Hi Trev, I have no idea if the new & old systems will run in parallel, though somehow I doubt that. Lets wait & see. If they DO drop the existing system to just run the alternative (as Posted today) remember that initially it will only be for one week, subject to popularity, & also that I'm reasonably sure they could run at least one week of both systems. Bear in mind, though, that the existing system has not proven very popular overall, as evidenced by this Thread. Tough ask to tick everyone's box, in truth, as I'm sure you know. The thing with liquidity is that it is always better to concentrate it rather than dilute it. We shall see. Hope you are well, & that your Orfordable is still going well. See you at the Grand Final - I hope! Posted by Tikay10
Hi Tikay. Thanks for the reply. I am very well thank you.
To be honest, i'm happy to go with the majority anyway. I just wanted to clarify if I had read it and understood it correctly. I also agree that changing things is certainly worth a try. I think it will at least give the lower stakes players a shot at qualifying and also satisfy the players that don't agree with the current 1 in 10 sats.
The Friday Orfordable is still going strong, however, given the time of the year (Holidays etc) like all online tournies, I expect it may take a bit of a stoop over the coming weeks but is to be expected.
For those who think 1/5 makes it easier to qualify than 1/10 heres the maths- Playing 3 x 1/5 tourneys to qualify gives you odds of 1/125 to qualify Playing 2x 1/10 tourneys to qualify gives you odds of 1/100 to qualify. just saying. Posted by Mohican
You appear to be very well informed in these matters.
In Response to Re: SPT sats : Ok, perhaps i shouldn't be so grumpy, Night shifts and getting up to look after two pink money sponges doesn't help me disengage grumpy mode!! Posted by Mohican
No probs Mo. I too have my moments You should get yourself a Rugby Scrum Sled for the garden and give it a good bashing first thing in the morning lol.
In Response to Re: SPT sats : No probs Mo. I too have my moments You should get yourself a Rugby Scrum Sled for the garden and give it a good bashing first thing in the morning lol. Do you still play btw? Posted by POKERTREV
If anythings getting a good bashing first thing in the morning, it aint gonna be a rugby sled!!!!!! I do still play but last season restricted myself to 5ish matches and I cant see this season being any different but if I get the bug again,who knows. Been playing 30 odd years and I'm 40 next month. Might retire gracefully and just play some vets rugby.
In Response to Re: SPT sats : If anythings getting a good bashing first thing in the morning, it aint gonna be a rugby sled!!!!!! I do still play but last season restricted myself to 5ish matches and I cant see this season being any different but if I get the bug again,who knows. Been playing 30 odd years and I'm 40 next month. Might retire gracefully and just play some vets rugby. Posted by Mohican
Ahhhh - Never easy to give something up that you'ved enjoyed for so long. I'm 46 and still reckon I could run rings round some of these little teeny wannabies - well at least for the 1st 5mins lol.
A few other matters raised in the thread..... Direct Buy-Ins. It is likely that Directs will be available from around August 6th. Enough seats for the regulars, the "Community"? Absolutely. If we need to up capacity at the Venue, we can do so easily, they have plenty of caspacity, & we have left the door open to increase if need be. Seats not going fast enough, it will not fill? Whilst not complacent, we currently have no worries on that score. August will be quiet Online (Olympics, School Jollies, Weather), but it wil pick up in the week or 10 days before the Event. On every SPT Grand Final we have ever held, & many of the regular SPT's, demand remains low until near the date, & then everyone wants a seat, & we usually end up having to say "no". "Outsiders" winning or buying Seats via Directs? We have to adrress several criteria with SPT. First & foremost, our loyal regulars & Community Members always get first dibs, but we also need to atteact new players to the Site, & SPT is one of the means used for that. If you agree with all of that, I'll take the credit. If you don't, I'll blame the Suits, or SPT Rich. Seems reasonable, yes? Posted by Tikay10
Hi Tony, well its a start but again, as with theVLV micro structure, it is only aimed at people who are available during the daytime, therefore excluding any small BR player who has a full time job, and i am sure there must be a good number. Is there any chance of introducing atrial of a micro sat each evening after 7pm which feeds into the following nights 1/4 final.
