Where did ya get the cash game graph from? I can't use my PT3 for skypoker Posted by JSTFLIPPIN
It's a spreadsheet program that I keep up to date. None of the tracking softwear will recognise Sky's hand history format so PT3 will not auto import Sky Poker hands. I use hand history after each session to count how many hands I played. You can set the times from when you started playing and search for hands. The number of hands found will be the number of hands played up to 500. If you played more than 500 these will not be displayed and you need to search a shorter time period. I enter these after each session into a spreadsheet that keep a track of the following: hands played cumulative hands played this month cumulative hands played ever limit (value of BB) P&L for session cumulative P&L for month cumulative P&L ever C4P BB/100 session BB won in session
For BB/100 it's "BB won in session"/("hands played"/100)
The downsides to this are: I can't play two different levels at the same time and the hand history includes hands where I was sat at the table but wasn't dealt cards. So the spreadsheet things I've played about 2-3% more hands than I really have.
I actually find this better than PT3 tracking every hand because it stops me from "chimping" at the graph for the session every orbit or so like I used to do with PT3. This way if I have a session where I break even but had five or six all-in flips the graph takes the average for the session, rather than looking really swingy.
The end to a very frustrating day. Finished -£22.04 after 1700 hands. Even managed to lose £9 at NL4 today. This hand was a good play by me I think was actually my only win over £3 all day. You might say it's easy to play AK at these stakes when there's a 3-bet (just 4-bet and get the money in). But by calling the 3-bet I can see what the rest of the players do before making up my mind. I'm happy to stack off on a ace or kigh high flop and can back raise to pick up more dead money if the short stack shoves and the other two call. This is what happened.
In Response to Re: Jugglegeek's diary. So long NL8, it's been fun. : It's a spreadsheet program that I keep up to date. None of the tracking softwear will recognise Sky's hand history format so PT3 will not auto import Sky Poker hands. I use hand history after each session to count how many hands I played. You can set the times from when you started playing and search for hands. The number of hands found will be the number of hands played up to 500. If you played more than 500 these will not be displayed and you need to search a shorter time period. I enter these after each session into a spreadsheet that keep a track of the following: hands played cumulative hands played this month cumulative hands played ever limit (value of BB) P&L for session cumulative P&L for month cumulative P&L ever C4P BB/100 session BB won in session For BB/100 it's "BB won in session"/("hands played"/100) The downsides to this are: I can't play two different levels at the same time and the hand history includes hands where I was sat at the table but wasn't dealt cards. So the spreadsheet things I've played about 2-3% more hands than I really have. I actually find this better than PT3 tracking every hand because it stops me from "chimping" at the graph for the session every orbit or so like I used to do with PT3. This way if I have a session where I break even but had five or six all-in flips the graph takes the average for the session, rather than looking really swingy. Posted by jugglegeek
Ahh that sounds good haha, bit complicated for me tho
If feels like this diary has stopped being about my approach to microstakes cash poker and simply become a place for me to chronical my downfall. So that when I have lost my starting £100 bankroll I have a fair record of my progress throughout this long journey. Played 400 hands today and lost another £8 ontop of the £40 I lost in total this weekend. So far this month I've lost £31.75 in a combination of NL8 and NL4. NL4 I'm actually up but only 1.5 buy-ins over 5k hands, that's just 3.20BBs/100. I could copy the hands where I lost the £8 this evening but nobody will learn anything. Just that sometimes when you have KK and it's a drawy ten-high flop the villian will have TT, or that when a person calls you down to the river with A4 and just top pair vs your AJ they will sometimes hit a straight. It's all variance and there are a million ways to run bad. Here's one example: With three other players seeing this flop containing both an ace and a king, how does nobody have even enough to call a c-bet. For me this happening again and again is more tilting than getting outdrawn by rags because it affects my game. I start doing stupid things like not betting in these spots and losing value. Or thinking that I have to widen my range and seeing too many flops, or trying to bluff people off hands thinking that "if they see me bluff, then they'll think I'm light next time and call when I have a set".
