hands this evening (still 4 tabling at the moment) and won £19.56. Looking back at the big wins there was only one full buy-in, I c-bet with a gut-shot JT on a K49 flop and turned a queen for the nuts. The villian then checked and shove over my £1.14 bet into £1.52. The rest was steady grinding and working out the differences of playing a table full of calling station fish vs a table with 3-4 tag players. These players can be just as profitable as the stations but for smaller pots. Rather than making huge mistakes like NL4 fish. These guys make regular small mistakes like folding to 3-bets; calling 3-bets out of possition and then check-folding the flop; or c-betting every flop but hardly ever betting the turn. This was vs a player who looked like a solid reg but seemingly each time he raised pre-flop I would have a hand worth 3-betting. I think he may have leveled himself into a 4-bet-fold here after folding to my 3-bets two or three times before, or he may have made an excellent decicion with JJ, I guess I'll never know.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SB	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£8.19
jugglegeek	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£12.89
	Your hole cards	Q Q
UTG	Fold
BTN	Fold
SB	Raise		£0.20	£0.32	£7.99
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.64	£0.96	£12.25
SB	Raise		£1.60	£2.56	£6.39
jugglegeek	All-in		£12.25	£14.81	£0.00
SB	Fold
jugglegeek	Muck
jugglegeek	Win		£3.68		£3.68
jugglegeek	Return		£11.13	£0.00	£14.81

Later I ran top pair into a set but this time I think I lost the minimum.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SB	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£3.12
BB	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£8.04
	Your hole cards	J A
UTG	Raise		£0.24	£0.36	£7.95
jugglegeek	Call		£0.24	£0.60	£18.25
SB	Fold
BB	Call		£0.16	£0.76	£7.88
Flop
		7 4 6
BB	Check
UTG	Bet		£0.40	£1.16	£7.55
jugglegeek	Call		£0.40	£1.56	£17.85
BB	Fold
Turn
		A
UTG	Bet		£0.96	£2.52	£6.59
jugglegeek	Call		£0.96	£3.48	£16.89
River
		10
UTG	Check
jugglegeek	Check
UTG	Show	6 6
jugglegeek	Muck	J A
UTG	Win	Three 6s	£3.21		£9.80

I think I played the hand perfectly. I don't like to 3-bet pre here because I have to fold to a 4-bet and will fold out all the dominated Ax hands that I want to play against. I expect this villian to c-bet this flop about half pot 100% of the time so I'm not giving up to one street of betting. Raising the turn for value is an option against a loose player but this is one of the TAGregs. The river is an easy check back since I'm not beating very much by this point. I made a note on this player that he checked the river to try to enduce a check-raise.

July Totals:
hands: 3081
P&L: £26.85
BB/100: 22.91
BR: £195.69
C4P: 116

bolly580

why not 3bet fold the AJ? he alsmot never 4betting with worse and surelys its better than flop ciming A high and u losing bout 50bbs when he rolls over AK/AQ?

jugglegeek

In Response to Re: Jugglegeek's diary. NL8 comeback:

why not 3bet fold the AJ? he alsmot never 4betting with worse and surelys its better than flop ciming A high and u losing bout 50bbs when he rolls over AK/AQ?
Posted by bolly580

I don't like 3-betting mid aces because of the range of hands that should fold to 3-bet (especially out of possition). 3-betting does make sure that AK will likely 4-bet me, I agree. But it also means that worse aces will simply fold to the 3-bet. Also hands like KJ or even QJs might raise fold from early possition. Also he could have QQ/KK and I could spike an ace, 3-betting would mean I don't see a flop. A good 3-bet % is about 6% and JJ+/AK makes 3% of hands so the other 3% should be made up of semi-bluffs like suited connectors and suited rag aces. The type of hands that are easy to fold to 4-bet and have some equity of out-flopping bigger hands. AJ falls neatly in the middle of these ranges so I don't like to 3-bet with them. I'd rather 3-bet a hands like A5s or 9Ts than AJ.

bolly580

well there is that, however we 3bet to cbet..we will earn a ton of money cbetting in a 3bet pot as players of these levels your playing will peel really wide and check fold almsot every flop.

