I folded AKo to his 40k open at 150/300 with 80bb, and this is why;
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.320% 64.47% 00.85% 1352291878 17843919.50 { AdKs }
Hand 1: 34.680% 33.83% 00.85% 709592683 17843919.50 { random }
I felt at the time it wasn't the correct call, and after checking stove I am happy that the fold was correct. Since his range is genuinely two random cards, I think I have a sufficient edge with the size of my chip stack that it was reckless to risk it all as a 2:1 favourite that early in the tournament.
CTBN's AA vs his AK did nearly all of the damage but he was actually still left with a few thousand, I eliminated him a few hands later when he 3bet all-in with 5s & I had AA. If only it was an online-style bounty hunter, his head prize wouldve been huuuuge lol. Think he'd taken 14 bounties! Posted by goldnballz
Well done Keithy laaaad! You truely were goldenballz when hitting that K, making a better to pair in a massive pot.
Might come down withy's tomorrow, you can get me a few pints in
I folded AKo to his 40k open at 150/300 with 80bb, and this is why; equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 65.320% 64.47% 00.85% 1352291878 17843919.50 { AdKs } Hand 1: 34.680% 33.83% 00.85% 709592683 17843919.50 { random } I felt at the time it wasn't the correct call, and after checking stove I am happy that the fold was correct. Since his range is genuinely two random cards, I think I have a sufficient edge with the size of my chip stack that it was reckless to risk it all as a 2:1 favourite that early in the tournament. Posted by CoxyLboro
I don't see how you or jonjo can fold though. By the way everyone has described this guy's play, none of you have an edge. Even phil ivey wouldn't have an edge on him. The majority of your edge comes post flop, something your never going to be able to use against him if he's just sticking it in pre. I understand you don't want to base your tournament and your edge soley around him, however I think if your on his table you should take advantage of his willingness to donate chips.
In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : Well done Keithy laaaad! You truely were goldenballz when hitting that K, making a better to pair in a massive pot. Might come down withy's tomorrow, you can get me a few pints in Posted by Goosen
Yeah it was a lucky river card! Nice 1 c u down there
I had said guy on my table late on day one and it was how i got chip lead just had to wait for a big hand and be prepared to go all the way with it and hope it holds his luck like that cant last for every. you do want this kind of player on your table just got to except the fact he will win some of the time, and your be gone but there always another day where he be out early lol Posted by BARBIE59
I folded AKo to his 40k open at 150/300 with 80bb, and this is why; equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 65.320% 64.47% 00.85% 1352291878 17843919.50 { AdKs } Hand 1: 34.680% 33.83% 00.85% 709592683 17843919.50 { random } I felt at the time it wasn't the correct call, and after checking stove I am happy that the fold was correct. Since his range is genuinely two random cards, I think I have a sufficient edge with the size of my chip stack that it was reckless to risk it all as a 2:1 favourite that early in the tournament. Posted by CoxyLboro
Well played Coxy, you took me out last hand 1st day, i pushed hoping steve would call and willing to take my chance with A 10 against his range, when u called i knew i was bahind. wp and nice result.
In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : I don't see how you or jonjo can fold though. By the way everyone has described this guy's play, none of you have an edge. Even phil ivey wouldn't have an edge on him. The majority of your edge comes post flop, something your never going to be able to use against him if he's just sticking it in pre. I understand you don't want to base your tournament and your edge soley around him, however I think if your on his table you should take advantage of his willingness to donate chips. Posted by Curt360x27
There are better hands than AKo against two random cards;
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 80.001% 79.70% 00.30% 50152262004 190206810.00 { TT+ }
Hand 1: 19.999% 19.70% 00.30% 12394496376 190206810.00 { random }
AKo has its strengths - playing for stacks against someone who never folds any two cards is not one of them
In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : There are better hands than AKo against two random cards; equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 80.001% 79.70% 00.30% 50152262004 190206810.00 { TT+ } Hand 1: 19.999% 19.70% 00.30% 12394496376 190206810.00 { random } AKo has its strengths - playing for stacks against someone who never folds any two cards is not one of them Posted by CoxyLboro
It's probably unwise to disagree too much with someone as good as Coxy when you're not nearly as experienced/successful as he is.
The point is, say you have AK and call, and the other guy shows up with 56, he's still gonna have about 40% chance of knocking you out the tourney. Why, when you are as deep as 80BB would you wanna take a 40% chance of getting knocked out when you are more than good enough to A) win your chips from other players by playing good poker and perfectly capable of waiting for much better hands than A-high against a guy who calls with any two.
It's probably unwise to disagree too much with someone as good as Coxy when you're not nearly as experienced/successful as he is. The point is, say you have AK and call, and the other guy shows up with 56, he's still gonna have about 40% chance of knocking you out the tourney. Why, when you are as deep as 80BB would you wanna take a 40% chance of getting knocked out when you are more than good enough to A) win your chips from other players by playing good poker and perfectly capable of waiting for much better hands than A-high against a guy who calls with any two. Posted by Lambert180
This
I fold the AK in Coxys spot too we have too many big blinds to gamble here...