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
SB
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£2.27
BB
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£2.16
Your hole cards
5
5
UTG
Fold
jugglegeek
Raise
£0.12
£0.18
£4.34
CO
Fold
BTN
Call
£0.12
£0.30
£5.69
SB
Call
£0.10
£0.40
£2.17
BB
Call
£0.08
£0.48
£2.08
Flop
5
A
K
SB
Check
BB
Check
jugglegeek
Bet
£0.36
£0.84
£3.98
BTN
Fold
SB
Fold
BB
Fold
jugglegeek
Muck
jugglegeek
Win
£0.44
£4.42
jugglegeek
Return
£0.36
£0.04
£4.78
I also have a graph now to show my bad patch. Blue line shows my flurray into NL8
I know I said I wouldn't but this happened right after my last post:
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
jugglegeek
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£6.72
BB
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£5.70
Your hole cards
J
A
UTG
Fold
CO
Raise
£0.16
£0.22
£3.44
BTN
Fold
jugglegeek
Call
£0.14
£0.36
£6.58
BB
Call
£0.12
£0.48
£5.58
Flop
10
J
K
jugglegeek
Bet
£0.24
£0.72
£6.34
BB
Call
£0.24
£0.96
£5.34
CO
Fold
Turn
9
jugglegeek
Check
BB
Check
River
4
jugglegeek
Bet
£0.72
£1.68
£5.62
BB
Raise
£3.12
£4.80
£2.22
jugglegeek
All-in
£5.62
£10.42
£0.00
BB
All-in
£2.22
£12.64
£0.00
jugglegeek
Unmatched bet
£1.00
£11.64
£1.00
jugglegeek
Show
J
A
BB
Show
Q
9
BB
Win
Straight Flush to the King
£10.76
£10.76
What do you think? Can I fold here. The honest truth is that I didn't think about what the villian might have. I just saw the A-high flush and wanted to get all the money in. Thinking about it, with the A,K,J and T of clubs accounted for only the queen remains and that would have made a straight on the turn. Surely the turn wouldn't have gone check, check with the villian having a straight and me showing interest on the flop. I'm not folding but I could have just flat called the river. Ah well. Despite this hand I still managed to make 60p in the second session of the evening
Hi mate Sorry you're having a downswing. It'll get better, honest!? Don't see how you could get away from the hand unless you know the "villian" well? If he/she is a usual nl4 player they could have quite alot that you're beating -AQ, Qc with alot of other cards. surprised they didn't bet on turn but this may show they thought you were on flush draw or straight or they're not sure what to do.
I'm sure your swing will go back up, especially if I manage to get back playing!:) good luck
im experiencing the downswing also and its hurting me so i sympathise with you. it can be horrid at times. im trying to battle thru mine but it seems like its going on forever but i guess we take the bad with the good.
as for the last hand you posted, im going broke there as well. got to figure they have Qc but its very unlucky they have the 9 with it. i dont mind how you played it tbh
think we all go through down swings and can really mess with our head and the way we play and sometimes and we prob analise the way we play even when we have done nothing wrong, If the cards dont swing your way it dosnt matter if you the best player in the world its just a case of being unlucky. It will turn for you but you have to be patient mix up games and try new formats.
With the hand above you hold the A of clubs so you can rule out them having the royal and they just flatted the flop and checked the turn so you have to think your ahead there with the nut flush. There was no way of reading they had the Q8 from the way the play went and any club they hold they could be making a move on you so was correct to get your money in i think, how often are you gonna have the nut flush and be up against a st8 flush and the answer to that is very rarely so unless its for a massive amount of money its a no brainer and you just have to bite the bullet on that one.
I hope you run better soon which i know you will gl
Thanks for the support guys. Did some hands this morning and lost £1 after 434 hands. Amazingly I was 3-bet seven times in just this session. If we assume I'm opening 15% of the time (it's probably less TBH) that's 65 hands i've made a PFR so that's 10% 3-bet frequency. Unfortunatly I couldn't really call with any of them and almost all of them were big 3-bets to four times my raise size. I don't really have much experience of being 3-bet frequently so I didn't really know how to handle it. Much of it was by the same player who seemed to showdown only value hands but did have a tendancy to overplay them IMO. He would bet shove TT on an A-high flop for example. Here's a list of the hands I was 3-bet in.
ATs 20p to 84p (2 limpers and on cold call) ATo 12p to 20p (called x/f to pot bet on 8JQ flop) AJo 16p to 64p (1 limper) AJs 16p to 60p (1 limper) QJo 12p to 40p KJs 12p to 48p AQo 16p to 28 (1 limper, called and hero called £1.13 shove on 922 flop)
Looking back I don't think I've done anything wrong folding to these 3-bets, or making the raise in the first place. At some point on my poker journey I'll have to start countering this by calling 3-bets and 4-betting light. I don't think NL4 is the place to do it though.