anyway GL

jugglegeek

NL8 is crushing me. Slowly. I've played 2029 hands so far at this new level and lost £14.85, that's -9 BB/100 and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. There are fewer tables at this level so table selection is pretty much nonexistint. I feel that I have to play at least four tables otherwise I get board and start leveling myself into 4-betting with KJo. True story, that actually happened. Worse I then c-bet and called a shove on the turn after the board runs QQ9K. This afternoon I ran AK into a set (see below), KQ into AQ on Q-high flop, tried to bluff a tight reg off a hand and failed, and lost a couple of 50:50 draws. But I'm not winning enough full stacks. I sure as heck are losing them but I've only had four hands winning more than £5 (I've had 6 where I've lost more than £5.
The plan is still to keep playing until I lose five buy-ins but something has to change. I don't know how much longer I can maintain the enthusiasm for playing when I'm gradually bleeding out my bankroll.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
jugglegeek	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£8.10
BB	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£6.53
	Your hole cards	K A
UTG	Raise		£0.32	£0.44	£7.82
CO	Fold
BTN	Call		£0.32	£0.76	£11.83
jugglegeek	Raise		£1.00	£1.76	£7.10
BB	Fold
UTG	Fold
BTN	Call		£0.72	£2.48	£11.11
Flop
		A 9 10
jugglegeek	Bet		£1.24	£3.72	£5.86
BTN	Raise		£2.48	£6.20	£8.63
jugglegeek	All-in		£5.86	£12.06	£0.00
BTN	Call		£4.62	£16.68	£4.01
jugglegeek	Show	K A
BTN	Show	9 9
Turn
		6
River
		Q
BTN	Win	Three 9s	£15.42		£19.43

I don't know what more I can do here aside from fold pre, or better yet take up scrable instead. I feel as though I should also be winning some of these. So far I'm not, I either don't get action or I get beat.

July Totals:
hands: 4450
P&L: 14.77
C4P: 207
BBs/100: 12.47 (NL4:30.59 - NL8:-9.15)

rancid

3 bet more pre, hand is a cooler though

at least with a bigger raise pre they can't set mine against you profitably plus you fold out better hands  - FE is your best friend

cash poker is a long road )

jugglegeek

In Response to Re: Jugglegeek's diary. NL8 still not working out:

3 bet more pre, hand is a cooler though at least with a bigger raise pre they can't set mine against you profitably plus you fold out better hands  - FE is your best friend cash poker is a long road )
Posted by rancid

To be honest I thought giving him 10:1 implied odds (72p to win £7.10) was enough. Can he really set-mine profitably in this spot. I supose he does have possition. sigh.

Still no improvement in the run good department. This happened, which I though was good: I check the turn to try and induce a bluff, I want his stack and if I just fire three barrells I no only reduce my chances of getting called with worse, he can just call it down to the river with worse queens.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SB	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£2.19
BB	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£8.04
	Your hole cards	A Q
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.24	£0.36	£7.82
MP	Fold
CO	Fold
BTN	Call		£0.24	£0.60	£9.75
SB	Call		£0.20	£0.80	£1.99
BB	Fold
Flop
		5 5 Q
SB	Check
jugglegeek	Bet		£0.40	£1.20	£7.42
BTN	Call		£0.40	£1.60	£9.35
SB	Fold
Turn
		9
jugglegeek	Check
BTN	Bet		£0.80	£2.40	£8.55
jugglegeek	Call		£0.80	£3.20	£6.62
River
		6
jugglegeek	Bet		£2.00	£5.20	£4.62
BTN	All-in		£8.55	£13.75	£0.00
jugglegeek	All-in		£4.62	£18.37	£0.00
BTN	Unmatched bet		£1.93	£16.44	£1.93
jugglegeek	Show	A Q
BTN	Show	K A
jugglegeek	Win	Two Pairs, Queens and 5s	£15.20		£15.20