It's probably unwise to disagree too much with someone as good as Coxy when you're not nearly as experienced/successful as he is. The point is, say you have AK and call, and the other guy shows up with 56, he's still gonna have about 40% chance of knocking you out the tourney. Why, when you are as deep as 80BB would you wanna take a 40% chance of getting knocked out when you are more than good enough to A) win your chips from other players by playing good poker and perfectly capable of waiting for much better hands than A-high against a guy who calls with any two. Posted by Lambert180
Unfortunately I don't base my disagreements on how experienced/successful someone is. I understand the point and I do not disagree with it. The statement I have highlighted is incorrect. It wasn't meant as a personal attack on the author and I hope he won't treat it as one.
In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : Unfortunately I don't base my disagreements on how experienced/successful someone is. I understand the point and I do not disagree with it. The statement I have highlighted is incorrect. It wasn't meant as a personal attack on the author and I hope he won't treat it as one. Posted by Wilhelm
so you are 600 big blind deep in the first level of the WSOP main event. someone announces all in blind and clearly does not see his cards (ts a known maniac businessman rich gambler) and you have AK os in the BB (everyone else has folded)
so your happy to call here ye? there will be much better spots so its the easiest fold in foldville...
Obviously up to 20-30bbs deep in a standard sky mtt we can snap off without hesitation with AK but u have to take into account the situation and the bigger picture when making a poker decision. Something i think Coxy and then Lambert summarise perfectly!
fwiw i think u meant to say "it is sometimes" in response to Coxy..
In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : so you are 600 big blind deep in the first hand of the WSOP main event. someone announces all in blind and clearly does not see his cards and you have AK os in the BB (everyone else has folded) so your happy to call here ye? Obviously up to 20-30bbs deep in a standard sky mtt we can snap off without hesitation with AK but u have to take into account the situation and the bigger picture when making a poker decision. Something i think Coxy and then Lambert summarise perfectly! Posted by GREGHOGG
I would fold every time but I wouldn't chastise anyone for calling. Before anyone misconstrues that last statement, I'm not saying that I feel anyone has been chastised on this thread. I am merely stating that I would not chastise anyone for getting it in as 60% favourite.
Against a random hand over a large enough sample, I'd take AK. Is that clear enough?
In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : so you are 600 big blind deep in the first level of the WSOP main event. someone announces all in blind and clearly does not see his cards (ts a known maniac businessman rich gambler) and you have AK os in the BB (everyone else has folded) so your happy to call here ye? there will be much better spots so its the easiest fold in foldville... Obviously up to 20-30bbs deep in a standard sky mtt we can snap off without hesitation with AK but u have to take into account the situation and the bigger picture when making a poker decision. Something i think Coxy and then Lambert summarise perfectly! fwiw i think u meant to say "it is sometimes" in response to Coxy.. Posted by GREGHOGG
But if I had said that, I wouldn't have had as much fun in the reulting argument.
In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : It is. Posted by Wilhelm
Definitely in cash, but with a deep stack fairly early in a two day event, I don't agree. I know people's opinions will differ on this matter, but that's poker
Edit: My browser didn't update the thread with all the replies, sorry for the short answer. Will is absolutely correct in one sense - don't judge someone on their prior success/ability, this is a vacuum decision where I define myself as having an X% greater edge over the table, and I felt X > the difference in equity between AKo and a random hand with my chipstack. If you are on a tough table and you feel your X% is less, then having a bigger stack is much better for you so stick it in and hope for a win.
Going off topic a bit................. Coxy was very unlucky when 3 handed. He had aces in the bb and the other 2 folded to him, then got them again and lost a massive pot to andrew when he shoved 78 and hit trip 8's! Live pokers rigged too you see Posted by donkeyplop
Still having nightmares two days later. "Oh, I've got two outs for 2million chips".
In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : Still having nightmares two days later. "Oh, I've got two outs for 2million chips". Posted by CoxyLboro
I was watching the live stream, you took it pretty well!
You would have been massive chip leader if they held but that's poker for you!
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Well done Keithy laaaad! You truely were goldenballz when hitting that K, making a better to pair in a massive pot.
I understand you don't want to base your tournament and your edge soley around him, however I think if your on his table you should take advantage of his willingness to donate chips.
The point is, say you have AK and call, and the other guy shows up with 56, he's still gonna have about 40% chance of knocking you out the tourney. Why, when you are as deep as 80BB would you wanna take a 40% chance of getting knocked out when you are more than good enough to A) win your chips from other players by playing good poker and
I fold the AK in Coxys spot too we have too many big blinds to gamble here...
so your happy to call here ye?
Obviously up to 20-30bbs deep in a standard sky mtt we can snap off without hesitation with AK but u have to take into account the situation and the bigger picture when making a poker decision. Something i think Coxy and then Lambert summarise perfectly!
fwiw i think u meant to say "it is sometimes" in response to Coxy..
Coxy was very unlucky when 3 handed.
He had aces in the bb and the other 2 folded to him, then got them again and lost a massive pot to andrew when he shoved 78 and hit trip 8's!
Live pokers rigged too you see
You would have been massive chip leader if they held but that's poker for you!