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Final hand, thoughts on my line? Snap call river yes?
DOHHHHHHH
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1 previous hand with villain from this session, he stacked me.
He opens utg+1, I 3b from sb with 9d9h and he calls.
I lead Kh Kd Jh flop 4 in to 6.90 and he snap makes it 11.
I tank, shove, and he calls.
He has Th7h and gets there.
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From the hand above I decided he must be quite spazzy and reluctant to fold pre flop. So decided to 3b quite big, and check back the flop thinking I'm most likely way ahead but could be miles behind if he's got lucky. Thought checking back would be the best way to get max value the times I'm ahead.
Turn looks a no brainer.
And river is an easy call as played righhht?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| bromley04 | Small blind | £0.15 | £0.15 | £31.77 | |
| xxx | Big blind | £0.30 | £0.45 | £52.62 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| westslay23 | Fold | ||||
| omgffsgfy | Fold | ||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Raise | £1.20 | £1.65 | £38.65 | |
| bromley04 | Fold | ||||
| xxx | Raise | £2.70 | £4.35 | £49.92 | |
| DOHHHHHHH | Raise | £6.30 | £10.65 | £32.35 | |
| xxx | Call | £4.50 | £15.15 | £45.42 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| xxx | Check | ||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Check | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| xxx | Bet | £7.58 | £22.73 | £37.84 | |
| DOHHHHHHH | Call | £7.58 | £30.31 | £24.77 | |
| River | |||||
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| xxx | All-in | £37.84 | £68.15 | £0.00 | |
| DOHHHHHHH | |||||
Comments
but yeah sigh J10 ALL DAY !
This is probs nitty but I'm folding this river bet. I just don;t know what our opponent bets this strongly with that we're beating. Can't see him going this mad with ak on the river, but that's the only hand we beat expect bluffs.. I just think they show a Jack so often if you call. If you did call, I hope you won
I'd call.
Not really, not on this flop - you want oppo to over value their hand rarther than scare em off surely
think on paired flops your checking range can be quite wide
Basically reads we have are he flats 3bet with 1 high vs 9s and gets there on KKj board (making a 10?).
I make it bigger pre, especially as we know he peels light. But I likely fold to the ship.
Donks running good ftw
probabaly but versus this oppo checking is the best option even though it's 4 bet pre imo
oppo is peeling pre light or trapping so why is betting the better option
oppo could also bluff turn
AK/middle pairs + bluffs can exist in hero's range so checking flop and delayed c bet on turn is still a viable route
Should we always bet flop if we 4 bet pre and get peeled, if Dohhhh has AK + bluffs here then if we get called we are always behind, likewise if oppo peels light then AK is still ahead of that range and betting only folds out worse
So while checking seems polarised, likewise betting is too espcially on paired flops
Are paired flops ever good to c bet on with whole range, when your getting called the majority of the time espcially in 3/4 bet pots
Suppose it depends on what our perceived checking range is on the flop, is it always weak or stroung or can we still hold middle range
my thinking maybe a little skewed here but the basiscs in my head are if your WAWB then check
HAND 1:
The peel with 10 7hh oop is questionable but that is an okay flop to c/r Vs Dohhh and he should have taken it down there if dohhhh hadnt shoved 99 back (??), once he c/r to 11 he cant pass the fd. So i'm giving this guy at least a bit of competency even if his pre flop ranges are choppy / wide.
I think c-bet here. Let's him make get it in with 88+ on the flop. It's pretty transparent checking back in a 4b pot like Ncolley says.
I think the K turn is the card that makes this river a fold.. I think villain will be putting you on a range of 1010-AA & AK & any jacks when you check back the flop.
When the K hits the turn i think it is unlikely for him to try and rep AK to make you fold your range, even more so i dont think AK would play like this on the river. Looks to me like he wants you to stack off with AK/ AA. Also given we already established his pre flop range is wide then alot of Jacks do pop up here often.
Don't think this is a call. I'd prefer to pot control on later streets not the flop.
I get the whole, we check back flop to induce / get value from worse. But it's stupid trying to 'under rep' our hand once we 4bet pre, makes no sense and is very transparent.
I'm suprised at some players here who say you sanp fold AA to 1 raise on a 10 7 4 flop in another thread, yet this is a snap call? Can't afford to stack off this easily imo.
Random guess at his exact hand: KK.