Hi. Busy busy today....... SPT Grand Final Satellite structures . As we speak, a proposed new satellite structure for the SPT Grand Final is being designed, & if approved by the big suit blokes, will be introduced as & from Monday. I will advise before then, as soon as I hear. It will be, sort of, similar to the Viva Las Vegas satellites. Daily micro satellites will feed in to a nightly quarter-final (1 in 5), and that in turn will feed into a weekly (Sunday evening) Semi-Final, with a 1 in 5 structure. That will give us five Semi-Finals, assuming it gets the green light, being Sundays August 5th, 12th, 19th & 26th, & September 2nd. INITIALLY it will be on a trial basis if it goes ahead - probably just next week - but if it works, it'll stay. More when I hear it. Posted by Tikay10
this is why we stick with sky and the community is so great we ask and we are heard. Wd sky for listening once again
I like the VLV system so i think this is probably a good desision.
Not sure if i cant make nottingham so not even tried yet due to serious financial implications of late. However still hoping and if i can qualify for a couple of quid and cant make it ive lost a couple of quid.
In Response to Re: SPT sats : Hi Tony, well its a start but again, as with theVLV micro structure, it is only aimed at people who are available during the daytime, therefore excluding any small BR player who has a full time job, and i am sure there must be a good number. Is there any chance of introducing atrial of a micro sat each evening after 7pm which feeds into the following nights 1/4 final. Posted by pomfrittes
very good point about sats in general - even though i've been known to buy-in direct - I would so much rather have the opportunity to sat in - but evenings only. Maybe late reg will help here if it applies to sats as well, if not I don't see why the Thurs ME should be the only tournament that you get 10pm sats for during the week.
In Response to Re: SPT sats : very good point about sats in general - even though i've been known to buy-in direct - I would so much rather have the opportunity to sat in - but evenings only. Maybe late reg will help here if it applies to sats as well, if not I don't see why the Thurs ME should be the only tournament that you get 10pm sats for during the week. Posted by GELDY
+1 on evening sats.
After 9.30 the mtt's available are minimal, if there was a 'happy hour' of sats for forthcoming events, i.e. Primo, sky roller events, the next evenings main event, the next evening's semi for SPT etc. I would definitely be playing in these.
Sort of a forward thinking plan for setting up the next evening's play.
For those who think 1/5 makes it easier to qualify than 1/10 heres the maths- Playing 3 x 1/5 tourneys to qualify gives you odds of 1/125 to qualify Playing 2x 1/10 tourneys to qualify gives you odds of 1/100 to qualify. just saying. Posted by Mohican
1in5 is easier to qualify than 1in10.
Not talking about what is 'cheaper' to qualify, disregarding the buy in, 1in5 is simply easier to qualify.
In Response to Re: SPT sats : 1in5 is easier to qualify than 1in10. Not talking about what is 'cheaper' to qualify, disregarding the buy in, 1in5 is simply easier to qualify. Posted by pr1nnyraid
Look at the odds if you have to play three tourneys instead of two. It's better odds with 2 sats rather than three. Fact, indesputable,iron clad better odds to play 2 sats rather than 3. As a poker player you should understand that 1/100 is better than 1/125. 1/5 might be 'easier' in a straight comparison vs 1/10 but we're not doing a straight comparison here and the fact still stands that playing 3 sats you are in fact making it harder to qualify odds wise.
In Response to Re: SPT sats : Look at the odds if you have to play three tourneys instead of two. It's better odds with 2 sats rather than three. Fact, indesputable,iron clad better odds to play 2 sats rather than 3. As a poker player you should understand that 1/100 is better than 1/125. 1/5 might be 'easier' in a straight comparison vs 1/10 but we're not doing a straight comparison here and the fact still stands that playing 3 sats you are in fact making it harder to qualify odds wise. Posted by Mohican
MASSIVE oversight on your part here.
Obviously the buy in to the 1st of 3, '1in5' satellites is going to be less than the buy in to the 1st of 2, '1in10' satellites?
Give or take a tiny bit of rake.
I agree that if i could play a million 1in10 & 500,000 1in5 satellites, theoretically i would end up with the same amount of seats. However I am not arguing with the value of the sattelite, i am just saying that a 1in5 gives me a better chance of qualifying in less attempts.
In Response to Re: SPT sats : MASSIVE oversight on your part here. Obviously the buy in to the 1st of 3, ', i am just saying that a 1in5 gives me a better chance of qualifying in less attempts. Posted by pr1nnyraid
It doesn't give you a better chance(1/100 vs 1/125) it just gives you a cheaper option. Cold hard mathmatical facts. Playing 3 sats to qualify is mathmatically worse odds than playing 2 sats, therefore making it harder to qualify. Playing 1/5 will make it cheaper if you start at the bottom step and manage to qualify thru each step.