The last day that I made a proffit was 18/07/12 when I won a buy-in at NL8 after 57 hands and then had to stop playing because someone came over. After a full June of nothing buy winning and 21 BBs/100 average, nine days of constantly losing money has been really hard to take. In reality my downswing has been going on for just short of two weeks. It feels like much longer than that though.
July totals: hands: 9349 P&L: -£33.09 NL4 BB/100: 2.00 total profit since June: £34.65
Today saw something of a comeback for my bankroll. I've played 800 hands and won £22.16 this afternoon. I'd love to say that I won it all from my amazing reading ability and bluffing like a NL4 genius, hero-calling with jack high and running people over with 3-bets. But the truth is I picked up good hands at the right times and was helped by some heroically bad play by my opponents. I had a set over set for the first time in as long as I can remember and on at least two occasions I 3-bet with kings and got it all in on the flop against a smaller pair.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
SB
Small blind
£0.02
£0.02
£3.48
jugglegeek
Big blind
£0.04
£0.06
£4.15
Your hole cards
K
K
UTG
Fold
MP
Call
£0.04
£0.10
£4.02
CO
Fold
BTN
Fold
SB
Raise
£0.14
£0.24
£3.34
jugglegeek
Raise
£0.52
£0.76
£3.63
MP
Fold
SB
Call
£0.40
£1.16
£2.94
Flop
2
10
3
SB
Bet
£0.58
£1.74
£2.36
jugglegeek
All-in
£3.63
£5.37
£0.00
SB
All-in
£2.36
£7.73
£0.00
jugglegeek
Unmatched bet
£0.69
£7.04
£0.69
SB
Show
6
6
jugglegeek
Show
K
K
Turn
7
River
2
jugglegeek
Win
Two Pairs, Kings and 2s
£6.51
£7.20
Feels good to win again after such a long downswing. Just hope it stays this way.
I have decided to stop playing poker. Not because I run bad or because I don't think I'm good enough but because I don't think I have the personality to play it seriously for high stakes.
I'm 27 years old and throughout my life I've embarked upon many hobbies that have turned into obsessions. First was playing the guitar. Between the age of 15 and 18 I think I played guitar for at least two hours each and every day. Then when I went to university to study music production I started juggling and the guitar practice dried up. Until about 2007 all I did was juggle. I became pretty good at it over 3 years and was a well know video maker in the UK juggling scene. Then I stopped juggling having discovered rock climbing. After two years of rock climbing I had a serious fall and durring my rehabilitation began to play about with rubik's cubes. I can still solve a 3x3x3 in around 40 seconds. The fall was a lot less serious than it could have been and I escaped with just a broken wrist and a very sore lower back. But the couple of other times that I had taken a huge risk and not fallen began to play on my mind. I lost all confidence and stopped climbing
Then almost 2 years ago I started playing poker. Winning at poker feels amazing, and one one occasion I won a live tournement at a casino. I felt just as good as when I climbing somthing really difficult and scary, or when I pulled off a hard juggling trick I had been working on for months.
But while I feel good with the highs of poker, the lows are unbearable for me. July and August were particularly bad. One session after another of poor play, running bad, and tilt made me a horrible person to be around. One one occasion I threw my chair across the bedroom. I would often have a losing session and then take it out on my girlfriend when she came home.
Then recently I went climbing again after two years of never having the confidence to even pack my climbing gear into my car. Durring my poker years I have put on at least a stone of extra ballast and lost any strength that I had in my arms and legs so climbing was a real struggle but immensely enjoyable and even though I could hardly climb anything I was happy.
Since 21/08/12 I'd not played a single hand and I hadn't missed it at all. I was pretty much breaking even anyway so my bank account didn't notice any difference either. Then last week I deposited £15 and one-tabled NL10 for an hour. I enjoyed playing there just for fun and not worrying about hand quotas or cash for points and so on. So I think from now on I will simply play poker when I want to, at whatever level I feel I can afford to lose, and when the weather is good I'll go climbing instead.
I may post on the forum from time to time. But I don't expect to be playing 12K hands per month or multi-tabling till my eyes bleed anymore.
