If you are checking the flop, I think you should fold to his bet. Also with the pre flop action I wouldn't even raise it pre, as you will have to put so much in to get all of them to fold! But there is always one donkey that come along and you don't have a made hand. So I would just flat behind and keep the pot small even if I do hit. It seems quite early aswell so no need to go crazy yet. Posted by Batkin88
Should be raising 100% time here! I mean if your not popping it up with a hand as big as AK, then what are you raising with?
If you are checking the flop, I think you should fold to his bet. Also with the pre flop action I wouldn't even raise it pre, as you will have to put so much in to get all of them to fold! But there is always one donkey that come along and you don't have a made hand. So I would just flat behind and keep the pot small even if I do hit. It seems quite early aswell so no need to go crazy yet. Posted by Batkin88
The majority of the time we don't have a made hand when we are raising pre.
Yes I am aware of that, lol what are you doing?? Going through my paragraph and reiterating the points I have made. The point which I made is that you are not getting rid of these limp callers pre in a £2.30 BH and AK isn't that strong if you have 2 set mining and the others coming along with any 2. If you miss you have to c-bet to continue showing strength but if a limp caller gets any part of this board there shoving, and this early in a tournament it isn't worth risking your stack with AK. AK is overplayed way too much by cash players in MTT's, it's a good hand but I would rather have 78 suited early in a tournament when the blinds are this small lol AK is a nice shoving hand when blinds are big but not now.
I don't see the point in throwing 20% of your stack in and probably have to fold to most flops. IMO
Yes I am aware of that, lol what are you doing?? Going through my paragraph and reiterating the points I have made. The point which I made is that you are not getting rid of these limp callers pre in a £2.30 BH and AK isn't that strong if you have 2 set mining and the others coming along with any 2. If you miss you have to c-bet to continue showing strength but if a limp caller gets any part of this board there shoving, and this early in a tournament it isn't worth risking your stack with AK. AK is overplayed way too much by cash players in MTT's, it's a good hand but I would rather have 78 suited early in a tournament when the blinds are this small lol AK is a nice shoving hand when blinds are big but not now. I don't see the point in throwing 20% of your stack in and probably have to fold to most flops. IMO Posted by Batkin88
Hi Batkin Some really good points made in your posts especially concerning early stages play. (by the way i'm not a cash player). I thought my raise wa big enough to get the fisherman out of the pot and maybe get me plaing v 1 other whoi would assume had a pocket pair (hence my check on flop which would have been a fold had he bet)or win the pot. So would you have just checked and saw the flop? I didn't honestly expect someone looking for flush draws to call after my raise. That was the way i looked at it and it was obviously wrong. Ta for your help guys. lets just try to keep the debate well-mannered and lacking in angst....after all we have enough of that at the tables!!
Yes I am aware of that, lol what are you doing?? Going through my paragraph and reiterating the points I have made... Posted by Batkin88
I think you and Curt.. are just arguing for the sake of it. Point being it's +EV to flat call with AK here & it's +EV to raise with AK here. So it can be down to preference. Personally prefer to raise here for many reasons I won't delve into, but I wouldn't argue with someone wanting to limp here to reduce variance in the tournament. Obv batkin you play a lower variance style and that is shown through your steady ROI, so thats cool..
Mabye i was wrong that this was a bad beat story, just seemed like one.
What i am saying is yes you probably think you are good most times when u see what turn card, but I dont undersatnd the call on the flop, you say u put him on a pocket pair so ur calling to try and hit a K or A? and even if u do hit he may still already have you crushed (like he does now).
What I am saying about shoving is if you cant find a fold with AK on a flop then you mabye should just shove pre with so many limpers, not that I personally would do it. And its more like 37BB as your playing his stack, not your own.
Dunno though mabye im wrong i hate tornies really!
Mabye i was wrong that this was a bad beat story, just seemed like one. What i am saying is yes you probably think you are good most times when u see what turn card, but I dont undersatnd the call on the flop, you say u put him on a pocket pair so ur calling to try and hit a K or A? and even if u do hit he may still already have you crushed (like he does now). What I am saying about shoving is if you cant find a fold with AK on a flop then you mabye should just shove pre with so many limpers, not that I personally would do it. And its more like 37BB as your playing his stack, not your own. Dunno though mabye im wrong i hate tornies really! Posted by UareLIMPER
Hi fella I appreciate ur reply mate. I think the check on flop was that i had it fixed in my head that he had pocket pair and was going to all-in. I was 'lucky' if you can say that to catch Ace so thought i was then ahead with two pair and top kicker. It was just one of those hands but you can see there's been a variety in people's opinions. If i'd done it right and blotted out his hand , i'm sure some people would have guessed at pocket pairs or maybe AJ+. Bad beat stories are a bit of a bore. I only give them back in return. cheers fella...say hello if we sit at a table together eh?
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Last time I checked raising with AK isnt 'crazy'.
The point which I made is that you are not getting rid of these limp callers pre in a £2.30 BH and AK isn't that strong if you have 2 set mining and the others coming along with any 2. If you miss you have to c-bet to continue showing strength but if a limp caller gets any part of this board there shoving, and this early in a tournament it isn't worth risking your stack with AK.
AK is overplayed way too much by cash players in MTT's, it's a good hand but I would rather have 78 suited early in a tournament when the blinds are this small lol AK is a nice shoving hand when blinds are big but not now.
I don't see the point in throwing 20% of your stack in and probably have to fold to most flops. IMO
Some really good points made in your posts especially concerning early stages play. (by the way i'm not a cash player). I thought my raise wa big enough to get the fisherman out of the pot and maybe get me plaing v 1 other whoi would assume had a pocket pair (hence my check on flop which would have been a fold had he bet)or win the pot. So would you have just checked and saw the flop? I didn't honestly expect someone looking for flush draws to call after my raise. That was the way i looked at it and it was obviously wrong. Ta for your help guys. lets just try to keep the debate well-mannered and lacking in angst....after all we have enough of that at the tables!!
I appreciate ur reply mate. I think the check on flop was that i had it fixed in my head that he had pocket pair and was going to all-in. I was 'lucky' if you can say that to catch Ace so thought i was then ahead with two pair and top kicker. It was just one of those hands but you can see there's been a variety in people's opinions. If i'd done it right and blotted out his hand , i'm sure some people would have guessed at pocket pairs or maybe AJ+. Bad beat stories are a bit of a bore. I only give them back in return. cheers fella...say hello if we sit at a table together eh?