In Response to Re: SPT sats : It doesn't give you a better chance(1/100 vs 1/125) it just gives you a cheaper option. Cold hard mathmatical facts. Playing 3 sats to qualify is mathmatically worse odds than playing 2 sats, therefore making it harder to qualify. Playing 1/5 will make it cheaper if you start at the bottom step and manage to qualify thru each step. Posted by Mohican
You seem not to be reading the 2nd part of each of my posts. I am not arguing about the odds. I'm arguing about the variance. You can't seem to see past that.
What game has more variance.. a 100 man SNG with 1 place paid, or a 100 man dym with 50 paid (rake excluded). In the long run you would win/lose the same $ amount in theory if you played ebough volume (edges aside). But the point is there is less variance in the latter and therefore it is more appealing from an investment point of view.
Applying the same concept to these satellites, it makes a big difference they are including a 1in5 satellite as i can now limit my variance in qualifying.
IMO the difference between 1/5 and 1/10 is mainly going to be psychological, the 1/5 just seems way more achievable.
also most sats on Sky are usually 1/5 so therefore people are more used to the skills/theory behind them then the 1/10.
the numbers clearly show that there is little difference, but a lot of poker players don't think in that way, hence why the 1/5 looks a way more attractive option.
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Thanks for the reply. I am very well thank you.
To be honest, i'm happy to go with the majority anyway. I just wanted to clarify if I had read it and understood it correctly. I also agree that changing things is certainly worth a try. I think it will at least give the lower stakes players a shot at qualifying and also satisfy the players that don't agree with the current 1 in 10 sats.
The Friday Orfordable is still going strong, however, given the time of the year (Holidays etc) like all online tournies, I expect it may take a bit of a stoop over the coming weeks but is to be expected.
Thanks for your continued support also
Trev
Thanks Trev.
I too have my moments
Do you still play btw?
I do still play but last season restricted myself to 5ish matches and I cant see this season being any different but if I get the bug again,who knows. Been playing 30 odd years and I'm 40 next month. Might retire gracefully and just play some vets rugby.
Hi Tony,
well its a start but again, as with theVLV micro structure, it is only aimed at people who are available during the daytime, therefore excluding any small BR player who has a full time job, and i am sure there must be a good number.
Is there any chance of introducing atrial of a micro sat each evening after 7pm which feeds into the following nights 1/4 final.
Not sure if i cant make nottingham so not even tried yet due to serious financial implications of late. However still hoping and if i can qualify for a couple of quid and cant make it ive lost a couple of quid.
After 9.30 the mtt's available are minimal, if there was a 'happy hour' of sats for forthcoming events, i.e. Primo, sky roller events, the next evenings main event, the next evening's semi for SPT etc. I would definitely be playing in these.
Sort of a forward thinking plan for setting up the next evening's play.
Those last three Posts by Pommy, Geldy, & Darty.....
I thought they were particularly interesting, & well worth some thought, so I sent them upstairs this morning.
I got a snap reply, too, which said this was something they have looked at already, & are considering implementing soon.
Read into that what you will.
Thanks muchly
xx
Not talking about what is 'cheaper' to qualify, disregarding the buy in, 1in5 is simply easier to qualify.
1/5 might be 'easier' in a straight comparison vs 1/10 but we're not doing a straight comparison here and the fact still stands that playing 3 sats you are in fact making it harder to qualify odds wise.
Obviously the buy in to the 1st of 3, '1in5' satellites is going to be less than the buy in to the 1st of 2, '1in10' satellites?
Give or take a tiny bit of rake.
I agree that if i could play a million 1in10 & 500,000 1in5 satellites, theoretically i would end up with the same amount of seats. However I am not arguing with the value of the sattelite, i am just saying that a 1in5 gives me a better chance of qualifying in less attempts.
What game has more variance.. a 100 man SNG with 1 place paid, or a 100 man dym with 50 paid (rake excluded).
In the long run you would win/lose the same $ amount in theory if you played ebough volume (edges aside). But the point is there is less variance in the latter and therefore it is more appealing from an investment point of view.
Applying the same concept to these satellites, it makes a big difference they are including a 1in5 satellite as i can now limit my variance in qualifying.