What a cracking post. It's good that you can stand back and look at your situation. I'm 53 and took up poker after seeing a bit on sky tv. I've been playing for 15 months and can see that's i've become obsessed about improving and understanding the game theory as i was a maths teacher. However, it can take up so much of your time and i think balance is the key. I like your 'playing for fun' comment and i completely agree. Grinding for me would be torture. Honestly, why bother unless its a source of income for you. I'm starting to feel that i'm paying too much attention to it and not having balance in my life. You talk about winning at a casino. I did the same in my first casino expedition after reading Harringtons book for just over a week! God that was a buzz! I had a bad day yesterday myself. Not loss wise particularly ...just a lack of enjoyment for some reason. I may just be 'pokered' out so i'm having a couple of days off and that may spread to three weeks as off on holiday to Jamaica for some golf and scuba. I personally think you've made a good decision. Look upon it as an experiment. You've not let the grass grow under your feet. You seem to be looking for new experiences. I do and that makes for a contented, balanced life in my book. You are relatively young but will experience trauma in your life and will need something to have as a coping mechanism. Put as many different experiences in your life and you may hit upon something that really gives you a good feeling. Personally, i want to travel now. I'm into photography and do a little bit of painting. Much to my girlfriends chagrin i'm trying to play(terribly) guitar, ukulele and harmonica. At different stages in my life i've been avidly obsessed with football, golf, teaching and for a year now poker.
Ocean village Cruises had a sign painted on its ships saying
"See more, Do more, Be more"
I couldn't put it better myself mate. There's so much more to life than sitting in front of a monitor fella. Have an enjoyable game from time to time with zero stress and the odd live game with a friend in a casino. That sounds great to me. Why not make a list of 'STUFF' you'd like to do/experience in your life. You're never too young to make a plan. I wish you all the best in the future. come back and have a game with us(i rec monday night DTD forum). Its cheap, no stress with good banter too. All the best in the future. I'm sure you've got some great experiences in your life coming to you. Just appreciate them for what they are....cheers....
you are making the right decision if you are not enjoying it m8 plenty of time to come back to it and alot of other things to do i didn't start until just over 3 years ago but don't feel the need to move up any time soon even tho i have the roll. i might enjoy it i might not but until i get the desire to do it why bother. it's a nice hobby to have good luck, hope to see you at the tables
Comments
hands played
cumulative hands played this month
cumulative hands played ever
limit (value of BB)
P&L for session
cumulative P&L for month
cumulative P&L ever
C4P
BB/100 session
BB won in session
For BB/100 it's "BB won in session"/("hands played"/100)
The downsides to this are: I can't play two different levels at the same time and the hand history includes hands where I was sat at the table but wasn't dealt cards. So the spreadsheet things I've played about 2-3% more hands than I really have.
I actually find this better than PT3 tracking every hand because it stops me from "chimping" at the graph for the session every orbit or so like I used to do with PT3. This way if I have a session where I break even but had five or six all-in flips the graph takes the average for the session, rather than looking really swingy.
hands: 6603
P&L: -£17.85
C4P: 304
BB/100: NL8=-17.32 NL4=13.44
July totals:
hands: 8004
P&L: -£31.75
C4P: 339
NL4 BB/100: 3.20
Sorry you're having a downswing. It'll get better, honest!?
Don't see how you could get away from the hand unless you know the "villian" well?
If he/she is a usual nl4 player they could have quite alot that you're beating -AQ, Qc with alot of other cards.
surprised they didn't bet on turn but this may show they thought you were on flush draw or straight or they're not sure what to do.
I'm sure your swing will go back up, especially if I manage to get back playing!:)
good luck
as for the last hand you posted, im going broke there as well. got to figure they have Qc but its very unlucky they have the 9 with it. i dont mind how you played it tbh
With the hand above you hold the A of clubs so you can rule out them having the royal and they just flatted the flop and checked the turn so you have to think your ahead there with the nut flush. There was no way of reading they had the Q8 from the way the play went and any club they hold they could be making a move on you so was correct to get your money in i think, how often are you gonna have the nut flush and be up against a st8 flush and the answer to that is very rarely so unless its for a massive amount of money its a no brainer and you just have to bite the bullet on that one.
I hope you run better soon which i know you will gl
ATs 20p to 84p (2 limpers and on cold call)
ATo 12p to 20p (called x/f to pot bet on 8JQ flop)
AJo 16p to 64p (1 limper)
AJs 16p to 60p (1 limper)
QJo 12p to 40p
KJs 12p to 48p
AQo 16p to 28 (1 limper, called and hero called £1.13 shove on 922 flop)
Looking back I don't think I've done anything wrong folding to these 3-bets, or making the raise in the first place. At some point on my poker journey I'll have to start countering this by calling 3-bets and 4-betting light. I don't think NL4 is the place to do it though.