But then again, I still came out of the session £5.65 worse off. I don't know what else I could have done here. The table is made up of pretty weak players, hence the min-betting. I'm not c-betting this flop ever. It just smacks the range for calling a button 3x too hard. Easy for someone to get stubbon with a pair+draw combo or simply just refuse to fold a mid pai. But I'm also not folding to a min bet with overcards to the board and backdoor nut flush draw. I know it's a paired board on the river but I can't just flat the raise can I?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SB	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£2.05
BB	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£8.09
	Your hole cards	A K
UTG	Fold
CO	Fold
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.24	£0.36	£7.76
SB	Call		£0.20	£0.56	£1.85
BB	Call		£0.16	£0.72	£7.93
Flop
		8 9 5
SB	Bet		£0.08	£0.80	£1.77
BB	Call		£0.08	£0.88	£7.85
jugglegeek	Call		£0.08	£0.96	£7.68
Turn
		4
SB	Bet		£0.08	£1.04	£1.69
BB	Call		£0.08	£1.12	£7.77
jugglegeek	Call		£0.08	£1.20	£7.60
River
		5
SB	Bet		£0.24	£1.44	£1.45
BB	Raise		£1.92	£3.36	£5.85
jugglegeek	All-in		£7.60	£10.96	£0.00
SB	Fold
BB	All-in		£5.85	£16.81	£0.00
BB	Unmatched bet		£0.17	£16.64	£0.17
BB	Show	5 5
jugglegeek	Show	A K
BB	Win	Four 5s	£15.39		£15.56

I'm only two and a bit buy-ins away from my stop-loss of five buy-ins now. I think that we could find me playing NL4 again by the end of the weekend if things keep going the way they are going. On the plus side, I'm now earning 1 point every 15 hands so reaching 500 has become possible. Another 4010 hands at the current rate and I reach 500 C4P, so that's half a buy-in right there in cash money!

In the meantime, I recomend you come join my on the NL8 tables - I'm a cooler magnet and your sure to double up from me pretty quickly.

July totals:
hands: 4688
P&L: £9.12
C4P: 224
BBs/100: 10.33 (NL4: 30.59 - NL8: -11.30)

jugglegeek

So after another catastrophic day at NL8 (down £13) I've hit my stop loss. I played a bit of NL4 this morning because there was no NL8 tables going and lost a buy-in there too. It lasted 8 days and 2774 hands at a rate of -17.32 BBs/100. I'd say that's a pretty impressive downswing. I've won over £5 five times and lost over £5 six times. These pots make up £9.80 of my losses so the rest of the £38.44 that I've lost at NL8 must be in smaller pots. It's hard to work out what I've been doing wrong really. It feels like I don't get action when I get big hands and so struggle to get paid off like I did at NL4. But then there are plenty of spots that I remember just not being able to win a hand without showdown. The tables are hard work too, with the regs buying in for 100BBs and the fish typically a lot shorter (sometimes as little as 20BBs) it makes it difficult to widen my pre-flop range. So many times I'd open with a hand in the bottom of my range and get 3-bet by a short stack, or, most often, miss the flop entirely and be left with the choice of checking and losing the hand this way, or making a pot-committing c-bet and never getting it through.

So it's back to NL4 for the time being. If anyone's still reading then some words of encoragment would certainly be well recieved. I'm feeling pretty annoyed right now. This was my last hand of NL8, after which the villian gave me some sarcasm in the chat box. Uncalled for I think.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
jugglegeek	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£7.88
BB	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£4.99
	Your hole cards	J J
UTG	Raise		£0.16	£0.28	£11.66
CO	Call		£0.16	£0.44	£9.45
BTN	Fold
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.60	£1.04	£7.28
BB	Fold
UTG	Call		£0.48	£1.52	£11.18
CO	Call		£0.48	£2.00	£8.97
Flop
		9 6 10
jugglegeek	Bet		£1.28	£3.28	£6.00
UTG	Call		£1.28	£4.56	£9.90
CO	Fold
Turn
		Q
jugglegeek	Check
UTG	Bet		£2.28	£6.84	£7.62
jugglegeek	All-in		£6.00	£12.84	£0.00
UTG	Call		£3.72	£16.56	£3.90
jugglegeek	Show	J J
UTG	Show	K K
River
		9
gazza369	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 9s	£15.31		£19.21

I had notes that this player has tried to bluff on the river with a missed draw before so I checked the turn to try and induce a bet from a worse hand with the intention of check-shoving with the open-ended straight draw as insurance. Is this just bad?

July totals:
Hands: 5546
P&L: -£13.45
C4P: 268
BBs/100: NL8 -17.32

JSTFLIPPIN

Where did ya get the cash game graph from? I can't use my PT3 for skypoker