July totals:
hands: 9349
P&L: -£33.09
NL4 BB/100: 2.00
total profit since June: £34.65
July totals:
hands: 10901
P&L: -£19.41
C4P: 422
NL4 BBs/100: 5.85
I'm 27 years old and throughout my life I've embarked upon many hobbies that have turned into obsessions. First was playing the guitar. Between the age of 15 and 18 I think I played guitar for at least two hours each and every day. Then when I went to university to study music production I started juggling and the guitar practice dried up. Until about 2007 all I did was juggle. I became pretty good at it over 3 years and was a well know video maker in the UK juggling scene. Then I stopped juggling having discovered rock climbing. After two years of rock climbing I had a serious fall and durring my rehabilitation began to play about with rubik's cubes. I can still solve a 3x3x3 in around 40 seconds. The fall was a lot less serious than it could have been and I escaped with just a broken wrist and a very sore lower back. But the couple of other times that I had taken a huge risk and not fallen began to play on my mind. I lost all confidence and stopped climbing
Then almost 2 years ago I started playing poker. Winning at poker feels amazing, and one one occasion I won a live tournement at a casino. I felt just as good as when I climbing somthing really difficult and scary, or when I pulled off a hard juggling trick I had been working on for months.
But while I feel good with the highs of poker, the lows are unbearable for me. July and August were particularly bad. One session after another of poor play, running bad, and tilt made me a horrible person to be around. One one occasion I threw my chair across the bedroom. I would often have a losing session and then take it out on my girlfriend when she came home.
Then recently I went climbing again after two years of never having the confidence to even pack my climbing gear into my car. Durring my poker years I have put on at least a stone of extra ballast and lost any strength that I had in my arms and legs so climbing was a real struggle but immensely enjoyable and even though I could hardly climb anything I was happy.
Since 21/08/12 I'd not played a single hand and I hadn't missed it at all. I was pretty much breaking even anyway so my bank account didn't notice any difference either. Then last week I deposited £15 and one-tabled NL10 for an hour. I enjoyed playing there just for fun and not worrying about hand quotas or cash for points and so on. So I think from now on I will simply play poker when I want to, at whatever level I feel I can afford to lose, and when the weather is good I'll go climbing instead.
I may post on the forum from time to time. But I don't expect to be playing 12K hands per month or multi-tabling till my eyes bleed anymore.
See you around
What a cracking post. It's good that you can stand back and look at your situation. I'm 53 and took up poker after seeing a bit on sky tv. I've been playing for 15 months and can see that's i've become obsessed about improving and understanding the game theory as i was a maths teacher. However, it can take up so much of your time and i think balance is the key. I like your 'playing for fun' comment and i completely agree. Grinding for me would be torture. Honestly, why bother unless its a source of income for you. I'm starting to feel that i'm paying too much attention to it and not having balance in my life.
You talk about winning at a casino. I did the same in my first casino expedition after reading Harringtons book for just over a week! God that was a buzz!
I had a bad day yesterday myself. Not loss wise particularly ...just a lack of enjoyment for some reason. I may just be 'pokered' out so i'm having a couple of days off and that may spread to three weeks as off on holiday to Jamaica for some golf and scuba. I personally think you've made a good decision. Look upon it as an experiment. You've not let the grass grow under your feet. You seem to be looking for new experiences. I do and that makes for a contented, balanced life in my book.
You are relatively young but will experience trauma in your life and will need something to have as a coping mechanism. Put as many different experiences in your life and you may hit upon something that really gives you a good feeling. Personally, i want to travel now. I'm into photography and do a little bit of painting. Much to my girlfriends chagrin i'm trying to play(terribly) guitar, ukulele and harmonica. At different stages in my life i've been avidly obsessed with football, golf, teaching and for a year now poker.
Ocean village Cruises had a sign painted on its ships saying
"See more, Do more, Be more"
I couldn't put it better myself mate. There's so much more to life than sitting in front of a monitor fella. Have an enjoyable game from time to time with zero stress and the odd live game with a friend in a casino. That sounds great to me. Why not make a list of 'STUFF' you'd like to do/experience in your life. You're never too young to make a plan. I wish you all the best in the future. come back and have a game with us(i rec monday night DTD forum). Its cheap, no stress with good banter too.
All the best in the future. I'm sure you've got some great experiences in your life coming to you. Just appreciate them for what they are....cheers....
plenty of time to come back to it and alot of other things to do
i didn't start until just over 3 years ago but don't feel the need to move up any time soon even tho i have the roll. i might enjoy it i might not but until i get the desire to do it why bother.
it's a nice hobby to have
good luck, hope to see you at the tables